Aviation... and DWI right at the beginning of my journey.

Nope. You need a medical first before you can go on basicmed. If you already have a medical you'll lose it when you notify the FAA of your DWI.


The medical application asks about any drug use within the past two years. Making a false statement on this form is a felony. Just sayin'.


Hmmm... unrelated to the OP's question, but I wonder what happens when a pilot with no medical (a Sport Pilot or other pilot flying as PP) reports a DWI? If there's no medical to revoke, to they revoke the pilot certificate instead?
I already have a medical, and am getting basicMed done right now before I notify the FAA, and I haven't even gotten my bloodresults or any info on my court date or actually literally anything. Driver's License isnt suspended either. As for that drug use question, I 'm not sure what you mean. I don't do drugs, and they usually are talking about drugs other than alcohol I want to say. Gonna have to gamble, but I'll speak to my doctor and see what he thinks at my BasicMed appt. tomorrow morning.
 
Let's be clear about one thing - being a pilot and drinking are not incompatible, btu they are hard to coordinate. If you're flying or driving, you're not drinking alcohol in any form.
I agree. But I will not drink until this is resolved or I have my career haha
 
You need a good lawyer yesterday. If you can find one who also knows pilot stuff, that would be great. If you're in NTX, DM me for a recommendation.

Everyone else needs to chill out because you seem to have the right attitude and be doing the right things. But some are hammers and only see nails.
Thanks for offering, like, the only positive attitude in this thread. I have a list of lawyers I'll be contacting as soon as I'm able to get my BAC results back and see what my bondsperson says about a court date and some other questions I've gotta ask. I'll DM you, as I am in North Texas. I appreciate you.
 
Hmmm . . ..

So, I'm not supporting drunk-driving, or refusing to cooperate with reasonable requests by authorities. I understand that both driving and flying are privileges extended by the state (state meaning both levels of government) . . ..

And I'm not offering an opinion as to whether or not any person's actions were reasonable, or being accurately reported.

But, in the United States, a person's natural right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures is enshrined in our most significant foundational document.

I know that we agree to surrender certain rights to the government when we request driving or flying privileges. And I don't doubt that the state or federal DOT can enforce the agreements we make.

But to me, there would have to be some supporting evidence to not consider a blood draw to be an unreasonable seizure. (As in enough to warrant a court order.)

Jack - Whose opinions, like an old S&H Green Stamp, have a cash value of 1/1000 of one cent.
Right? Doesn't something about the government (johnson county law enforcement in this case) NOT HAVING BREATHALYZING as an option and HAVING TO draw blood to determine BAC rub anyone the wrong way? You need my blood? So damn weird.
 
It was a long time before I realized we are being silly thinking "I'll be ok with one drink" before driving - or teasing the 'drink to fly' window.

I quit my social drinking, and evening wine drinking about 2 years ago (since I started flying people around) and I gotta say it's a relief.
I no longer have to worry about those flashing lights in the mirror ending my aviating.

These weekly stories of dui vs aviation medical add to my conviction.
It's a word that needs to be delivered to all aviation hopefuls somehow.
You're totally right. Removing that type of anxiety in my life is what I wish I pursued exactly one week ago when I was arrested. So unfortunate, truly.
 
Designated drivers and Uber/Lyft also exist. If drinking, don't drive. If driving, don't drink. But at 23, the OP's executive brain function isn't even fully developed.
Hey sorry to reply to this with an irrelevant comment, but your profile is private and I can't DM you to inquire about NTX lawyers.
 
So to the OP- if you're willing to volunteer what your Blood Alcohol was I can tell you what's ahead. But if you're not....I can't help you.....and that bit about are you abstinent - it's going to matter. You're going to get randomed. They can do that, and they do. Some more than once. And if you're positive you're into a multi year expensive path back, e.g no beginning your journey and a lot of requriements "for quite some time".

HIMS AME
So I haven't gotten them back, but allow me to explain why I'm nearly certain it's below 1.5
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A month or two prior to all this, my friend who is in the police academy required two people to come to his academy and, in essence, get drunk on the city's dime for a DUI training the department has them conduct with the people who volunteer. My friend and I drank on completely empty stomachs, I chose bourbon (my preference...) and it was definitely a little over a shots worth [1.5oz] per drink as you'll see described below. Heres how it went.

One drink (again more than a shot) > 1 hr passes > one drink > 1 hr passes > food provided (burgers, chips and hotdogs) > one more drink. We were breathalyzed at every stage, and I was never above 1.3 or 1.4 (this was a while back but I'm certain it wasn't over 1.5).

