What a concept!
are victor airways assignments common?
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That's what makes some of the complaints funny. Even entering every bend fix manually, it would be less effort in the long run than twisting 2 VORs to identify intersections...
... Along with programming them into the gps anyway.
NoHeat
Final Approach
When VORs are decommissioned in large numbers, what will happen to the victor airways?
Bill Watson
En-Route
So, does the orphaned 480 have WAAS? I assume not.
That's perhaps the biggest shift in avionics... no panel mount anything will ever be able to keep up with non-certified portables.
What is this VOR thing you speak of.........
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amen
You assume WRONG. The 480 was certified with WAAS before GARMIN even bought out UPSAT and certainly well before they got the upgrades for the 430 / 530 approved.
Frankly, given the abominations I had with both pre-sales support and with customer support on thing like my Garmin Audio Panel, I'm really disinclined to giving the Garmin monopoly any more money.
Bill Watson
En-Route
It really was ahead of its time.
If Garmin's SL30/40 is UPSAT stuff it makes even more sense. Nice equipment that.
I already opted out of Garmin for the most part, but that's easy on the experimental side. Though I do have a G430W for WAAS smarts (almost mandatory) and an SL30 because a good alternative was scarce at the time. Oh and a 327 because I'm required to have cert box there (was that UPSAT too?). But I have 3 GRT MFD/PFDs and a PS audio panel and a Navworx ADSB.
My sense is that it takes big bucks to put leading edge products out there for the small GA market. Garmin has those bucks and a resulting monopoly. The experimental stuff is very cool but just barely able to keep up functionally but at a much lower price point. That suggests that real competition would be a real boon for consumers but may be out of reach given the small size of our heavily regulated market.
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A few have already been deleted, at least in part, because of the decommissioning of several VORs in the east. Q and T routes have been enacted in such cases. There is quite of bit of that going on now.
azure
Final Approach
I'm pretty sure they are, the SL-30 anyway -- my plane came with one of those too. Very nice as well.
petrolero
Pattern Altitude
I have been assigned a V airway as part of a departure procedure. Take a look at the PIKES SIX out of Denver (PIKES6.PUB to be specific). It is coincident with V389 between ADANE and PUB. Sometimes, instead of issuing the DP they give me "radar vectors ADANE V389 PUB then as filed".
I file the same altitude every time, which is above the published DP MEAs so I don't really know why they issue it one way vs the other at different times. I suspect it has to do with the fact that the DP has a lost comm procedure that involves overflying DEN vor and they don't want to include that part on that day for some reason. But then sometimes they do. :shrug:
I don't think I've been cleared on an airway in any other situation so far but I'm sure I will at some point. Probably if I filed for a lower altitude in an area with a higher OROCA.
EDIT: I just remembered I got cleared on an airway one other time because I filed the airway to avoid a MOA I think. I am /G so once I got to a Center controller during the DP he cleared me direct destination.
I file the same altitude every time, which is above the published DP MEAs so I don't really know why they issue it one way vs the other at different times. I suspect it has to do with the fact that the DP has a lost comm procedure that involves overflying DEN vor and they don't want to include that part on that day for some reason. But then sometimes they do. :shrug:
I don't think I've been cleared on an airway in any other situation so far but I'm sure I will at some point. Probably if I filed for a lower altitude in an area with a higher OROCA.
EDIT: I just remembered I got cleared on an airway one other time because I filed the airway to avoid a MOA I think. I am /G so once I got to a Center controller during the DP he cleared me direct destination.
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flyingcheesehead
Taxi to Parking
That's actually why Garmin bought UPSAT - They were having trouble getting WAAS to work on the 430/530, so they bought the already-certified 480 and used some of the tech from it to get the 430W/530W done.
Yes it is (SL30/40 are UPSAT-designed equipment), and yes it is (nice stuff).
Nope - 327 was in-house Garmin. UPSAT's transponder was the SL70.
The GMX-200 MFD started life as the UPS MX-20 as well.
flyingcheesehead
Taxi to Parking
Out west, you can be on an airway and still not on radar because of the mountains...
Airways only guarantee nav coverage above the MEA, not radar coverage. However, they do make it fairly easy for ATC to determine where you are and how big a space to keep clear around you even when you're not on radar.