Cessna seat track AD

Tom-D said:
If you complied with this inspection on 17 July 2011, when is it due again?
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The way I read the AD it is due no later than 31 July 2012 OR when the aircraft has accumulated 100 hours TIS from the hour data that accompanies the logbook compliance time.

Jim
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kimberlyanne546 said:
I'm off to solo fly now - pretending to park the plane at the DPE's office as a practice for the day that I actually will pick him up if that day ever comes!
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Coup'la things ...

1. Where are you going to post the details of your checkride?

2. My CFI scared the living bejesus out of me :hairraise: when he shut the fuel off unbeknownst to me 3000' AGL over a runway that was 8000 feet long, the week before my checkride. It is a hell of a feeling watching that prop just plain STOP and then be told that the runway was right there and put it down. But it held me in good stead 4000 hours later when the engine came apart over a dirt dragstrip in East Undershirt WY. No problem, just do what you did forty years ago. Sometimes things turn out for the better.

Good luck on your checkride ...


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Dan Thomas said:
Your CFI did WHAT??

Dan
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jason said:
Kim,

I'm sorry, but I have to say this. It sounds like you're about to go up for your checkride soon. At that point, you won't have your CFI with you anymore and you're going to be the one responsible for determining how every event impacts the safety of your flight. It really is time to start thinking critically about things like this and determine just how comfortable you are with them.

CFIs aren't infallible. "Tests" like this can turn deadly. I rank crap like this right up there with instructors who pull the mixture on downwind to see how you handle the engine really quitting. There just isn't any reason to do it...and even if he DID do it, why would he choose to do it that low? He left you absolutely no outs. He could have had you climb to 5000-6000 feet and had you set up for a power on stall and done it there. Then, if you panicked, at least he would have had time to recover. As it turned out, you handled it well...but what if you hadn't? What if you would have grabbed for, and pulled on, the yoke? What do you think his plan was? To overpower you? Are you willing to bet your life on the fact that he could have?

Some may disagree with me. I honestly don't care. There are ways for your CFI to drill Cessna's seat problems into your head without endangering both of your lives. Really, honestly, think about what could have happened and then decide how you feel about what he did to you that day. Don't just assume that, because he is your CFI, he made the right decision. In my opinion that he needlessly bet your life on the fact that you would react correctly and that if you didn't he could get you out of it. I'm not convinced that plan B would have worked.

I really like you and I like what you've brought to our board. I know you're a student and I'm not trying to attack you or beat up on you. I just can't understand why what he did doesn't bother you a little.
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I agree. Completely.

I've threatened to toss out a CFI when he mucked with the settings on my Garmin 430 after pre-flight and during taxi on an IPC without saying anything first (switched to track-up and messed with autoscaling).

A CFI should not intentionally induce an emergency - this ranks right up there with an instructor that would completely kill (as in "turn off") one engine on a multi on takeoff or similar stunts.

Kimberly, getting a pilot's license is really a license to learn. Passing the checkride is just verification that you've learned the basics & have learned enough judgement to fly safely. There are ways a CFI can teach that don't put you and your flight in danger. Reading that story makes me pucker because there is enough risk in flying without intentionally inducing much more risk.
 
kimberlyanne546 said:
Jason,

Sometimes it is hard for me to see that other pilots are actually trying to help me out rather than knit pick and criticize my every move.

Thank you for your concerns, and I don't know if I was "livid" or at least as mad as I should have been.

All I can do now is focus on the checkride (we're doing a full length mock checkride tomorrow). It would of course make no sense to quit now.

I will try my best in the future to make the improvements that both you and other posters have suggested, since I know they were meant as a life saving device and not a lecture.

I'm off to solo fly now - pretending to park the plane at the DPE's office as a practice for the day that I actually will pick him up if that day ever comes!
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I understand. I had an incredibly fortunate and cool (to me) aviation experience recently that I haven't posted about because I didn't want the goon squad to come out. There are choices that I made that I'm sure others wouldn't agree with, but I thought through all of the possible outcomes and made a decision to proceed. It worked out very well for me, and I'm glad that I did it. As a board, and as a community as a whole, we certainly like to nit pick.

