Anybody watch the Grammys?

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I normally pass on all the self-congratulatory backslapping going on at these galas, but a couple of my sons' friends have this new band called "The Fray" ... They and family were at the Grammys last night, as they were nominated for Best Pop Song and Best Rock Song, IIRC.... "Cable Car" and "How to Save a Life" (perhaps not in that order)... They didn't win, but 2 nominations in their first year ... not bad from some kids from Colorado...

I see they did manage to turn it into yet another political posturing publicity stunt, as the Dixie Chimps pretty much stole the show ... "music be damned, way to go for slamming Bush! Have another award!"
 
The owner of the studio where I recorded my CD was at the Grammys. His audio expertise has history in New York City and he knows many in the entertainment field. Charlie told me the ticket cost $2500.00.
The guitarist who was on my CD is working on a new CD of his own. Charlie will produce. The intent is to nominate David for a Grammy. The "product" has to be top-notch, not only the performer but, also, the technical aspects of the recording. http://www.mainesoundstage.com

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gkainz said:
I normally pass on all the self-congratulatory backslapping going on at these galas, but a couple of my sons' friends have this new band called "The Fray" ... They and family were at the Grammys last night, as they were nominated for Best Pop Song and Best Rock Song, IIRC.... "Cable Car" and "How to Save a Life" (perhaps not in that order)... They didn't win, but 2 nominations in their first year ... not bad from some kids from Colorado...
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Nah, I didn't see it...for exactly the reasons you stated. I'm not too familiar with the Fray, except for "How to Save a Life", which is a great song!

gkainz said:
I see they did manage to turn it into yet another political posturing publicity stunt, as the Dixie Chimps pretty much stole the show ... "music be damned, way to go for slamming Bush! Have another award!"
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It's what they do. I guess it makes them feel important in the empty and shallow world they live in. :dunno:
 
I watched the first 3 minutes to see the Police perform. After that, <CLICK>.

-Rich

P.S. Wondering how much concert tix will be....You think flying is expensive?
 
No, their far left agenda makes me sick as well as most of the music. I never watch any of those shows.
 
gkainz said:
I see they did manage to turn it into yet another political posturing publicity stunt, as the Dixie Chimps pretty much stole the show ... "music be damned, way to go for slamming Bush! Have another award!"
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Well, the Chicks' music has been pretty much excellent through all the BS coming from both sides over this brouhaha, and they deserved their Grammy.
 
If the award shows could tone down the politics, I'd probably watch. Nothing infuriates me more than some ditzy pop singer telling me why I should care about (insert important political issue here).

At least when Chris Rock does it he's being humorous.
 
Didn't watch it or even know it was on. Had I known it was on, I still wouldn't have watched it. I'm just not a pop/rap kind of guy.
 
Heard some pretty sarcastic comments on a local country music station about how undeserved the Dixie Chicks winning songs were, from a music standpoint.
 
Dixie Chimps won NOTHING on the Country Music Awards, but darn near sweep the Grammys and everyone at the Grammys breaks their arm patting them and themselves on the back? Gimme a break!

"Nice job slamming Bush! Have another Grammy!"
"Way to go, Chicks! You sure told him! Have another Grammy!"
"Slam the President? That gets you album of the year! Have another Grammy"
"Country Album of the Year, according to the Grammys. Not good enough to win according to the Country Music Awards. Hmmm, which one knows Country Music? Doesn't matter - here's another Grammy"
 
I didn't watch it. I knew it would be nothing but accolades for the more worthless music. The Dixie Twits still do not get play on a large majority of country stations. Their only hope is the Hollywierd leftest and that's certainly where they are getting their support.

I'd hope the country stars would withdrawal themselves from that non-sense but that'll never happen. Tim McGraw has shown to be leaning left this past year. But, there are some country stars I'm betting will never appear nor will their pro-America stance and strong support for the troops ever get them an award from the Grummys. (Yes, it's spelled correctly!)
 
alaskaflyer said:
Well, the Chicks' music has been pretty much excellent through all the BS coming from both sides over this brouhaha, and they deserved their Grammy.
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THANK YOU - I get really tired of listening to the complaints - hey, guys, just because you don't like their politics doesn't mean that the awards were rigged. It might, just MIGHT, mean that your shoot-from-the-hip knee jerk reactions about them are just WRONG. The reason they were doing so well in the beginning (before the conservatives decided they don't REALLY like that pesky Freedom of Speech) is that the Dixie Chicks are GOOD.
 
gkainz said:
Dixie Chimps won NOTHING on the Country Music Awards, but darn near sweep the Grammys and everyone at the Grammys breaks their arm patting them and themselves on the back? Gimme a break!
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Yeah, like the CMA's aren't even more political, just on the RIGHT?????

