Approved ADS-B with anonymous while 1200?

Without an anonymous mode, there are crowd sourced ADS-B receiver networks that will track and broadcast your location whether you told the FAA to block it or not.

What happens when you think you skirted around the edge or under a class B shelf and the ADS-B says you didn’t? No more number to call. Just a letter saying you have to pay the price. Even if you’re in the right, good luck proving it.

I prefer as few options as possible for people to know where I am. Firmly in the need anonymous mode camp.
 
Groundpounder said:
I doubt any petty criminals are smart enough to use ads-b tracking in conjunction with the faa database, but it’s easy to get your n number blocked if that really is a worry. And regarding the government following you, I assume you don’t own a cell phone, right? Cause if you did, they could track you down anywhere. And don’t drive on the road, cause there are enough cameras out there that they can track you like that too. Oh and especially don’t use the internet.....oh wait, too late! They’re on to you, run!!!
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So really instead of fighting those things you mentioned and finding good countermeasures, we should just give in and hand over our 4th amendment rights on a silver platter to the crown?

If our forefathers had that same mindeset we’d all still be subjects of the crown and not American citizens.
 
I also plan to go to the fly-in that @SixPapaCharlie is putting on. Just like him, I'm using a long dentist appointment as my excuse to get out of work. I don't want my boss tracking me, because then I have to explain to him that it's a specialist in Wisconsin or something. I'm not good at coming up with excuses under pressure.
 
Stewartb said:
The FAA has an address you can use to register for ADS-B blocking. The FAA will see your info but it won't be shared publicly.
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Doesn’t work against private receiver networks like FlightAware’s and the other crowdsourced ones.

The only way that works is if the network were properly encrypted, or the devices switch the code sent to something anonymous, or rotate it, and only FAA has the mapping information between code sent and N-number.

Neither of which is going to happen because government rarely pays attention to the unintended consequences of their bad network design.

As someone pointed out in another thread, even figuring out who the “DotCom” aircraft are is easy, once you catch that aircraft on the ground somewhere. That pay-to-obfuscate service also doesn’t work, because it doesn’t rotate transponder codes.
 
Although many GA folks will need ADS-B out, a sizeable percentage could probably get along just fine without It, but install it anyway because of the bad info floating around on this board and others.

I fly all over the Central and Eastern USA and have no trouble avoiding airspace where it will be required. I am in no hurry to equip, but if I do, it will be a UAT system which is anonymous capable.
 
TigerGene said:
Although many GA folks will need ADS-B out, a sizeable percentage could probably get along just fine without It, but install it anyway because of the bad info floating around on this board and others.

I fly all over the Central and Eastern USA and have no trouble avoiding airspace where it will be required. I am in no hurry to equip, but if I do, it will be a UAT system which is anonymous capable.
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Oh. Bad info. Do tell. This should be good.

Do you really think those of us who know we fly in said airspace are stupid enough that we can’t read the requirements?
 
QUOTE="denverpilot, post: 2558219, member: 6717"]Doesn’t work against private receiver networks like FlightAware’s and the other crowdsourced ones.
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Are you sure?

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Stewartb said:
QUOTE="denverpilot, post: 2558219, member: 6717"]Doesn’t work against private receiver networks like FlightAware’s and the other crowdsourced ones.
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Are you sure?

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Yes I’m sure. The raw data is still there and there are other crowdsourcing sites besides FA that don’t filter anything.

Just because FA is nice about it, doesn’t mean everyone with a $20 receiver is, or will be.

Takes about five minutes of work to have an SDR receiving on both bands.
 
But you said.......

If there's a site that's providing data for my plane that's registered for blocking? I have grounds to turn off ADS-B when outside of ADS-B required airspace. If the government wants to come after me over it? I'll take that fight.
 
Stewartb said:
But you said.......

If there's a site that's providing data for my plane that's registered for blocking? I have grounds to turn off ADS-B when outside of ADS-B required airspace. If the government wants to come after me over it? I'll take that fight.
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Was that first sentence supposed to make sense?
 
James331 said:
So really instead of fighting those things you mentioned and finding good countermeasures, we should just give in and hand over our 4th amendment rights on a silver platter to the crown?