I haven't seen you do this...but don't automatically dismiss it because it feels like nit picking. So much of what I know about flying has come from this board. Before I started here I was checked in by saying "with you" and I responded to traffic calls with "looking...". After reading several well reasoned posts about both of those things, I cleaned up my phraseology. The first time I read somebody picking on "with you" I thought it was ridiculous. I'm now a believer. (Attention: This is not an invitation for anybody but Kimberly to turn this thread into a discussion on either of these topics :))

I tried very hard, in that post, not to tell you how I felt about all of it but to, instead, ask you how you feel now (knowing what you now know). Your certificate will be nothing more than a license to learn. I've certainly certainly let some CFIs get away with things that I wouldn't today.

I agree that you're too close to change anything now. But really, truly, stand up for yourself with this guy. If he makes you uncomfortable, tell him so.

Good luck with your checkride! I can't wait to read about it!
 
There is no checkride!

My instructor is very conservative. What I said - if you read it carefully - is that I was sent TODAY to "pretend" I was picking up the DPE.

What exactly does this mean, you ask?

It means he sends ALL his private pilot students - solo - to the airport STS - and to parking at the "Sonoma Jet Center" ramp area. Then he has them shut down the airplane, possibly go inside to get a soda, and return to Petaluma afterwards.

Why?

Because in his mind most students are already super nervous on the day of their checkride. Add to that the fact that they have to fly to another airport which is TOWERED, park the plane, get out, go take the oral in some DPE office, then get in the plane again and get a new ATIS etc. He is trying to "prepare" me for everything I will need to do that day which is unfamiliar. My DPE does NOT come to my location - I will have to fly to his location.

This probably sounds like a big waste of time but I actually like his thinking. Once I have flown this / done this - when I go to do it again I'll think "OK I've done this before, I can do it again, just with a passenger this time."

Sorry to disappoint, I do not know when my checkride will be.

Kimberly
 
Tom, I agree with Weird Jim's answer for when the AD comes due.

Kimberley, I read Jason's comment as when the checkride is completed, he (and the rest of us) cannot wait to hear about it. Your comment suggests there will never be a checkride but I think what you meant is there will indeed be a checkride it just hasn't been scheduled yet.
 
I think it's a great idea to fly to the checkride. Helps shake out the nerves and remind you as you fly there solo -- you're flying there solo. Therefore you can do this.
 
kimberlyanne546 said:
There is no checkride!

What I said - if you read it carefully - is that I was sent TODAY to "pretend" I was picking up the DPE.
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Yes, ma'am, there IS a checkride. It may be tomorrow, it may be next week, or next year, but there IS a checkride.

And yes, I did read it carefully. I knew this was a dress rehearsal. Most of us who instruct out in the boonies will do this as a matter of course. A lot of us combine it with the first short dual X-C to a towered airport where the DE resides and walk in with the student to show them where the knobs are and where the bathroom is. Then the first short solo X-C will retrace that route backwards with the student doing the same things over again.

This kills four birds with one BB. Dual XC. Towered airport (x2). DE location (x2). Solo XC over a known course.

And, most of us know the DE's weight so for planning purposes (since you've done a DOZEN W&B with me, and we know where the line is on the loading graph), for the dual XC I'll shift my weight a little to the DE's weight and you get a shot at doing the checkride W&B in advance.

A good CFI will usually not go out on a single purpose flight without trying to hit at LEAST two or three pins.

I hope you had a good flight today. Hotter than the devil down in the valley. Just for grins, what aircraft are you training in and what was the density altitude at Petaluma when you departed?

Jim


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kimberlyanne546 said:
I do not think a "prevert" needs a photo but I can promise you I adjust my seat each time I fly and it is on the RIGHT side. I fly a 1978 Cessna 152.
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Mike Arman's book states that latches are inboard on all 150s. So, it's right on pilot's side, left on instructor's side.
-- Pete
 
jason said:
Kim,

I'm sorry, but I have to say this. It sounds like you're about to go up for your checkride soon. At that point, you won't have your CFI with you anymore and you're going to be the one responsible for determining how every event impacts the safety of your flight. It really is time to start thinking critically about things like this and determine just how comfortable you are with them.