They Dixie Chicks could have an actual choir of angels as back-up singers and the CMA would have undercut 'em out of any awards, just because of politics.
 
Everyone's forgetting what exactly precipitated the entire issue over the Twits. It's not that they are politically opinionated. They bashed their own president on foreign soil. And, they did it in a nation that leans very much to the left.

I don't mind them being opposed to whatever they wish. Many from this country and in England gave their lives for us to have this freedom. But, doing it in that fashion was in very bad taste. That's what offended me.
 
Liked 'em before the comments, like 'em now. Their relative poor showing at the CMA is the result of politics, but also (IMHO) because folks like me like them - people who generally hate country music but like some crossover artists. OTOH the Grammy's love crossover artists.

How'd Nickel Creek do last year at the CMA? I like them too. So did the Grammys.

I don't see any difference between the DC's and all those supposedly red-blooded country artists who profit on BS phony patriotism lyrics. At least the DC's didn't put their politics in their songs.
 
alaskaflyer said:
At least the DC's didn't put their politics in their songs.
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What do you think this song was about?

Not Ready to Make Nice

Forgive, sounds good
Forget, I’m not sure I could
They say time heals everything
But I’m still waiting

I’m through with doubt
There’s nothing left for me to figure out
I’ve paid a price
And I’ll keep paying

I’m not ready to make nice
I’m not ready to back down
I’m still mad as hell and
I don’t have time to go round and round and round
It’s too late to make it right
I probably wouldn’t if I could
‘Cause I’m mad as hell
Can’t bring myself to do what it is you think I should

I know you said
Can’t you just get over it
It turned my whole world around
And I kind of like it

I made my bed and I sleep like a baby
With no regrets and I don’t mind sayin’
It’s a sad sad story when a mother will teach her
Daughter that she ought to hate a perfect stranger
And how in the world can the words that I said
Send somebody so over the edge
That they’d write me a letter
Sayin’ that I better shut up and sing
Or my life will be over

I’m not ready to make nice
I’m not ready to back down
I’m still mad as hell and
I don’t have time to go round and round and round
It’s too late to make it right
I probably wouldn’t if I could
‘Cause I’m mad as hell
Can’t bring myself to do what it is you think I should

I’m not ready to make nice
I’m not ready to back down
I’m still mad as hell and
I don’t have time to go round and round and round
It’s too late to make it right
I probably wouldn’t if I could
‘Cause I’m mad as hell
Can’t bring myself to do what it is you think I should

Forgive, sounds good
Forget, I’m not sure I could
They say time heals everything
But I’m still waiting
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On their album sales promotion page, they even have this sentence:

Taking The Long Way covers an impressive range of territory. The defiant and autobiographical first single "Not Ready To Make Nice" addresses the uproar resulting from the political remakrs made by Natalie Maines in March 2003.
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Ok, I'll grant you that no awards at CMA was just as political as the over the top awards at the Grammys. They are talented musicians and I used to like their music. However, by awarding them Album of the Year for their political statement punishes the other artists competing in what should be a musical venue, not politics.

http://music.aol.com/feature/grammy/nominees/album-of-the-year shows that the fans believed 3 other albums were a better choice; one by a very wide margin.

I've been turned off by their political posturing and choose to no longer buy their product.

By the way - what the heck is the difference between "Record of the Year" and "Album of the Year"?

http://music.aol.com/feature/grammy/nominees/record-of-the-year says the fans thought 2 others were better; again by a wide margin.

Song of the year? http://music.aol.com/feature/grammy/nominees/song-of-the-year same thing ...
 
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etsisk said:
The reason they were doing so well in the beginning (before the conservatives decided they don't REALLY like that pesky Freedom of Speech) is that the Dixie Chicks are GOOD.
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With all due respect Tom, I never heard anyone, conservative, or otherwise, claim they shouldn't have freedom of speech. It's not about that. It's about the consequences of that speech. Their freedom of speech does not compell me to purchase their music to support it.
 
KennyFlys said:
Everyone's forgetting what exactly precipitated the entire issue over the Twits. It's not that they are politically opinionated. They bashed their own president on foreign soil. And, they did it in a nation that leans very much to the left.

I don't mind them being opposed to whatever they wish. Many from this country and in England gave their lives for us to have this freedom. But, doing it in that fashion was in very bad taste. That's what offended me.
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It is not up to you to decide what is in taste and what is not, nor is it I. As you said "many in this country.. gave their lives for us to have this freedom". Freedom of speech and expression does not come with limits of where you can have that right. We, as American's consider that right to be universal on this globe.

