BRAM ???

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Does anyone know what that abbreviation stands for? I encountered it in a UUA PIREP for LLWS:

MHT UUA /OV MHT FINAL RWY 35/TM 1455/FL006/TP B737/SK OVC006/RM LLWS +/- 8 TO 10 KTS ON FINAL, BRAM
 
Pilawt said:
... the noise the airplane made when it hit the runway? :eek:
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Like back when you were riding in 727s? It seems those things always hit the runway like a ton of bricks.
 
If you google for PIREP BRAM and insist on finding both terms, all of the results are at a place called Bram something or other, or they identify a runway. For example: "RM CAK RWY 1 BRAM" or "RM BRAM-P RWY 6". So that seems to match up. But I didn't find any official source for the abbreviations to use.
 
ORder 7340.2J is probably where it should be defined, however it only has BRAP, BRAF, BRAN, and BRAG (Poor, Fair, Nil, and Good).
 
Call 1800-WXBrief and ask there if it's in the metar, **OR** use the translation function now used on most sites.
 
There seems to be a disconnect between certain FAA publications as to whether the term should be "fair" or "medium"
 
Bill Jennings said:
Like back when you were riding in 727s? It seems those things always hit the runway like a ton of bricks.
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I remember decades ago riding LH from FRA to NEU reading in the LH magazine that some of their pilots prefer a firmer touchdown on landing for better control. That 727 hit the runway HARD. Frustrated carrier pilot wannabe?
 
Fair was changed to medium three years ago when TALPA standards were introduced. Anything still using the term Fair is out of date.
 
danhagan said:
Call 1800-WXBrief and ask there if it's in the metar, **OR** use the translation function now used on most sites.
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It wasn't in a METAR, it was in a PIREP. I think @jordane93 gave the most likely answer, Braking Action Medium. Then again, maybe it was Minimal instead of Medium. That's a good reason NOT to use nonstandard abbreviations...

Are there any sites that do automatic PIREP decoding? A quick Google search didn't turn up anything.
 
midwestpa24 said:
Fair was changed to medium three years ago when TALPA standards were introduced. Anything still using the term Fair is out of date.
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Ah, okay. I must have missed that change. Then if it's standard now, hopefully sites that give abbreviations will convert to the new standard.
 
midwestpa24 said:
Fair was changed to medium three years ago when TALPA standards were introduced. Anything still using the term Fair is out of date.
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Oh great. :rolleyes:

So now it's "medium" weather instead of fair weather?
And "medium share of taxes" (someone needs to tell Liz).
medium catch?
medium enough?
a medium shake?
laissez medium?
medium trade coffee?
...
 
midwestpa24 said:
Fair was changed to medium three years ago when TALPA standards were introduced. Anything still using the term Fair is out of date.
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Is it officially MEDIUM or MODERATE? The latter sounds more FAAese.
 
midwestpa24 said:
Fair was changed to medium three years ago when TALPA standards were introduced. Anything still using the term Fair is out of date.
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7340.2J needs updating then. I'll submit a comment.
 
Yes, braking action is now Good, Medium, Poor, and Nil. You’ll also now see RCC codes. Instead of Mu readings, you’ll now get Runway Condition Codes by the airport operators from a scale of 5 to 1 for each 1/3 of the runway.
 
Good afternoon Mr. Natalie-


Thank you for bringing the need to update the subject order to our attention, correcting the runway condition from braking action fair (BRAF) to braking action medium (BRAM). You should expect to see the change in the next update to the FAA Order 7340.2J, scheduled January 30, 2020.


We appreciate you time,


Kerryaine Yarber
Policy Assurance, AJV-P13
 
Jmcmanna said:
You’ll also now see RCC codes. Instead of Mu readings, you’ll now get Runway Condition Codes by the airport operators from a scale of 5 to 1 for each 1/3 of the runway.
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...and unless you fly Boeing/Airbus products, a Condition Code of 5 can result in exactly the same stopping distance as a code of 3.

...and there’s nothing in most of our airplanes’ documentation that in any way, shape, or form makes those RCCs relevant.

...and the most common contamination I’ve seen (something sanded) is not addressed at all, even though the Alaska Airlines data that seems to form a primary basis for this does.

:mad::mad::mad:
 
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