CFIs aren't infallible. "Tests" like this can turn deadly. I rank crap like this right up there with instructors who pull the mixture on downwind to see how you handle the engine really quitting. There just isn't any reason to do it...and even if he DID do it, why would he choose to do it that low? He left you absolutely no outs. He could have had you climb to 5000-6000 feet and had you set up for a power on stall and done it there. Then, if you panicked, at least he would have had time to recover. As it turned out, you handled it well...but what if you hadn't? What if you would have grabbed for, and pulled on, the yoke? What do you think his plan was? To overpower you? Are you willing to bet your life on the fact that he could have?

Some may disagree with me. I honestly don't care. There are ways for your CFI to drill Cessna's seat problems into your head without endangering both of your lives. Really, honestly, think about what could have happened and then decide how you feel about what he did to you that day. Don't just assume that, because he is your CFI, he made the right decision. In my opinion that he needlessly bet your life on the fact that you would react correctly and that if you didn't he could get you out of it. I'm not convinced that plan B would have worked.

I really like you and I like what you've brought to our board. I know you're a student and I'm not trying to attack you or beat up on you. I just can't understand why what he did doesn't bother you a little.
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Be Wary… Students put a lot of faith in Flight-Instructors. They trust the Instructor's judgment and virtually put their life in the Instructor's hands every time they fly. I learned early, and you should remember, that blind-faith along with a substandard school can be fatal.


Once, when I was a student Pilot, back in the 1970's, while preflighting a spanking new 150 aerobat, I found that the tail section was loose. I could actually move, what seemed like, the entire empennage 3 inches in any direction. Though completely surprised, I was happy I had found it prior to flying. After all, that is exactly why you do a pre-flight inspection. I immediately went inside to tell my Instructor. I found him talking to the owner of the school with some customers standing around. I told them of the discrepancy. Maybe I should have been more discrete (but I was just a kid, for-crying-out-loud). Anyway, either because he was simply embarrassed or because of pure pompousness, the owner laughed at me and said it couldn't be that bad. Then, I felt I was being led by the ear as my Instructor walked me back out to the airplane to inspect the tail section, after-which he told me it wasn't loose and we should fly. Shortly after takeoff, the tail section began to shudder and shift. The 5 minutes it took to circle and land seemed an eternity and I never returned to that school or flew with that Instructor again.
 
Good luck getting the Private done. I highly highly recommend finding another CFI or two after finishing up with this yahoo, and seeing how they behave. I think you're going to find a higher level of professionalism and safety consciousness from someone else.

I had a great Primary instructor. I then flew with a couple of duds, so I did it backward, but you really don't "get" how much variability there is in CFI quality until you've flown with at least three. You'll see.

Meanwhile, good luck and have fun finishing up. You're gettin' close! Then you'll have a license to learn, and grabbing another CFI or two is part of that learning, eventually...
 
jason said:
I haven't seen you do this...but don't automatically dismiss it because it feels like nit picking. So much of what I know about flying has come from this board. Before I started here I was checked in by saying "with you" and I responded to traffic calls with "looking...". After reading several well reasoned posts about both of those things, I cleaned up my phraseology. The first time I read somebody picking on "with you" I thought it was ridiculous. I'm now a believer. (Attention: This is not an invitation for anybody but Kimberly to turn this thread into a discussion on either of these topics :))
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Not going to turn it into a discussion, just wondering if you have a link to the "looking" thread(s). I'm guilty of that one, and wondering... and you already know I don't do "with you"... so I like clean phraseology when things get busy and/or building good phraseology habits, anyway. If you have a link to the "looking" conversations, I haven't found it with a simple search yet.

Thanks.
 
zaitcev said:
Mike Arman's book states that latches are inboard on all 150s. So, it's right on pilot's side, left on instructor's side.
-- Pete
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Unless she is tiny, he still must place his hand under her leg, every time I try to do that I get slapped..
 
I do hope we didn't scare Kimberly off with all our kvetching and grousing. I was sort of looking forward to her description of her check ride -- when she takes it. :yesnod:

Jim
 
weirdjim said:
I do hope we didn't scare Kimberly off with all our kvetching and grousing. I was sort of looking forward to her description of her check ride -- when she takes it. :yesnod:

Jim
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Thanks Jim. I don't think I am scared. I've just been busy lately and also haven't had any progress in the flying department, the last 4 times (and two weekends) we could have flown there has been IFR. I did get in a little solo time each weekend but I need to do that dual flight to see progress (mock checkride, leading to either a sign off or an identification of what to work on next).
 
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