Now consider that more time passed after I drank at this little jazz club lounge with my lady friend and that I ate before and after and drank water like I do as a healthy active man aware of how well I should be hydrating in general as well as when drinking, and that's why I'm pretty sure I'm solid in that regard. But then again, this is a BLOOD alcohol test and not a breathalyzer... What do you think? I'm 5'8", 167lbs, and around 16-18% bodyfat and pretty well built after 4 years of weight training, 3+ years boxing, and genetically big legs and low calf inserts which in turn create an avenue of displacing my blood alcohol content in theory since from what my alcohol serving classes told me, muscle is better at cushioning it than fat. My cardio is also really good, so I hypothetically should have "more" blood, in turn further displacing the potential reading from a blood test. Any thoughts yall?
 
u already did in the forum
I don't have any problems with marijuana, I don't smoke. If someone has a problem with me having smoked when I was a teen, I don't know why I should be so scared about being honest and open if that's what you're implying. I put that behind me, learned how to control myself as someone who is a little ADHD and used it to self medicate.
 
The problem is that if they breathalize you, then it's up to them to maintain and defend the accuracy of the equipment in court. There's bee sporadic challenges to that in various locations. If they draw blood, then that goes to a hospital or other accredited lab and it shifts the burden to them. Medical labs are a bit harder to challenge the technology on, not being a "black box" like the Intoxillizer.
 
I already have a medical, and am getting basicMed done right now before I notify the FAA, and I haven't even gotten my bloodresults or any info on my court date or actually literally anything. Driver's License isnt suspended either. As for that drug use question, I 'm not sure what you mean. I don't do drugs
It doesn't matter. You have a medical now, so you can do basicmed. But as soon as you notify the FAA of your DWI, they'll revoke your medical, which means you can't use basicmed any more either.

As for drugs, you said:
...marijuana, which I already ceased usage MONTHS prior to any of this.
So you did smoke? If it's less than 24 months prior, you have or had to answer "yes" to the question about drug use, and you get denied. Or you answer "no", which is a felony. Now, I'm sure more than a few pilots have falsely answered that question and gotten away with it... but once you're in HIMS for drinking, you're under their microscope. And if you ever mentioned marijuana usage to a doctor, it's in you medical records, and when the FAA sees that tidbit, you'll be in HIMS for that as well. It may not be fair or reasonable, but they set the rules you have to play by or you don't play at all.
 
I don't have any problems with marijuana, I don't smoke. If someone has a problem with me having smoked when I was a teen, I don't know why I should be so scared about being honest and open if that's what you're implying. I put that behind me, learned how to control myself as someone who is a little ADHD and used it to self medicate.
I’m saying not implying that the faa is draconian and rigid in the hims ame protocol I’m suggesting u fully research the options to if possible avoid a multi year delay and thousand of extra dollars. i don’t know all the rules but if i were in your shoes i would consult with dr bruce.
 
So I haven't gotten them back, but allow me to explain why I'm nearly certain it's below 1.5
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A month or two prior to all this, my friend who is in the police academy required two people to come to his academy and, in essence, get drunk on the city's dime for a DUI training the department has them conduct with the people who volunteer. My friend and I drank on completely empty stomachs, I chose bourbon (my preference...) and it was definitely a little over a shots worth [1.5oz] per drink as you'll see described below. Heres how it went.

One drink (again more than a shot) > 1 hr passes > one drink > 1 hr passes > food provided (burgers, chips and hotdogs) > one more drink. We were breathalyzed at every stage, and I was never above 1.3 or 1.4 (this was a while back but I'm certain it wasn't over 1.5).

Now consider that more time passed after I drank at this little jazz club lounge with my lady friend and that I ate before and after and drank water like I do as a healthy active man aware of how well I should be hydrating in general as well as when drinking, and that's why I'm pretty sure I'm solid in that regard. But then again, this is a BLOOD alcohol test and not a breathalyzer... What do you think? I'm 5'8", 167lbs, and around 16-18% bodyfat and pretty well built after 4 years of weight training, 3+ years boxing, and genetically big legs and low calf inserts which in turn create an avenue of displacing my blood alcohol content in theory since from what my alcohol serving classes told me, muscle is better at cushioning it than fat. My cardio is also really good, so I hypothetically should have "more" blood, in turn further displacing the potential reading from a blood test. Any thoughts yall?
Drink math is pretty simple. One drink raises your BAC .02%. Your body metabolizes alcohol at .02% per hour.
 