The awards they got were the music industry thumbing their collective noses at the country music establishment. Just as at the CMA their was politics preventing them from getting any awards. This is not the first time that has happened nor will it be the last. The only difference in this case is that there is a core group of people who seem to want democracy in Iraq but not in the US for US citizens. Those tend to be involved in the CW business a bit more perhaps. I found the whole way that the radio stations responded to this so repugnant I gave up listening to them. Why do they have the right to decide what we can listen too. I like Chick's music, I have this record and it is pretty good too.

I am not saying that you have to agree with them. No, say what ever you will, but they did not deserve to receive death threats for expressing their views. Views I might add that about 70% of the population of the US now agree with.
 
alaskaflyer said:
How'd Nickel Creek do last year at the CMA? I like them too. So did the Grammys.
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The more traditional or old time/folk/Bluegrass/country whatever it is called, has not ever done well at the CMAs. Alison Krause was snubbed last year but did well at the Grammys. Remember a few years ago, O'Bother Where art Thou was a Album of the Year at the Grammys but did not get any recognition at the CMA. There were some great players on that album and iust really rekindled the interest into old time folk.
 
Frank Browne said:
With all due respect Tom, I never heard anyone, conservative, or otherwise, claim they shouldn't have freedom of speech. It's not about that. It's about the consequences of that speech. Their freedom of speech does not compell me to purchase their music to support it.
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They got death threats. That is a pretty clear communication to tell them they can't express themselves freely. The name of the Album, "Shut up and Sing" came form one of those letters. Sadly there are extremists who wanted them to not have the rights of this country and where willing to kill the girls.

Plus the country music business worked hard to ensure they got no radio play. They were one of the biggest acts at the time. The music industry wanted them shut up so bad they were willing to sacrifice their profits all in the name of a false 'patriotism'
 
etsisk said:
Yeah, like the CMA's aren't even more political, just on the RIGHT?????

They Dixie Chicks could have an actual choir of angels as back-up singers and the CMA would have undercut 'em out of any awards, just because of politics.
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i don't know much about it, never watched either show, never heard of the dixie chicks til that one that looks like tyne daley stuck her nose in in iraq. but i'd say if you looked at the political profile of the voters that might explain the results. maybe the cma is more "right". but i doubt one is more political than the other. i wonder if "a vote for the chicks is a vote against bush!" was going through anybodys mind? imho, tc
 
smigaldi said:
They got death threats.
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And that is a just plain wrong reaction.
smigaldi said:
That is a pretty clear communication to tell them they can't express themselves freely.
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No it isn't. It's just a stupid thing done by stupid people.
smigaldi said:
The name of the Album, "Shut up and Sing" came form one of those letters. Sadly there are extremists who wanted them to not have the rights of this country and where willing to kill the girls.
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They're still alive I take it. IMO just some blowhards trying to intimidate.

smigaldi said:
Plus the country music business worked hard to ensure they got no radio play.
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I believe it has more to do with the fact that the chicks were no longer playing to their traditional audience. Those country stations don't play Busta Rhymes either do they?
smigaldi said:
They were one of the biggest acts at the time.
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Until they shot themselves in the foot. Remember PeeWee Herman?
smigaldi said:
The music industry wanted them shut up so bad they were willing to sacrifice their profits all in the name of a false 'patriotism'
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Their profits went away because because the chicks insulted their traditional audience and their record sales plummeted because of it. It had nothing to do with the music industry trying to stifle them.
 
smigaldi said:
They got death threats. That is a pretty clear communication to tell them they can't express themselves freely. The name of the Album, "Shut up and Sing" came form one of those letters. Sadly there are extremists who wanted them to not have the rights of this country and where willing to kill the girls.

Plus the country music business worked hard to ensure they got no radio play. They were one of the biggest acts at the time. The music industry wanted them shut up so bad they were willing to sacrifice their profits all in the name of a false 'patriotism'
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get real. if the country music business banned them it was because thats what their listeners wanted. if enough of your audience says "play their music and i'm changing stations and writing letters to your sponsors" you gotta listen. thats called "good business sense". most radio stations and record companys are publicly owned. it would be fiscally irresponsible to sacrifice shareholder profit over personal politics. this sitch was not unlike the oj/fox incident we recently saw. if your customers make a stink you better listen, or they won't be your customers anymore and you'll be on the street looking for work. like no other business in the world, the music industry constantly polls and caters to what their customers want. fwiw, tc
 
Frank Browne said:
And that is a just plain wrong reaction.
We agree

Frank Browne said:
No it isn't. It's just a stupid thing done by stupid people.
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See above I think they were stupid to make those types of threats. I was not trying to lump all righties into that group.

