A&P to Airman??

[Abester A&P]

Hey guys, just signed up to this forum because I am interested in becoming a pilot as well as going through it with my 16 year old daughter.

I had two questions currently:

1. Do you get compensated more if you are an A&P as well as have your pilots license?

2. Are there quite a few woman pilots out there and what are their chances for advancement?

 

[TCABM]

Hey guys, just signed up to this forum because I am interested in becoming a pilot as well as going through it with my 16 year old daughter.

I had two questions currently:

1. Do you get compensated more if you are an A&P as well as have your pilots license?

2. Are there quite a few woman pilots out there and what are their chances for advancement?

1. It depends on the organization/business model. Generally speaking, an A&P certificate will not result in additional compensation. However, there are exceptions.

2. There are quite a few women in aviation, several@Cajun_Flyer is one that is active here. The 99s is a specifically for women in aviation.

 

[flyingron]

I do know some women who are pilots and A&Ps. What it may get you is in the door of some smaller operations that need a little of both. She worked for some of the aerial firefighting contractors for a while.

 

[Zeldman]

Hey guys, just signed up to this forum because I am interested in becoming a pilot as well as going through it with my 16 year old daughter.

I had two questions currently:

1. Do you get compensated more if you are an A&P as well as have your pilots license?

2. Are there quite a few woman pilots out there and what are their chances for advancement?

1. Yes. For small companies that only want to pay one salary for two positions.

2. Their are women pilots and they have the same chances for advancement as men, maybe better under certain circumstances.

And women's voices are so much easier to understand on the radio compared to the frog croaking men.

 

[Checkout_my_Six]

depends.....

 

[Abester A&P]

1. Yes. For small companies that only want to pay one salary for two positions.

2. Their are women pilots and they have the same chances for advancement as men, maybe better under certain circumstances.

And women's voices are so much easier to understand on the radio compared to the frog croaking men.

hahahahah!!! Thanks!!!

 

[paflyer]

1. Yes. For small companies that only want to pay one salary for two positions.

2. Their are women pilots and they have the same chances for advancement as men, maybe better under certain circumstances.

And women's voices are so much easier to understand on the radio compared to the frog croaking men.

Have you heard the current crop of vocal fry millenial/gen whatever?

 

[paflyer]

Hey guys, just signed up to this forum because I am interested in becoming a pilot as well as going through it with my 16 year old daughter.

I had two questions currently:

1. Do you get compensated more if you are an A&P as well as have your pilots license?

2. Are there quite a few woman pilots out there and what are their chances for advancement?

Compensated for doing what? Wrenching or flying?

 

[ktup-flyer]

And women's voices are so much easier to understand on the radio compared to the frog croaking men.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Compensated for doing what? Wrenching or flying?

I'm glad, considering the question, your spell check didn't remove the "r" from"Wrenching"

As per the original post, I've had women teach me to fly or perform my flight review, so there are several out there. I hope a couple ( @Cajun_Flyer and @azure ) find this thread and provide their perspective about pay and advancement.

 

[RJM62]

I imagine the A&P could help her get the job because it shows a more in-depth knowledge of aviation. I also think there's a safety advantage in knowing about the guts of any machine that one operates, including aircraft. So as far as getting a job, I think it would help. I'd certainly be inclined to hire a pilot with an A&P over one without it, all else being equal.

It probably wouldn't result in higher pay, however, unless she's working at a small outfit and is willing to swing wrenches in between flying. I can see how that might work out for a CFI or a Part 135 operation that's not especially busy. I actually had a CFI who was also an A&P and did maintenance work between teaching.

Rich

 

[Abester A&P]

Compensated for doing what? Wrenching or flying?

Well both I guess if was aiming at being a DOM and flying for an owner seeing if anyone has done this before

 

[Abester A&P]

I imagine the A&P could help her get the job because it shows a more in-depth knowledge of aviation. I also think there's a safety advantage in knowing about the guts of any machine that one operates, including aircraft. So as far as getting a job, I think it would help. I'd certainly be inclined to hire a pilot with an A&P over one without it, all else being equal.

It probably wouldn't result in higher pay, however, unless she's working at a small outfit and is willing to swing wrenches in between flying. I can see how that might work out for a CFI or a Part 135 operation that's not especially busy. I actually had a CFI who was also an A&P and did maintenance work between teaching.

Rich

Do you know anyone that has been a DOM and a pilot for an owner? I currently work on Challenger, Falcon sized aircraft. I knew someone that was a DOM and a pilot for a citation 10 a long time ago but never asked him if he made more money than just being a pilot.

