Been diagnosed with ADHD

mirbill22

mirbill22

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Ever since I was little iv always wanted to be a private pilot but I was diagnosed with ADHD in middle school and was prescribed Concerta but iv haven't taken it since the 1st semester of college but then i heard that adhd disqualify me. I was going to go after my PPL after i got a decent job in few years but since a have ADHD does that mean i shouldn't try? despite the fact i can fly in simulators just fine.
 
First, forget the simulator stuff.

You can get your PPL if you don't actually have ADHD (which most don't), but it's going to cost you some $$


Talk to this guy.

http://www.aeromedicaldoc.com
 
what are the chances of the FAA repealing the class 3 medical for private pilots?
 
James331 said:
If they find your knowingly lied on an application, I'd say pretty good, they get ****y over such transgressions.
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Its a option but not the only option and keep in mind its 2 to 3 years ahead of me it may change. I can still get my LSA and if that fails i always have simulators, FPV (maybe) and rc planes.
 
mirbill22 said:
Its a option but not the only option and keep in mind its 2 to 3 years ahead of me it may change. I can still get my LSA and if that fails i always have simulators, FPV (maybe) and rc planes.
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They are working on the 3rd class, lots of topics on that.

I'd say talk to Dr. Bruce on that link I posted, if that sounds like a no go, or more than you want to bite off, go get your LSA and wait out the 3rd class medical thing.

Seems to me you got options, but CLEARLY BSing a medical seems like a crap option.
 
Lying on the FAA form isn't an option for me since being prosecuted for perjury would end my professional career.

As to the Op. send Dr. Bruce an email. Tell him what's going on and be honest.
Then you will have to go see a HIMS Pysch and they will put you through 8 hours of testing to see if you have it or not and how severe it is if you do have it.
you are looking to spend around $2500 for all of this.
 
midcap said:
Lying on the FAA form isn't an option for me since being prosecuted for perjury would end my professional career.

As to the Op. send Dr. Bruce an email. Tell him what's going on and be honest.
Then you will have to go see a HIMS Pysch and they will put you through 8 hours of testing to see if you have it or not and how severe it is if you do have it.
you are looking to spend around $2500 for all of this.
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If it is severe and they tell me my chances are shot can i still get my LSA and see if they end up the medical 3 rules?
 
mirbill22 said:
If it is severe and they tell me my chances are shot can i still get my LSA and see if they end up the medical 3 rules?
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Just don't start a formal medical application, if you're denied a medical you're screwed, what I'd want is a consult.

That said with power come responsibility, even if you have a drivers license and have never been denied a FAA medical, if you don't think you can safely pilot a aircraft, you need to self ground, I know it's obvious, self preservation and all, but had to say it, I'd also think this will become quite clear when you start your LSA flight training
 
Were you diagnosed by a professional, or just your family Doc who gave you meds to make your parents or teachers happy?
 
mirbill22 said:
If it is severe and they tell me my chances are shot can i still get my LSA and see if they end up the medical 3 rules?
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Not sure about that...but did you ever go to a psych and get screened? Or did the Doc just put you on meds because your parents or school wanted you to be on meds?
 
mirbill22 said:
If it is severe and they tell me my chances are shot can i still get my LSA and see if they end up the medical 3 rules?
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If you apply for a medical and fail, you are out of luck for LSA.

If you get the testing done first, then you can make an informed decision about attempting a medical or sticking to LSA.

The new third class rules as specified by congress require you to get a medical before you can fly with a medical. And, since there is now a federal regulation that takes an act of Congress to change (not just FAA rules) further reform will never happen.
 
midcap said:
Not sure about that...but did you ever go to a psych and get screened? Or did the Doc just put you on meds because your parents or school wanted you to be on meds?
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got screened by a psych iv always been in remedial classes up in till the last year of high school
 
Go LSA, find a experienced CFI and see if you have the attention for it.
 
Please don't respond to anonymous trolls. You are only giving them the attention they want. Numerous posts were deleted from this thread.
 