If our forefathers had that same mindeset we’d all still be subjects of the crown and not American citizens.
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Internet, cell phones, credit cards, red light cameras, social media, it’s all out there. It’s not like we really live in a world where we have privacy. I can go find everything about.

And the whole freedom thing. Just think about how many laws are in place that you obey just driv8ng to the airport. Speeding, trespassing, license, insurance, taxes, the list goes on forever.

We strayed from our forefathers mindset years ago.
 
It referred to YOUR STATEMENT that blocking didn't work with Flightaware and similar sites. I thought it was humorous considering how you jumped on another poster about "bad info."
 
TommyG said:
Internet, cell phones, credit cards, red light cameras, social media, it’s all out there. It’s not like we really live in a world where we have privacy. I can go find everything about.

And the whole freedom thing. Just think about how many laws are in place that you obey just driv8ng to the airport. Speeding, trespassing, license, insurance, taxes, the list goes on forever.

We strayed from our forefathers mindset years ago.
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Internet you have control over it, cell phones is held by government and the carriers and isn’t public, credit card use definitely isn’t public, Red light cameras are municipality only, social media see: Internet.

None of the above are transmitted over public radio frequencies in the clear.

The laws of driving are not related to the problem that ADS-B is incorrectly designed, in any way.
 
Stewartb said:
It referred to YOUR STATEMENT that blocking didn't work with Flightaware and similar sites. I thought it was humorous considering how you jumped on another poster about "bad info."
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It doesn’t work. FlightAware still has the data. That’s not a block. That’s just blocking some people from seeing it. There’s also no requirement nor regulation for FlightAware to follow their own blocking rules, they’re subject to change at any time, even on an aircraft by aircraft basis.

The FAA “block” is similar, it blocks the data feed to the commercial vendors but doesn’t block the public broadcast.

The system as designed, has no blocking feature other than UAT in anonymous mode, and it’s still not enough to guarantee privacy.
 
You're talking in circles. At least you kept the word count down, so you have that going for you, which is nice.
 
Stewartb said:
But you said.......

If there's a site that's providing data for my plane that's registered for blocking? I have grounds to turn off ADS-B when outside of ADS-B required airspace. If the government wants to come after me over it? I'll take that fight.
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You flew on July 14th(UTC) in the vicinity of Goose Bay airport and out to the north west.

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denverpilot said:
Are you sure?

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Yes I’m sure. The raw data is still there and there are other crowdsourcing sites besides FA that don’t filter anything.

Just because FA is nice about it, doesn’t mean everyone with a $20 receiver is, or will be.

Takes about five minutes of work to have an SDR receiving on both bands.
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And then there is this guy who has an SDR ADS-B receiver to track and Vlog about the aircraft that are "poisoning" him:


His Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClIbvoqs59XQXCU_Ft7yFXg/videos?view=0&shelf_id=1&sort=dd

He even Vlogs about using the ADS-B data to track down and contact the aircraft "chemtrail" owners:
 
Stewartb said:
But you said.......

If there's a site that's providing data for my plane that's registered for blocking? I have grounds to turn off ADS-B when outside of ADS-B required airspace. If the government wants to come after me over it? I'll take that fight.
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ADS-B Exchange is one such site. They proudly announce that they do not, and will not, block any aircraft, no matter who makes the request or what the reason, because they consider it their right to publically broadcast all the data.
 
idahoflier said:
Wouldn't this be an issue?

91.225 (f) Each person operating an aircraft equipped with ADS–B Out must operate this equipment in the transmit mode at all times.
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No. In anonymous mode, you are still transmitting your location but without the tail number hex code. Most UAT (978) version have an option for anonymous mode, which can only be enabled when sqawking 1200/VFR. Other limitations may also apply (e.g. > 10k altitude).
 
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So, like, since you have to manually enter the code that translates into the N number in your ads-B box...
Um....
N50545 pretty much works, right?
 
Good luck to your estate if you have a midair and they find out that your ADS-B box was off.

I don't really care if someone sees me getting a $100 hamburger. My boss cares about people seeing where he goes, and we have procedures to make sure that doesn't happen, yet we still have ADS-B out.

But, it's a semi-free country, do what you want.....
 
Groundpounder said:
Good luck to your estate if you have a midair and they find out that your ADS-B box was off.

