I suspect that will happen along with the logging of PIC without the appropriate endorsements.
I can't tie your sub paragraph references with the actual regulation.
Not to my knowledge.
It went out Nov 2006. Search on Docket Number FAA-2006-26661. Comments closed in May 2007. Word I have is to expect the Final Rule early next year.
Sorry -- typed (2) when I meant (3).Ron, that sort of confused the issue.
Not for any of them, although an FOI endorsement is required for the initial CFI practical test.
As I read it... If I take my AGI along with my CFI written, and get my AGI certificate while working on the flight portion of the CFI, I won't need the FOI endorsement since I'll hold a ground instructor certificate. Correct?
Not sure what you're reading. I'm looking at 14 CFR 61.183(d):
I see no exceptions whatsoever to the FOI endorsement requirement for initial CFI issuance for anyone on any basis. Per 61.183(e), you don't need to retake the FOI test if you hold a GI certificate no matter how long ago you took the FOI test, but you do need the FOI endorsement (no expiration date) from a CFI to take your initial CFI practical test.14 CFR 61.183 said:
I misspoke. Since some or all of an IPC may be given in a flight simulation device (if the device is so authorized), a GI-I can give "ground training" for an IPC. However, this is neither a flight review nor aeronautical knowledge training, so a GI-A can't do it, even under the erroneous current rules.
It doesn't matter who gives you the 61.183(d) endorsement as long as that person holds a current, valid CFI certificate and has given you sufficient training/evaluation to be able to recommend you. If John and Martha want to do that based on your training from them (I don't know what their policy is on that), mighty fine. Otherwise, you'll probably have to get the CFI who's training you for the practical test to sign it.
Actually, an endorsement is required for the CFI-SP writtens, both FOI and Sport Instructor. See 61.405(a).
I'd be highly doubtful that it would, since advisory circulars aren't regulatory. The written rules trump everything but the law. In any event, I made sure to get the endorsement in my logbook before going to take the writtens.
No endorsement is required for the FOI test. Since you may be taking that test for initial issuance of a CFI or GI certificate with any rating, not just CFI-SP, 61.405(a) doesn't create the need for an endorsement before taking the FOI written since there's no saying why you're taking it and there's no SP rating-specific FOI test. However, as with issuance of an initial CFI with any other rating, you will need that endorsement before you take the CFI-SP practical test if that is your initial CFI issuance. Jay correctly notes that for whatever reason the FAA had when they wrote the rule, unlike all the other CFI writtens, you must have an endorsement to take the CFI-SP written.
Maybe they'll fix it in the rewrite.
Perhaps, perhaps not...but the words are there, and appear to create a requirement for a signoff. Since there's definitely a requirement for a signoff for the Sport Instructor Airplane test, it was just as easy for me to get my CFI to sign me off for the FOI test while he was at it.
If you can find an FOI-SP test, I guess you'll need an endorsement. Otherwise, you're making up a problem that doesn't exist.
Yes -- Subpart I (61.211, et seq).
Assuming you have a CFI with Airplane and Instrument ratings:
The rewrite is in the finalization stage, and I didn't see anything in the NPRM two years ago.
As an AGI, are you authorized to give [instrument] training in a flight training device because the instruction is not "flight training" since it doesn't occur in an airplane? By this interpretation, training in a flight training device is not flight training, but ground training by FAR definition. This is somewhat confusing since all you have to do is slap on the word "device" to make "flight training" turn to "ground training," supplemented the fact that the phrase "flight training" is included in "flight training device."
Yes -- for now.
Correct, but it is by plain reading of the rules, not interpretation. However, that authority for a GI-A without the GI-Instrument rating to give instrument training in a flight simulation device (simulator, FTD, or ATD) will go away when then Part 61 rewrite becomes effective.
The BGI I can believe, but the AGI seems to require knowledge applicable to commercial and ATP ratings. Did the AGI test not cover that?
Interesting, since the AGI requirements in 61.213(a)(4)(ii) seem to say different. If it is, and since I've already passed the Sport Instructor Airplane, it shouldn't be a lot more work. I certainly won't complain. If I can get the AGI, I certainly will do so.