Art VanDelay said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again - probably 60 to 65% of current airline pilots would test positive for ADHD if they answered honestly to most of the current tests for this.
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Another reason to fly your own plane.
 
mirbill22 said:
If it is severe and they tell me my chances are shot can i still get my LSA and see if they end up the medical 3 rules?
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Contact Dr. Bruce Chien at the link provided above.
If you really want your license, I suggest you take his advice. If what he tells you sounds like too much trouble or costs too much then make your decision based on that. But if you do decide to proceed with his advice:

1. Do not lie to him.
2. Do not argue with him. He knows what he is doing.
3. Do exactly what he says.

Others have not followed that advice and regretted it.

Dr. Bruce is "da man".
 
They aren't going to "end" the 3rd class medical in a way that will help you any time soon. As it stands the pending regulation require that YOU must have at least one medical issued before you can avail yourself of the new system.
 
flyingron said:
They aren't going to "end" the 3rd class medical in a way that will help you any time soon. As it stands the pending regulation require that YOU must have at least one medical issued before you can avail yourself of the new system.
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There may actually be a small sliver of hope, albeit .000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance that the FAA may issue the rules regarding the PBOR2 that a diagnosis of ADD may be classified differently than it is now. I highly doubt it is....but you never know.
 
There is ZERO chance that the requirement to have passed at least a third class medical in the preceding ten years is going to be removed. THE LAW MANDATES IT and the FAA doesn't have the discretion to change it and even if they wanted to, they wouldn't do it in the direct to final course the current law is on.

His only chance to fly things that currently require a medical is to pass the medical at least once. He needs a good AME (as mentioned) if he wants to this. Actually, if he went through all of college without the meds, there's probably a pretty good chance he WILL be issuable.
 
flyingron said:
There is ZERO chance that the requirement to have passed at least a third class medical in the preceding ten years is going to be removed. THE LAW MANDATES IT and the FAA doesn't have the discretion to change it and even if they wanted to, they wouldn't do it in the direct to final course the current law is on.

His only chance to fly things that currently require a medical is to pass the medical at least once. He needs a good AME (as mentioned) if he wants to this. Actually, if he went through all of college without the meds, there's probably a pretty good chance he WILL be issuable.
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I was talking about how the FAA views mental illnesses..not if he is going to need a 3rd class or not, which he still needs a 3rd class medical.
 
flyingron said:
There is ZERO chance that the requirement to have passed at least a third class medical in the preceding ten years is going to be removed. THE LAW MANDATES IT and the FAA doesn't have the discretion to change it and even if they wanted to, they wouldn't do it in the direct to final course the current law is on.

His only chance to fly things that currently require a medical is to pass the medical at least once. He needs a good AME (as mentioned) if he wants to this. Actually, if he went through all of college without the meds, there's probably a pretty good chance he WILL be issuable.
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The college has no records about that so i can lie about that
 
mirbill22 said:
The college has no records about that so i can lie about that
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Forget what I said, take up golf, I believe you lack the mental capacity to operate a aircraft.


You said you're just going after your PPL, like flying just for yourself, not making a career out of it, you could avoid the whole thing going LSA and be able to do 85% of what MOST PPL holders do, yet you want to lie to the Feds and open yourself to that can of worms, the only person who would make that decision is a moron, sorry, but yeah, there really isn't a nice way of saying it.


-out


And I'd wonder if the good doc would even be interested in your case after they post.
 
James331 said:
Forget what I said, take up golf, I believe you lack the mental capacity to operate a aircraft.


You said you're just going after your PPL, like flying just for yourself, not making a career out of it, you could avoid the whole thing going LSA and be able to do 85% of what MOST PPL holders do, yet you want to lie to the Feds and open yourself to that can of worms, the only person who would make that decision is a moron, sorry, but yeah, there really isn't a nice way of saying it.


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And I'd wonder if the good doc would even be interested in your case after they post.
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Alright fine im in the wrong ill talk to this guy and ill be honest.
 
mirbill22 said:
I really appreciate you guy's help. Made me a bit happier. Sorry if i sounded bratty.
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I get it...it's annoying to have to jump through all the hoops because of some drug you took years ago for a condition that you may or may not have in which a lot of pilots DO have but just never were diagnosed.

Now you get to experience what bureaucracy and red tape means first hand.
 
Man.... I'd just stick LSA. Why test the waters?
 