I don't really care if someone sees me getting a $100 hamburger. My boss cares about people seeing where he goes, and we have procedures to make sure that doesn't happen, yet we still have ADS-B out.

But, it's a semi-free country, do what you want.....
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Lol, you’re more likely to die eating that burger than your what if what if

Just curious, what’s your DOB, SS, alarm code, high res photo of your house keys, and could you please include a photo of your wife and children and also let us know their day to day schedule?

I mean WHAT IF you posted that your wife was in trouble and needed help, AND one of us just happened to be on the forum, AND happened to be by your house, AND happened to be equipped to help in whatever emergency she was having.

So really if you don’t supply us with all that information, you must not care about your wife and kids right?
 
James331 said:
Lol, you’re more likely to die eating that burger than your what if what if

Just curious, what’s your DOB, SS, alarm code, high res photo of your house keys, and could you please include a photo of your wife and children and also let us know their day to day schedule?

I mean WHAT IF you posted that your wife was in trouble and needed help, AND one of us just happened to be on the forum, AND happened to be by your house, AND happened to be equipped to help in whatever emergency she was having.

So really if you don’t supply us with all that information, you must not care about your wife and kids right?
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Equating posting your SS# and being tracked on ADS-B is moronic. Kind of like the friend I have that won't get ez pass cause he doesn't want the govmint to track him, but still owns a smart phone.
 
Groundpounder said:
Equating posting your SS# and being tracked on ADS-B is moronic. Kind of like the friend I have that won't get ez pass cause he doesn't want the govmint to track him, but still owns a smart phone.
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Lol, you’re right, knowing your movements can tell much more and pose much more of a risk than having your SS number there for public consumption.
 
Ray Eaker said:
No. In anonymous mode, you are still transmitting your location but without the tail number hex code. Most UAT (978) version have an option for anonymous mode, which can only be enabled when sqawking 1200/VFR. Other limitations may also apply (e.g. > 10k altitude).
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Understood, the post I was replying to involved having an ADSB capapble xpndr and a regular mode c xpndr and selectively using either one. I don't think that will legally work because of 91.225 (f)...
 
Groundpounder said:
Good luck to your estate if you have a midair and they find out that your ADS-B box was off.

I don't really care if someone sees me getting a $100 hamburger. My boss cares about people seeing where he goes, and we have procedures to make sure that doesn't happen, yet we still have ADS-B out.

But, it's a semi-free country, do what you want.....
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How do you mask the tail number since its a public broadcast?
 
bnt83 said:
I can't confirm the info, but someone mentioned they have never flown IFR or flight following and always squawk 1200 and with anonymous switched on and flight aware still knew the airplane's registration number. IDR which equipment they had.
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I wonder if they were Mode-S equipped. Doesn't the Mode-S transponder transmit its hex code all the time? If so, that will identify your plane even without ADS-B.
 
denverpilot said:
You’re right. Someone can’t find my location with my SSN. The ADS-B is far more dangerous. :)
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If you are so worried about people not knowing when you're on the move, and who you are, why do you have your n-number in your signature on a public message board?
 
Groundpounder said:
If you are so worried about people not knowing when you're on the move, and who you are, why do you have your n-number in your signature on a public message board?
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The N number by itself pre-ADS-B gave no useful information to anyone.

Nice try.

Again defending the indefensibly bad engineering design. Did you have a hand in this garbage?

Modern data systems have utilized encryption since long before this government dog barf design was started.

RF systems were obfuscating content at least back into the 70s prior to the release of public key encryption to the masses by Phil Zimmerman (for which they tried to prosecute him as a criminal and a traitor) in the early 90s.

Government certainly knew (and everyone did after Zimmerman) about proper encryption schemes that were robust and not overly processor intensive in the 90s.

The design is a total POS. Period. Full stop.
 
The guys who did the field testing of Capstone in western Alaska sure did approve of it. Total POS? Maybe from your naive right to privacy point of view, but from the aircraft fleet operator's point of view? it's amazing. I sure like seeing the surface winds on my G3X screen. Where I fly that's pretty damn cool.

I don't recall any us us having a constitutional right to fly, let alone a right to fly anonymously. But for those who hate the ADS-B concept? Move out of the cities. Stay out of classified airspace. Live free. The regulations have provided the option.
 
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