Frank Browne said:
They're still alive I take it. IMO just some blowhards trying to intimidate.
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"There was one specific death threat on Natalie. [It] had a time, had a place, had a weapon. I mean, everything. ...‘You will be shot dead at your show in Dallas." from an MSNBC report and 60 Minutes. They required extra police protection for a long time. An attmept to murder them could have been averted due to the extra security. We will probably never know for sure.


Frank Browne said:
I believe it has more to do with the fact that the chicks were no longer playing to their traditional audience.
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Yeah the CM biz sure does not like crossover success do they? They bad mouthed Faith Hill, Shania, and others, even Johnny Cash not too long ago.

Frank Browne said:
Those country stations don't play Busta Rhymes either do they?
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Thankfully no!

Frank Browne said:
Until they shot themselves in the foot. Remember PeeWee Herman?
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Yeah but he didn't shoot his foot, he, er, shot his, AHH never mind. ;):D
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tom clark said:
get real. if the country music business banned them it was because thats what their listeners wanted.
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The banning started the very next morning. I remember our local station starting at 6am with breaking of their records and telling everyone to throw away 'chick's records'. There was a bit of the tail wagging the dog as no one had had a chance to say anything yet. Funny thing was the station was not taking call-ins that day. I know I tried.
 
smigaldi said:
The banning started the very next morning. I remember our local station starting at 6am with breaking of their records and telling everyone to throw away 'chick's records'. There was a bit of the tail wagging the dog as no one had had a chance to say anything yet. Funny thing was the station was not taking call-ins that day. I know I tried.
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could be, i don't know, i wasn't listening. but if people wanted to hear the chicks and the station refused to play them they'd just turn to a channel that was playing them. or was this a conspiracy? i like a good conspiracy! tc
 
tom clark said:
could be, i don't know, i wasn't listening. but if people wanted to hear the chicks and the station refused to play them they'd just turn to a channel that was playing them. or was this a conspiracy? i like a good conspiracy! tc
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We could get into media 'conspiracy'??

What are there, like, 7 companies that own most of the radio and TV stations in America? I would prefer to have less ability for large companies to control so much of the media. More diversity for media!!
 
smigaldi said:
It is not up to you to decide what is in taste and what is not, nor is it I. As you said "many in this country.. gave their lives for us to have this freedom". Freedom of speech and expression does not come with limits of where you can have that right. We, as American's consider that right to be universal on this globe.

The awards they got were the music industry thumbing their collective noses at the country music establishment. Just as at the CMA their was politics preventing them from getting any awards. This is not the first time that has happened nor will it be the last. The only difference in this case is that there is a core group of people who seem to want democracy in Iraq but not in the US for US citizens. Those tend to be involved in the CW business a bit more perhaps. I found the whole way that the radio stations responded to this so repugnant I gave up listening to them. Why do they have the right to decide what we can listen too. I like Chick's music, I have this record and it is pretty good too.

I am not saying that you have to agree with them. No, say what ever you will, but they did not deserve to receive death threats for expressing their views. Views I might add that about 70% of the population of the US now agree with.
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I don't disagree they have the right. They certainly have that right here. And, they have as much right in whatever country they make their statements so far as it's legal in that country. I doubt they'll run into limits on bashing Bush in other countries.

But, I just have an issue with them doing it in another country. It's funny how they never did so in this country prior to that time.

But, there is no free speech rights when it comes to the market place. And, it spoke. They lost a lot of sales to their former fans. Many of the fans they have now are there only because of their speech. Go figure!
 
KennyFlys said:
Many of the fans they have now are there only because of their speech. Go figure!
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What numbers or polls do you base that on, Kenny? Y'all have been saying this, but where is it coming from?

I only ask because I suspect that it's simply wishful thinking on the part of conservatives, somehow... dunno. That claim of y'all's doesn't make any sense to me - who would listen to music they don't like? Life's too short.
 
Listen to a country station for a week during the morning shows. You'll hear plenty of comments about the twits; none of them positive. A few of them watched the Grummys. They looked at the fact that the twits got all these awards but their play on country stations is only about 15% of what it used to be.
 
I heard today (on Fox) that DC's record sales are up over 800% since the Grammys. Apparently they found a new audience. Let Clear Channel choke on that!
 
Their welcome to all the success they can muster. But, due to their statements on foreign soil, they lost most of their original fans.
 
I don't get the whole hangup about the "foreign soil" thing. After all, our President travels abroad and makes idiotic comments about himself all the time. So others can't do it? :dunno:
 
alaskaflyer said:
I don't get the whole hangup about the "foreign soil" thing. After all, our President travels abroad and makes idiotic comments about himself all the time. So others can't do it? :dunno:
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To me, it's just bad taste. Anyone with a eyes, ears and a brain knows England largely dislikes the US. So, why incite it? If she didn't think she would get the response she did, she's giving credence to the stereotype blond.
 
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