Unit74 said:
Man.... I'd just stick LSA. Why test the waters?
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I could but there's a lot of restrictions. and for me it kind of the principle that I have to accept less because of my disability, and i already got enough of that from the public school system.
 
Whatever you do, do NOT close the door on the LSA option. If you want to go down the Medical road, get GOOD advice from a VERY knowledgeable AMEblike Dr Bruce. Make 110% sure you can pass the medical before you apply. A failure is about a 95% sure thing that you will never get a medical.
 
Greg Bockelman said:
Whatever you do, do NOT close the door on the LSA option. If you want to go down the Medical road, get GOOD advice from a VERY knowledgeable AMEblike Dr Bruce. Make 110% sure you can pass the medical before you apply. A failure is about a 95% sure thing that you will never get a medical.
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Or ever be able to fly LSA
 
mirbill22 said:
The college has no records about that so i can lie about that
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Let's start a conversation real quick about the privileges a Private certificate grants you.

If you earn one, the FAA says you may not only take your own life into your own hands, but the lives of passengers. You can legally fly a number of aircraft where you can carry quite a few passengers, none of whom know your medical background.

In other words, as Pilot in Command of an aircraft, those folks have to trust you with their lives.

For whatever other good and bad the FAA does, they do take the whole "other people's lives" thing very seriously. They're not in the business of handing out privileges to someone who they have any reason to believe could harm someone else.

Therefore... Do NOT lie about medical conditions to the FAA. It's bad advice here and anywhere else you'll find it.

If, and usually more often WHEN, they find out, realize that it shows them that you're not responsible enough to entrust other's lives to.

Fair enough?

This... is why someone like Bruce will not let you lie to him and why FAA will be VERY harsh on you if/when they find out.

Just don't do it. Don't even get into that mindset. It's not right. Your future passengers deserve better.

Even in the glider and LSA options you have the ability to harm at least one other individual. Take a moment and think about how cool it is that someone might trust you to take them aloft, and then realize it's serious business.

Jumping off the soap box now, but consider that perhaps your first lesson -- you're training to be PIC of a passenger carrying aircraft if you're seeking a pilot certificate. Not just to bomb around by yourself. Think like the Pilot in Command.

Posting that you'll lie to the FAA about a medical issue, or heeding such advice, is a really bad start. Just don't go there.
 
mirbill22 said:
I could but there's a lot of restrictions. and for me it kind of the principle that I have to accept less because of my disability, and i already got enough of that from the public school system.
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"disability"? You mean the ADHD diagnosis, or is there something else?

Either you have ADHD or you don't (I think there is a scale). You have a diagnosis that may or may not be legit. If you are referring to this as your disability, then it MAY be legit. Otherwise, you can pursue the path of getting that diagnosis overturned. But, there is always the possibility it won't be overturned. Think about it before you rule out gliders and light sport options.
 
Matthew said:
"disability"? You mean the ADHD diagnosis, or is there something else?

Either you have ADHD or you don't (I think there is a scale). You have a diagnosis that may or may not be legit. If you are referring to this as your disability, then it MAY be legit. Otherwise, you can pursue the path of getting that diagnosis overturned. But, there is always the possibility it won't be overturned. Think about it before you rule out gliders and light sport options.
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realistically I think thats whats going to happen I dont want to waste Dr. Bruce or the faa's time for something i already know.
 
Matthew said:
"disability"? You mean the ADHD diagnosis, or is there something else?

Either you have ADHD or you don't (I think there is a scale). You have a diagnosis that may or may not be legit. If you are referring to this as your disability, then it MAY be legit. Otherwise, you can pursue the path of getting that diagnosis overturned. But, there is always the possibility it won't be overturned. Think about it before you rule out gliders and light sport options.
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Just to clarify: a denial rules out light sport, it does not rule out gliders.
 
azure said:
Just to clarify: a denial rules out light sport, it does not rule out gliders.
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Thanks. I was referring to the OPs comment that he was ruling out light sport because it didn't fit with the way he wanted to fly. And that is a legitimate reason.

As for wasting FAA's time: you won't be dealing with FAA until you know you are capable of getting that medical. And wasting an AMEs time only happens if you aren't open and honest - billing takes care of compensating for his/her time. You seem sure that diagnosis is correct, the only time wasted would be your own.
 
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