I already have a medical, and am getting basicMed done right now before I notify the FAA,
Why? Basic Med will go away/become inactive the moment they revoke your existing active medical.
 
I already have a medical, and am getting basicMed done right now before I notify the FAA, and I haven't even gotten my bloodresults or any info on my court date or actually literally anything. Driver's License isnt suspended either. As for that drug use question, I 'm not sure what you mean. I don't do drugs, and they usually are talking about drugs other than alcohol I want to say. Gonna have to gamble, but I'll speak to my doctor and see what he thinks at my BasicMed appt. tomorrow morning.
Existing Basic Med pilot/CFI with recent DUI here. 40+ years pilot (civilian & military) and CFI. Years of military & civilian medicals. Past special issuance medicals (nothing to do with alcohol/DUI).

Sorry, but to be clear you can't do Basic Med until you've held a medical certificate first. Unfortunately you'll have to endure the medical certificate (Part 67) process before you could be eligible for Basic Med.

If I've read your thread here correctly, if you already have a medical application in MedExpress, if that application is denied you won't be eligible for Sport Pilot either. Not good news I'm afraid. But you're young, and all is not lost.

Basic Med and Sport Pilot are not "get out of jail" cards either. Look up CFR section 61.53 sometime. I'm currently proceeding cautiously as I consider my future under Basic Med (ref. CFR sections 68.9 and 68.11). I empathize.

Don't give up. You're young and have time ahead to sort things out. Path could be difficult and expensive. But if you really want it you can find a way.
 
Existing Basic Med pilot/CFI with recent DUI here. 40+ years pilot (civilian & military) and CFI. Years of military & civilian medicals. Past special issuance medicals (nothing to do with alcohol/DUI).

Sorry, but to be clear you can't do Basic Med until you've held a medical certificate first. Unfortunately you'll have to endure the medical certificate (Part 67) process before you could be eligible for Basic Med.

If I've read your thread here correctly, if you already have a medical application in MedExpress, if that application is denied you won't be eligible for Sport Pilot either. Not good news I'm afraid. But you're young, and all is not lost.

Basic Med and Sport Pilot are not "get out of jail" cards either. Look up CFR section 61.53 sometime. I'm currently proceeding cautiously as I consider my future under Basic Med (ref. CFR sections 68.9 and 68.11). I empathize.

Don't give up. You're young and have time ahead to sort things out. Path could be difficult and expensive. But if you really want it you can find a way.
He wrote "I already have a medical..."

Of course, he could still be grounded under 61.53.
 
He wrote "I already have a medical..."

Of course, he could still be grounded under 61.53.
He will be, not “could”.

And one more time - A Basic Med is not legal if you currently have a revoked / denied medical. You can’t get one, and if you have one it goes away.

Even if his current FAA medical had expired (and is thus non revokable) he has to wait 2 years from his substance abuse DUI date to be eligible for Basic Med.
 
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He will be, not “could”.

And one more time - A Basic Med is not legal if you currently have a revoked / denied medical. You can’t get one, and if you have one it goes away.

Even if his current FAA medical had expired (and is thus non revokable) he has to wait 2 years from his substance abuse DUI date to be eligible for Basic Med.
61.53 doesn't ground him from flying under basic med. I'm not sure it does even from flying on his third class, since a single DUi under .15 wouldn't disqualify him. Do you have examples of the FAA revoking a third class for a single DUI under .15?
 
I don't have any problems with marijuana, I don't smoke. If someone has a problem with me having smoked when I was a teen, I don't know why I should be so scared about being honest and open if that's what you're implying. I put that behind me, learned how to control myself as someone who is a little ADHD and used it to self medicate.
If the medical gets cleared up. Come checkride time you need to learn to stop talking.
 
61.53 doesn't ground him from flying under basic med. I'm not sure it does even from flying on his third class, since a single DUi under .15 wouldn't disqualify him. Do you have examples of the FAA revoking a third class for a single DUI under .15?
Substance abuse grounds him under Basic Med rules.
If you are flying under Basic Med, you don’t need to report it to the Security Division. Substance dependance for holders of Basic Med is handled via Federal Aviation Regulation Part 67 “substance dependance within the previous two (2) years.” In this case, a Special Issuance is required before a Basic Med can be obtained.

When we find out what his blood alcohol level was we can revisit the question of 3rd class revoke.

I do see where he had three bourbons at dinner. Seems like a lot, but again let’s see what the lab says.
 
