Canada is Barking Up the Wrong Tree... Again!

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I'm not sure "poor business practice" fully sums this up.
 
The camel's nose got through the tent in Canada. Lets hope it doesn't happen here.
 
KennyFlys said:
You have a very wrong interpretation of the Fair Tax. But, I'll stop there lest this thread be sent to the SZ.
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He's actually dead-on. But you're right: There's no reason to bark up that tree again.
 
Just curious anyone gonna talk about the fairness of what the Canucks are trying to do.
 
KennyFlys said:
I was trying to... As said in the article, visiting pilots paid what was due and no more was stated or demanded. It's pretty bad faith to go back and collect, now. Good luck getting future spending out of those with the greatest ability to do so.
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I agree to an extent sometimes I have had my IT guy in here and he bills me but may forget to bill something minor. If the guy did the work he deserves to get paid. I may advance an expense for a client and forget to bill him for it when the case is over. I'd still like to get paid for the expense. BUT I'm not gona bill it after 5 years have elapsed that is nuts. Frankley I'd tell the Canucks to go pound snow depending upon how much it was. i have no idea how much these taxes are they are talking about.

The Maine tax thing has me more POed that I think is just piggish and greedy.
 
AdamZ said:
I agree to an extent sometimes I have had my IT guy in here and he bills me but may forget to bill something minor. If the guy did the work he deserves to get paid. I may advance an expense for a client and forget to bill him for it when the case is over. I'd still like to get paid for the expense. BUT I'm not gona bill it after 5 years have elapsed that is nuts. Frankley I'd tell the Canucks to go pound snow depending upon how much it was. i have no idea how much these taxes are they are talking about.

The Maine tax thing has me more POed that I think is just piggish and greedy.
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I would do the same. The issue is that NavCanada was not doing what they were supposed to do. They billed the pilots. Now the Canadian government is trying to collect their due. NavCanada is on the hook to pay. They may want to try and get the pilots to pay, but they paid what they were billed for. If NavCanada screwed up than they also have to suck it up cupcake!
 
smigaldi said:
If NavCanada screwed up than they also have to suck it up cupcake!
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True, but I see it more as a lack of communication or understanding between NavCanada, a private company, and the Canada Revenue Agency. It would be as if you were selling a product and didn't realize you were supposed to be collecting taxes on it, then 5 years later the IRS decided to audit you and wondered where their cut was.
 
Everskyward said:
True, but I see it more as a lack of communication or understanding between NavCanada, a private company, and the Canada Revenue Agency. It would be as if you were selling a product and didn't realize you were supposed to be collecting taxes on it, then 5 years later the IRS decided to audit you and wondered where their cut was.
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I see it the same way. In your scenario would you then expect to receive and willingly pay a bill for more money from that company to cover their new found debt?
 
smigaldi said:
In your scenario would you then expect to receive and willingly pay a bill for more money from that company to cover their new found debt?
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I think it depends on the situation. Five years later, heck no, a month or two later, maybe.
 
dmccormack said:
What's the collection procedure?
Canadian Air Force gonna shoot down those "non-paying" aircraft over US Airspace? What?
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They wouldn't even shoot you down over Canadian airspace. We (Canadians) have a nasty habit of coming up with the most outrageous ideas, and the populace as a whole is usually mortified and embarrassed by the faux pas of the bureaucrats, especially where foreigners are involved. Revenue Canada has been known to hound and harass citizens over taxes they think they should have collected years before, to the point that some of these poor people have committed suicide.
Many Canadians admire the more active American citizen, who is unafraid to tell his President or whoever that he thinks government is way off base, and things seem to get sorted out down there a little sooner.
We're also tickled when we read of that Sheriff in Texas who runs the penal colony in the desert, and whose county has very little crime and pretty much no repeat offenders. And the people keep voting for him. We have a strong liberal constituency here that would never tolerate that sort of "human rights abuse." This sort of thinking is what lets worse abuses happen, so now we have criminals with more rights than their victims, and the shrinking middle class supporting the laziest (who won't work) while the rich can afford to hide their profits offshore somehow and pay few taxes. Not all of the rich are devious, of course.
And then we read of the Florida visiting aircraft tax and realize that we aren't the only ones who pull stupid stunts.


Dan
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Dan Thomas said:
They wouldn't even shoot you down over Canadian airspace. We (Canadians) have a nasty habit of coming up with the most outrageous ideas, and the populace as a whole is usually mortified and embarrassed by the faux pas of the bureaucrats, especially where foreigners are involved. Revenue Canada has been known to hound and harass citizens over taxes they think they should have collected years before, to the point that some of these poor people have committed suicide.
Many Canadians admire the more active American citizen, who is unafraid to tell his President or whoever that he thinks government is way off base, and things seem to get sorted out down there a little sooner.
We're also tickled when we read of that Sheriff in Texas who runs the penal colony in the desert, and whose county has very little crime and pretty much no repeat offenders. And the people keep voting for him. We have a strong liberal constituency here that would never tolerate that sort of "human rights abuse." This sort of thinking is what lets worse abuses happen, so now we have criminals with more rights than their victims, and the shrinking middle class supporting the laziest (who won't work) while the rich can afford to hide their profits offshore somehow and pay few taxes. Not all of the rich are devious, of course.
And then we read of the Florida visiting aircraft tax and realize that we aren't the only ones who pull stupid stunts.


Dan
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Our gov't isn't exactly known for being overly hospitable to visiting foreigners either. Take a look at our fingerprinting of visitors, braindead customs officials and etc. Taxing out of country or out of state users of services is really easy, since the people being taxed can't vote you out of office. As an average Maine resident which would you rather see a tax on"wealthy out of state aircraft owners" or a new tax on your own activities?

Also don't Cananda's user fees only cover users of larger aircraft?
 
infotango said:
Also don't Cananda's user fees only cover users of larger aircraft?
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Nope.

BTW one nice Canada tax thing is that it is easy for foreigner to apply for tax refunds on purchases. That is something I do not see offered in the US at all to visitors.

But when the dollar was strong and the Canadian peso was weak I used to travel all the time to Canada, but items that were cheap to begin with, come back tot he US fill out a tax refund form and send it back to Canada, check would come a few weeks later for the sales taxes I had paid.
 
> Our gov't isn't exactly known for being overly hospitable to visiting foreigners
> either. Take a look at our fingerprinting of visitors, braindead customs officials
> and etc.

Or its own citizens. Witness TSA nonsense as well as the fingerprinting we pilots and
aircraft owners are subjected to in order to use those dangerous little airplanes.

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NC should be like any other business, they failed to collect and forward the tax, they are on the hook for it.
PS Dan I think that penal colony in the desert is in Az - and I am all for it; no luxuries, no free ride, they work to grow their own food, they tough it out in the heat like our soldiers in the Iraq desert.
 
infotango said:
Also don't Canada's user fees only cover users of larger aircraft?
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ALL aircraft are subject to user fees. For a typical general aviation aircraft, the fee is Cdn$17 per quarter year--plus tax apparently. That fee is whether you enter the country only once, or every day in that quarter.

There are also terminal ATC fees at many of the major airports which started this year. This fee is $10 per landing/takeoff with an annual maximum of somewhere over $1000.

Airports can have their own landing and parking fees, just as in the US. The NavCanada fees are for ATC funding, basically what we pay a fuel tax for.

Jon
 
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