Basic Med and logbook

[Half Fast]

There is. Sort of / mostly. Chances are this is good enough for a ramp check. If not, I’ve got a copy of the full size 2 page Basic Med in my flight bag.

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That’s not the CMEC. It’s just proof of course completion. You’re required to have the completed and signed CMEC in your logbook.

 

[WDD]

Yes. Which is what I said. IMHO it probably would suffice. In case it doesn’t, I’ve got the full size copy of the doctor / exam portion in my bag. Besides, in addition to the medical portion don’t you have to also show you’re current with the education?

I suppose I could go to Kinkos and get a micro copy that would legally meet the requirement but be unreadable without a magnifying glass.

A puzzle. Not legally required to carry a log book. But Basic Med needs to be in log book and be presentable.

 

[Lindberg]

Yes. Which is what I said. IMHO it probably would suffice. In case it doesn’t, I’ve got the full size copy of the doctor / exam portion in my bag. Besides, in addition to the medical portion don’t you have to also show you’re current with the education?

I suppose I could go to Kinkos and get a micro copy that would legally meet the requirement but be unreadable without a magnifying glass.

A puzzle. Not legally required to carry a log book. But Basic Med needs to be in log book and be presentable.

It's only a puzzle when people make up additional requirements. This has already been posted:

https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/f...rmen_certification/basic_med/basicmed_faq.pdf

Q22: What documentation do I need to keep?

A: You only need to keep the original or a legible copy of your Comprehensive Medical Examination Checklist (all pages) and your medical education course completion certificate. You must store these in your logbook; you can store them electronically in any format, as long as you can produce an accurate and legible representation of these documents at the request of the FAA. You don’t have to carry either of these documents in any form while flying under BasicMed.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Yes. Which is what I said. IMHO it probably would suffice. In case it doesn’t, I’ve got the full size copy in my bag.

I think his point is, suffice for what? Here's the regulatory requirement:

The pilot has available in his or her logbook—

(i) The completed medical examination checklist required under §68.7 of this chapter; and

(ii) The certificate of course completion required under §61.23(c)(3).​

There's no requirement to have either with you for a ramp check, unless you carry your logbook with you. And if you do, you need both.

LEO: "Let me see your license and registration."
Driver: "Here's my registration. That should suffice."

BTW, I think the practical reality is that, like logbooks themselves, the only time the FAA is likely request to see them is if you were being investigated for some regulatory deviation.

 

[WDD]

Nice clarification. I was thinking that you had to carry the docs with you - that was not correct.

 

[ateamer]

With everything being online, there is no longer much reason why we have to carry our pilot and medical certificates, and have the registration in the plane. Or reg and insurance cards in the vehicle.

 

[dbahn]

Nice clarification. I was thinking that you had to carry the docs with you - that was not correct.

Q22: What documentation do I need to keep?

A: You only need to keep the original or a legible copy of your Comprehensive Medical Examination Checklist (all pages) and your medical education course completion certificate. You must store these in your logbook; you can store them electronically in any format, as long as you can produce an accurate and legible representation of these documents at the request of the FAA. You don’t have to carry either of these documents in any form while flying under BasicMed.

What I posted initially was just a simple and reliable way to comply with the FAA requirement (if you choose to do so) without carrying five sheets of paper around with your logbook. Realistically, if the FAA requests your logbook you will likely have the opportunity to retrieve your Basic Med documentation (as long as you can find it) without the FAA following you to see if they're kept together. (Yikes! Heaven forbid . . . )

But to Mark's comment above, this is only likely to occur if you are already under some kind of scrutiny by the FAA. I've always felt that if (more likely when) that happens it's to your advantage to be in compliance in as many ways as you possibly can to avoid a step-up in the FAA's actions against you. Some inspectors have been known to be very tough on the airman with a clear anti-authority attitude. As one inspector told me, "It's like waving a red flag in front of a bull". Why take that risk when compliance is so simple?

 

[midlifeflyer]

But to Mark's comment above, this is only likely to occur if you are already under some kind of scrutiny by the FAA. I've always felt that if (more likely when) that happens it's to your advantage to be in compliance in as many ways as you possibly can to avoid a step-up in the FAA's actions against you

I had a conversation with an ASI a few years ago. He told me that when they do an investigation of a pilot deviation, they often find others. Sometimes related, sometimes not.

 

[dbahn]

I had a conversation with an ASI a few years ago. He told me that when they do an investigation of a pilot deviation, they often find others. Sometimes related, sometimes not.

. . .and I think if they look hard enough, they're bound to find something. The best strategy is to have them find themselves bored when they start looking.

 

[midlifeflyer]

. . .and I think if they look hard enough, they're bound to find something. The best strategy is to have them find themselves bored when they start looking.

In the ones I know they didn't have to look very hard.

 

[flyingron]

LEO: "Let me see your license and registration."
Driver: "Here's my registration. That should suffice."

They don't ask for registrations in the two states around here anymore. The LEO has looked up the plate before he even gets out of the car. He knows if it is valid, if it is for the car he's looking at, if the owner has a valid license, insurance, a criminal record, and a concealed carry permit. He'll ask for the license to confirm that the person he's talking about is the one he just read about.

 

[WDD]

I think in this case “Leo” is referring to the FAA ramp checker.