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When we find out what his blood alcohol level is we can revisit the question.

I do see where he had three bourbons at dinner. Seems like a lot, but again let’s see what the lab says.
An average male would have a BAC around .08 after three bourbons in an hour. It's even possible that his BAC was lower than that, but due to a reduced tolerance, he failed the FST or otherwise appeared to be intoxicated. For all we know, he doesn't have his BAC results because they were below the legal limit, and the prosecutor is preparing to dismiss the case.

So was your prior statement conditioned on him having a BAC over 0.15?
 
For all we know, he doesn't have his BAC results because they were below the legal limit, and the prosecutor is preparing to dismiss the case.
Hopefully he’ll post up that results are. But your optimistic scenario would things simpler for his legal issues.

But the FAA cares that he got issued the DUI, not if he got convicted.
 
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Right? Doesn't something about the government (johnson county law enforcement in this case) NOT HAVING BREATHALYZING as an option and HAVING TO draw blood to determine BAC rub anyone the wrong way? You need my blood? So damn weird.
Oh, Johnson county. Good luck with that bunch of yahoos. I had to deal with those bozos with a civil matter. Since they knew the person I was attempting to have charges pressed against (hot check) they did their best to send me from one office to the next at the courthouse there in Cleburne.
 
Hopefully he’ll post up that results are. But your optimistic scenario would things simpler for his legal issues.

But the FAA cares that he got issued the DUI, not if he got convicted.
They do care what his BAC was. And they also care why charges get dismissed. Believe it or not, they do look at the facts of the case. Depending on the facts of this case, it might be an AME issues. But lacking those facts, you've already decided he's ineligible for basic med and the FAA will revoke his medical.
 
I already have a medical, and am getting basicMed done right now before I notify the FAA, and I haven't even gotten my bloodresults or any info on my court date or actually literally anything. Driver's License isnt suspended either. As for that drug use question, I 'm not sure what you mean. I don't do drugs, and they usually are talking about drugs other than alcohol I want to say. Gonna have to gamble, but I'll speak to my doctor and see what he thinks at my BasicMed appt. tomorrow morning.
Once you notify the FAA, they're going to revoke your medical, which will also revoke any existing BasicMed and your eligibility to obtain BasicMed. Getting BasicMed before reporting will not change this. I wouldn't waste your time with BasicMed at this point. You're going to have to come at it with a fresh medical, and this is going to be a bit of a process.

ExtremeA79 said:
I put that behind me, learned how to control myself as someone who is a little ADHD and used it to self medicate.
Oh boy, this is getting more interesting the deeper it gets.

This is something that is talked about repeatedly by Dr Bruce @bbchien (the use/abuse of substances to self medicate an underlying mental disorder). ADHD is something else the FAA is going to look at, and it will come out when you have to go for the substance abuse psych evaluation. If you think this is something you're going to be able to hide from a psychiatric professional...

I HIGHLY suggest you come to terms with the fact that you don't make the rules here. If you want to regain your medical certificate, you're going to have to stop trying to find ways to manipulate the outcome in your favor, accept the rules of the issuing authority, and decide that you're going to play by their rules. Otherwise, as Dr Bruce would say, you're going to end up taking the bus.

You need to get any and all relevant paperwork together for EVERYTHING you have ever been diagnosed with before you ever consult with a HIMS AME, and yes...that means any and all prior ADHD diagnosis and treatment paperwork. So your new case is going to be HIMS for BOTH alcohol AND your ADHD.

Now for everyone else...the phrase "REFUSAL TO BLOW" is a slang phrase. The correct phrase is "refusing a chemical test". The chemical test is done once you have been arrested, taken into custody, and transported to the police station. This test can be either breath, blood, or urine.

Some counties only do blood or urine testing, which must be sent to a lab to obtain results of said tests. This takes time, and the results have not yet been received by the requesting authorities, so the OP does not yet have them. The OP submitted to the chemical test that was required by the arresting authority. He did not refuse said chemical test, so he is covered.

The FAA cannot decide that it will only recognize a breath test. An attorney would see right through this nonsense and easily get it thrown out.
 
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“The FAA cannot decide that it will only recognize a breath test. An attorney would see right through this nonsense and easily get it thrown out.”

But that’s what they do pretty regularly. Lawyer is gonna do what? Maybe something in front of the ntsb in a few YEARS…. They just ignore lawyers. I got LOTS of proof of that happening.

And most of the best AMEs have given up on not accepting the unacceptable, understandably them being docs and not lawyers.