 

[paflyer]

I imagine the A&P could help her get the job because it shows a more in-depth knowledge of aviation. I also think there's a safety advantage in knowing about the guts of any machine that one operates, including aircraft. So as far as getting a job, I think it would help. I'd certainly be inclined to hire a pilot with an A&P over one without it, all else being equal.

It probably wouldn't result in higher pay, however, unless she's working at a small outfit and is willing to swing wrenches in between flying. I can see how that might work out for a CFI or a Part 135 operation that's not especially busy. I actually had a CFI who was also an A&P and did maintenance work between teaching.

Rich

The OP isn't clear. I took it to mean that the OP is an AP and is looking to get pilot cert as well, and his daughter want to also be a pilot. Training together.

 

[RJM62]

The OP isn't clear. I took it to mean that the OP is an AP and is looking to get pilot cert as well, and his daughter want to also be a pilot. Training together.

I suspect you're right based on OP's handle.

Rich

 

[RJM62]

Do you know anyone that has been a DOM and a pilot for an owner? I currently work on Challenger, Falcon sized aircraft. I knew someone that was a DOM and a pilot for a citation 10 a long time ago but never asked him if he made more money than just being a pilot.

No, I don't. But I suspect that's the kind of job you wouldn't even be considered for without both tickets.

Rich

 

[SkyDog58]

I'm not sure what is meant by the title "A&P to Airman".

 

[mscard88]

Hey guys, just signed up to this forum because I am interested in becoming a pilot as well as going through it with my 16 year old daughter.

I had two questions currently:

1. Do you get compensated more if you are an A&P as well as have your pilots license?

2. Are there quite a few woman pilots out there and what are their chances for advancement?

1. It would make you attractive to a corporate department. It may result in additional income to a pilot salary, or might not, as corporate flight departments usually have their own mechanics on staff. A small individual or company also may expect you to work on the plane when you're not flying, for the same pay. I interviewed for a position once w/o an A&P, and the owner inquired if I'd be willing to work on their trucks then beings I didn't have an A&P. In addition he wanted to lower the salary because I had just retired from the Air Force and had a military pension. Like Forest Gump, I ran from that place.

2. Plenty of opportunities for women pilots. Military pilots, corporate pilots, flight instructors, and the airlines are all achievable as well as many other type of flying jobs. I was at a regional airline and we had quite a few female pilots, many Captains. Many times passengers would be surprised because both pilots were women. No linits for a women, same opportunities as men. There are female fighter pilots, and the Thunderbirds had one if not two female pilots on the team.

 

[mscard88]

I'm not sure what is meant by the title "A&P to Airman".

He possesses an A&P and wants to get PP training with his daughter is what I gather.

 

[mscard88]

Well both I guess if was aiming at being a DOM and flying for an owner seeing if anyone has done this before

Yes, I've known a few who did both, couple were DOM in addition to a line Captain.

 

[SkyDog58]

He possesses an A&P and wants to get PP training with his daughter is what I gather.

That still does not explain the title.

An A&P is by FAA definition an airman, so "A&P to Airman" is basically saying "airman to airman" which seems ridiculously redundant.

 

[Checkout_my_Six]

thank you....from the department of redundancy department.....

 

[mscard88]

That still does not explain the title.

An A&P is by FAA definition an airman, so "A&P to Airman" is basically saying "airman to airman" which seems ridiculously redundant.

oh please! Since when have you a shet!

 

[Abester A&P]

That still does not explain the title.

An A&P is by FAA definition an airman, so "A&P to Airman" is basically saying "airman to airman" which seems ridiculously redundant.

By definition the FAA is stupid as **** with no reasoning skills and a bunch of *******s douchebags .....so are you a FAA agent? sounds like it right?

 

[mscard88]

By definition the FAA is stupid as **** with no reasoning skills and a bunch of *******s douchebags .....so are you a FAA agent? sounds like it right?

I'm liking this! Get him Abester, he's a troublemaker, always causing problems.

 

[Abester A&P]

I'm not sure what is meant by the title "A&P to Airman".

damn I forgot I am in a forum that is for pilots....most of the professional pilots are ****ole douchebags that think they are gods gift to everyone. And believe me I talk to a lot of pilots being a technician so its not a coincidence.

 

[Abester A&P]

That still does not explain the title.

An A&P is by FAA definition an airman, so "A&P to Airman" is basically saying "airman to airman" which seems ridiculously redundant.

