Him not using a paper checklist is not a big deal.
It's a 172 and he's probably got plenty of time in it.
I've read both your threads and you seem to be looking for reasons to be scared off. Maybe decide if this is something you really want to do. I'm not excusing the engine dying if it's a legit maintenance issue, but there are also legitimate reasons it may of happened that have nothing to do with the airworthiness of the plane.
In this case, you are talking a newer G1000 172 with fuel injection. It's very unlikely it's a clunker or unsafe. Probably just had an issue with the fuel injection from the heat.
Hello, I have been up quite a few times so I'm not afraid to go up at all. If you check my previous posts I love to fly and I do it when time and finances permit. This past tuesday I went up twice, one in a Piper Archer 1977 and one in the 2006 Cessna 172 with two different flight instructors. Both instructors taught very different. The first one just recently came out of the Air force and is VERY busy. Our intro flight was rushed but he actually went through everything we needed to know before and after the flight. He did checklists before the flight, (We went over it together and he showed me what to do). He did a final checklist before landing, On the landing checklist he didn't have a it documented but he announced everything he was doing so I would understand what everything meant. I totally trust him I just can't catch him when he is free.
The second flight was rushed, (I understand most intro flights are) There was a brief flight checklist but not a landing checklist. I asked him why did the engine quit when taxiing and he said: "It was because we had the AC on when the plane is at idle" which probably could've been avoided during a final checklist. Finding the right Flight Instructor, (IMO) is critical because they are going to teach you either good or bad habits that will last throughout your flying. It's best I learn good habits now then try to correct messed up ones. So I'm in no rush.
Depends on how he uses the checklist. "Read and do" or "flow and check?" Either way you're using the checklist. Back up your flow with a checklist and you're still accomplishing every item on it. Who's to say that he didn't use his checklist?
No final checklist, not checking anything just announced to tower he was landing. The wind was picking up and it was rather bumpy because it was thunderstorms here in Florida on Tuesday. It went through the entire state.
Neither did mine. And when I learned about weight and balance, I figured out she had also overloaded the 152. Good thing it was winter.
Competency is not determined by the number of people screwing up. This instructor has a basic flaw that would prevent him from passing any FAA pilot checkride. Yes, that's a reason to "bash" him. And if every other CFI did that, too, then they would all be wrong. Except there are some out there who do it adequately or better.
Let's look at something else. He didn't use a checklist because he was rushing ahead of weather. Do you consider that competent ADM? I don't.
That can and has killed people. Even in 172s. As has complacency.
So, what else did that rush cause him to skip? He's already busted on the checklist alone.
I think that was pretty much about it, he was a nice guy and I got a chance to see the Skyway Bridge from up top which was pretty cool:
Does the OP know the difference in checklist usage? He's a prospective student. Would he know about flows and checklists?
From my limited knowledge I would say no, I don't but all of the limited planes I have flown in. The PIC always checked everything before and after while landing. Flaps, 10 degrees, Mixture at full rich..etc
You'd have to ask him. Probably better then trying to speculate on his entire competency based on one fact in evidence.
In the case of my CFI, he was an USAF veteran, test pilot (C-17), and jet instructor before he retired from the Pentagon and bought a flight school. Had I written him off because he didn't go line by line while doing his flow on an intro flight, I'd of missed out on a great instructor. And yes, he did drill checklist usage into me while training.
I have limited knowledge but so far what I have learned I learned from POA, reading and some flights.
How many hours does this instructor have!? is he an old timer or a beginner? does the op even know? How many hours in this type? I'd hate to think how many times I've gotten in the right seat of a shrike with a pilot who flew corsairs in the big war and had probably six-seven thousand hours in shrikes alone, who simply hit the switches , adjusted the throttles, taxied slowly out , letting it warm up a bit, and after using the radio to carefully explain his intentions, hauled azz. I never saw a checklist used. Same with the other high time instructor who used to give me a bi annual. He checked he out in my Stearman which had no check list. I'm going with the fellow who said he doubted there was anything wrong with the airplane and that he would fly it himself. The student even said the CFI was trying to help him beat the weather! The first question I would have asked the instructor was a rundown of his credentials Before I ever flew with him!
This is great advice! something I didn't do. I trusted the company to assign me with someone competent to take me on an intro flight. I asked him how many hours has he flown he told me 600. He has been with the organization for 2 years.