So what you mean to say is just accept their illegal practices to get your medical. Now at least it makes sense. Calling what they do legal, reasonable, makes the world safer, etc., just doesn’t hold water.
 
I HIGHLY suggest you come to terms with the fact that you don't make the rules here. If you want to regain your medical certificate, you're going to have to stop trying to find ways to manipulate the outcome in your favor, accept the rules of the issuing authority, and decide that you're going to play by their rules. Otherwise, as Dr Bruce would say, you're going to end up taking the bus.
Just a couple thoughts:

There are 2 different reports to the FAA. OP should read these carefully and get professional counsel as appropriate. Midwest Flyer has a nice write-up here.

The first, 14 C.F.R. § 61.15(e) (Details here) which seems to apply to all pilots (with any certificate type or medical type) whether active or not: "requires all Part 61 certificate holders to send a written report to the FAA within 60 calendar days of any drug- and/or alcohol-related MVA". MVA is defined in this section and is not the same as your states definition.

I have seen that this is not required under BasicMed though I can't find it in the regulation, Anybody have a citation?

This report is not automatically required based on an arrest and it can possibly be required twice based on some interim actions the enforcers take. (it applies after convictions but also some other actions like any suspensions) Read and understand it well.

This report goes to the agency's Security and Hazardous Materials Safety Office, Regulatory Investigations Division and may result in action against the Pilot certificates, not the medical. That said, they also usually send notification to FAA's medical who can and usually do take action against a current medical. If a medical is not required, is expired, or otherwise not actionable not much can be done though they might do something not in the regulations anyways.

If you have a class 3 AND BasicMed they can withdraw your Class 3 medical and BasicMed is invalid. This process is very slow and I know people who didn't get a letter for over a year, a Class 3 may expire.

The second report is when you apply for a new medical, It is a reportable event. If you don't apply, then it is N/A and your medical expires. Most would argue you know at that point you no longer meet the requirement for the class 3 without an SI and must ground yourself. There is no regulatory requirement for a report here, though many do to get the SI process rolling. Unless you want it to just expire.

As far as BasicMed, as WDD posted: "Substance dependence within the previous two years, as defined in 14 C.F.R. § 67.307(a)(4)" is disqualifying. First, this is a 2-year rule so it's possible to wait it out.

Note well: The FAA's definition of "dependance" is quite different than what your real doc might use in determining your suitability to fly.

As mentioned, if this applies, read these regulations carefully and get professional counsel as appropriate. You want a real lawyer to manage the DUI and an Aviation Lawyer and an AME to manage the FAA stuff. It's a regulatory morass and what's useful in the courtroom might be a mine-field in the other. Posts on POA are interesting, but you likely want a pro to help.
 
“The FAA cannot decide that it will only recognize a breath test. An attorney would see right through this nonsense and easily get it thrown out.”

But that’s what they do pretty regularly. Lawyer is gonna do what? Maybe something in front of the ntsb in a few YEARS…. They just ignore lawyers. I got LOTS of proof of that happening.

And most of the best AMEs have given up on not accepting the unacceptable, understandably them being docs and not lawyers.

So what you mean to say is just accept their illegal practices to get your medical. Now at least it makes sense. Calling what they do legal, reasonable, makes the world safer, etc., just doesn’t hold water.
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
 
QUOTE=jbarass]"requires all Part 61 certificate holders to send a written report to the FAA within 60 calendar days of any drug- and/or alcohol-related MVA".[/QUOTE]

Medical certificates are issued under Part 67. Pilot certificates are issued under Part 61. So this only applies to pilot certificate holders. OP never mentioned whether they hold a student pilot certificate yet or not.
 
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Any man who would take the liberty of another into his own care is bound to become a tyrant.

Any man who would yield his liberty, no matter how slight the measure, is bound to become a slave.
 
“The FAA cannot decide that it will only recognize a breath test. An attorney would see right through this nonsense and easily get it thrown out.”

But that’s what they do pretty regularly. Lawyer is gonna do what? Maybe something in front of the ntsb in a few YEARS…. They just ignore lawyers. I got LOTS of proof of that happening.

And most of the best AMEs have given up on not accepting the unacceptable, understandably them being docs and not lawyers.

So what you mean to say is just accept their illegal practices to get your medical. Now at least it makes sense. Calling what they do legal, reasonable, makes the world safer, etc., just doesn’t hold water.
I 100% get it and am on your side 100%.

However...this is one of those "how do we go about this" scenarios.