Nothing on my license says "airman" is says mechanic. Why would a mechanic be called an airman, we do not go into the air, a pilot goes into the air.

 

[mondtster]

Nothing on my license says "airman" is says mechanic. Why would a mechanic be called an airman, we do not go into the air, a pilot goes into the air.

Look at the title of part 65...

 

[RyanB]

Nothing on my license says "airman" is says mechanic. Why would a mechanic be called an airman, we do not go into the air, a pilot goes into the air.

Believe it or not, the FAA considers an A&P a "non-crew member" airman. So by definition, you're an airman.

Sheesh, what are they teaching mechanics these days?

 

[Abester A&P]

1. It would make you attractive to a corporate department. It may result in additional income to a pilot salary, or might not, as corporate flight departments usually have their own mechanics on staff. A small individual or company also may expect you to work on the plane when you're not flying, for the same pay. I interviewed for a position once w/o an A&P, and the owner inquired if I'd be willing to work on their trucks then beings I didn't have an A&P. In addition he wanted to lower the salary because I had just retired from the Air Force and had a military pension. Like Forest Gump, I ran from that place.

hahahah ya I forgot how cheap these guys are. My dad owns a shop at KAUS and the crap these people would try to pull not paying their bills and bitching about a couple hundred dollars while they drive off in a 100,000 dollar car.

 

[Abester A&P]

Look at the title of part 65...

I try to avoid the FARs as much as possible hahahah

 

[SkyDog58]

By definition the FAA is stupid as **** with no reasoning skills and a bunch of *******s douchebags .....so are you a FAA agent? sounds like it right?

I am an A&P/IA with 35 years experience. I am also a Private Pilot with ASEL, ASES and AMEL ratings. And because of those fact and because as a certificate holder I am knowledgeable of the regulations and the definitions pertaining to such, I happen to know that both of my certificates are airman certificates.

If you were truly an A&P, you would know that your certificate is an airman certificate as well and if you were an experienced A&P working in the industry, you would know the benefits that being an A&P might confer upon a pilot's employment with some employers. I am doubtful therefore that you hold any certificate. If you are a certificate holder then your knowledge is lacking.

 

[SkyDog58]

Look at the title of part 65...

Glad to see someone has the pertinent knowledge.

 

[SkyDog58]

Believe it or not, the FAA considers an A&P a "non-crew member" airman. So by definition, you're an airman.

Sheesh, what are they teaching mechanics these days?

Obviously not enough or maybe some are just too dense to learn.

 

[Checkout_my_Six]

Is it still an airman.....if she is a female?

 

[RyanB]

I try to avoid the FARs as much as possible hahahah

Remind me to never hire you.

 

[cowman]

Is it still an airman.....if she is a female?

It's the current year, I don't think we're supposed to question these things anymore.

 

[Abester A&P]

I am an A&P/IA with 35 years experience. I am also a Private Pilot with ASEL, ASES and AMEL ratings. And because of those fact and because as a certificate holder I am knowledgeable of the regulations and the definitions pertaining to such, I happen to know that both of my certificates are airman certificates.

If you were truly an A&P, you would know that your certificate is an airman certificate as well and if you were an experienced A&P working in the industry, you would know the benefits that being an A&P might confer upon a pilot's employment with some employers. I am doubtful therefore that you hold any certificate. If you are a certificate holder then your knowledge is lacking.

I am a mechanic this doesnt give a crap about rules and regs I just fix the airplanes when they are AOG. I am an AOG tech that doesnt have time to worry about stuff that doesnt matter in real life when it comes to doing my job I only look at the FAR's and regs when my employer has some B/S training that I have to go to. I hate mechanics that try to use their book knowledge to seem like they are this great tech and sound superior, but couldn't troubleshoot their way out of a burnt light bulb (which sounds like you buddy)

 

[Abester A&P]

Remind me to never hire you.

ohhh come on its all a bunch of crap anyway. Ive been doing this since I was 15 and those things have not benefited me one bit unless some FAA or QA bastard was busting my balls.

 

[Abester A&P]

Believe it or not, the FAA considers an A&P a "non-crew member" airman. So by definition, you're an airman.

Sheesh, what are they teaching mechanics these days?

ya learning definitions that the FAA set are soooooo important to fixing airplanes and doing my job, I should just quit now because I was doing it wrong all this time. All those Gulfstreams and Falcons that I RTSed were not fixed correctly because I didnt know the definition of an A&P set by the FAA. Call the FAA up now and tell them!!