We know the FAA's practices are illegal. However, their practices are under heavy guard by every HIMS AME and HIMS Psychiatrist that's lining their pockets with the HIMS Program. They're like their own little cartel. And from the form letters I've received back from my congress critters, it appears that Congress doesn't seem to care. And we know damn sure the airman digging his feet in and saying "This is so unnecessary" is just going to land him in more hot water.

The airman says "I'm not an alcoholic" and he's immediately considered to be "In denial". And the beauty of denial is that you cannot disprove its existence.

If you're submitting complaints about the HIMS program, you're not at peace. If you're not at peace, you're not in recovery. It's a complete catch 22.

So what do we do? What's going to get the attention of someone in higher place of authority to get the ball rolling and make the necessary changes?

We just sat and watched as the FAA made a gross misinterpretation of Section 801 of the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2024 and now thinks they can issue instant denials of medical certificate applications if the applicant doesn't send in all required documentation (but they can never tell us what documentation is required in the first place). The NTSB Safety Summit looked promising, and yet the FAA, once again, is going completely backwards from what has been suggested since the Alaskan Airlines incident. And no one is stepping up to the plate to put them in check.

So what do we do?
 
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I’m trying via congress on three fronts.

Involved in a bunch of lawsuits.

Been collecting contacts, info, consulting and leading an underground/grass roots effort for YEARS.

Just took a non flying job, just in case.

I’m VERY serious about fixing these problems.
 
Most would argue you know at that point you no longer meet the requirement for the class 3 without an SI and must ground yourself.
On what basis would most argue that a single arrest for DUI with the stated facts means you no longer meet the requirements of a class 3 medical?
As far as BasicMed, as WDD posted: "Substance dependence within the previous two years, as defined in 14 C.F.R. § 67.307(a)(4)" is disqualifying. First, this is a 2-year rule so it's possible to wait it out.
How does a single DUI arrest with the stated facts meet the FAR definition of substance dependence?
 
On what basis would most argue that a single arrest for DUI with the stated facts means you no longer meet the requirements of a class 3 medical?

How does a single DUI arrest with the stated facts meet the FAR definition of substance dependence?
It doesn’t. But since 2020, the agency has been nabbing medicals on even a first DUI (they didn’t used to).
 
It’s really curious how some people define substance dependence. I watched a judge handle the case of a university student who was in court for a minor in possession ticket - he was at a dorm party that got busted. Literally no other conduct mentioned in the report other than he was holding a cup of beer. Honors STEM student, clean adult and juvenile criminal record, clean DMV history, no record of prior contacts with the campus or city police.

The judge told him, in front of a crowded courtroom, that he is an alcoholic and needs treatment. The judge went on to say that alcohlism is defined as alcohol negatively impacting your life. Since the kid was in court, he therefore fulfilled the definition of an alcoholic and was publicly branded such.

Same judge who a couple weeks earlier had, in open court, mocked a young LDS (aka Mormon) prosecutor handling another minor in possession case, who mentioned that she’d never had a drink. He said that he was in violation of that law every weekend on college.

Hopefully the mentioned lawsuits re the FAA won’t go to a judge like him.
 
It’s really curious how some people define substance dependence. I watched a judge handle the case of a university student who was in court for a minor in possession ticket - he was at a dorm party that got busted. Literally no other conduct mentioned in the report other than he was holding a cup of beer. Honors STEM student, clean adult and juvenile criminal record, clean DMV history, no record of prior contacts with the campus or city police.

The judge told him, in front of a crowded courtroom, that he is an alcoholic and needs treatment. The judge went on to say that alcohlism is defined as alcohol negatively impacting your life. Since the kid was in court, he therefore fulfilled the definition of an alcoholic and was publicly branded such.

Same judge who a couple weeks earlier had, in open court, mocked a young LDS (aka Mormon) prosecutor handling another minor in possession case, who mentioned that she’d never had a drink. He said that he was in violation of that law every weekend on college.

Hopefully the mentioned lawsuits re the FAA won’t go to a judge like him.
What the FAA did was cherry-pick 4 of the 9 criteria of substance dependence from the Diagnostic and Statistics Manual of Mental Disorders Version III (DSM-III), and removed the time and pattern requirement (back then, you had to exhibit at least 3 of the 9 criteria within the same 12 month period to receive a clinical diagnosis of substance dependence). So if you have ever in your life experienced any one of the four cherry-picked criteria, you’re substance dependent in the eyes of the FAA.
 
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