61.60 - Change of address

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Recently I moved and I want to comply with FAR 61.60 which states that I must notify the FAA within 30 days either by regular mail or online. I made my FAA account and changed the address online.

My question is: since I have a new license with my new address that contradicts my PPL license with the old address, should I get a replacement PPL with the updated address on it? Or will simply updating it online be sufficient?

I just wouldn't want to get ramp checked and have my license and PPL license not have matching addresses.

thanks in advance.
 
There is no legal requirement for the certificate (or medical) to show your current address, it just has to be on file with the FAA.
 
My A&P has one address on it. My Pilot license another which is my current address. My current address is what is on file with the FAA as I changed it when I moved. However when I first moved and changed my address, my A&P, PPL and on file address were all different. When I added my ASES last year, my PPL caught up with my actual address. However, my A&P will always be different unless I need a replacement certificate for any reason. This last happened when I went from paper to plastic. If I move again and do not earn a new rating, once again both certificates will have different addresses not only form each other but also from where I actually live. All that matters is that you change it in the FAA system when you move. What is on your actual cert does not matter at all.
 
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RotorAndWing said:
It's up to you. As long as it's correct in the FAA database is all that matters.
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To understand that is to realize that a pilot certificate is not a form of ID and that the only reason the FAA wants a current address is to be able to notify you of things that might affect your certificates and ratings.
 
midlifeflyer said:
To understand that is to realize that a pilot certificate is not a form of ID and that the only reason the FAA wants a current address is to be able to notify you of things that might affect your certificates and ratings.
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well, without a photo it wouldn't make much of an effective ID in the first place. Does anyone really look at it as an ID? I believe the fact that it is not is why you must have a government issued photo ID on you when exercising the privileges of your certificate.
 
Levy pointed out on the Red Board the the idiots can't get their act straight and have told DPEs to make sure the address on the pilot certificate and medical certificates match. So, while there is no requirement that the certificates reflect the CURRENT address, if you're going to take a checkride, they need to match.
 
flyingron said:
Levy pointed out on the Red Board the the idiots can't get their act straight and have told DPEs to make sure the address on the pilot certificate and medical certificates match. So, while there is no requirement that the certificates reflect the CURRENT address, if you're going to take a checkride, they need to match.
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There's no current guidance to DPE's that state that. The regulations are what's controlling.
 
RotorAndWing said:
There's no current guidance to DPE's that state that. The regulations are what's controlling.
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That's good. I recently moved and figured I'd get the certificate corrected by adding my seaplane rating sometime soon. The CFI will take care of itself when I do the next FIRC, leaving only my ground instructor certificate out of date. Maybe it's time for my AGI!
 
LDJones said:
That's good. I recently moved and figured I'd get the certificate corrected by adding my seaplane rating sometime soon. The CFI will take care of itself when I do the next FIRC, leaving only my ground instructor certificate out of date. Maybe it's time for my AGI!
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Your Airman's record is going to start to look like the records for John and Martha King!
 
LDJones said:
That's good. I recently moved and figured I'd get the certificate corrected by adding my seaplane rating sometime soon. The CFI will take care of itself when I do the next FIRC, leaving only my ground instructor certificate out of date. Maybe it's time for my AGI!
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FWiW, just spend the $2 each and update all of your certificates (the CFI will self correct)
 
Geez, never, ever volunteer a document you don't have to show - it's a zero sum game for you; heck, even if you have your log book with you, for example, don't volunteer it. Take a day, review it, look for issues, etc. Then show it to them. . .

Law enforcement can ask for ID, including your PPL, of course. I don't think the FAA asks for your drivers license on a ramp check; or, if they do, you can tell them to pound sand.
 
Sundancer said:
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Law enforcement can ask for ID, including your PPL, of course. I don't think the FAA asks for your drivers license on a ramp check; or, if they do, you can tell them to pound sand.
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You might want to read 61.3 again. It's changed since 9/11.

61.3(a)(2) says you need a photo ID (driver's license, passport) in addition to your pilot certificate and 61.3(l) says you need to show upon request both your certificates and the photo ID.
 
Sundancer said:
Geez, never, ever volunteer a document you don't have to show - it's a zero sum game for you; heck, even if you have your log book with you, for example, don't volunteer it. Take a day, review it, look for issues, etc. Then show it to them. . .

Law enforcement can ask for ID, including your PPL, of course. I don't think the FAA asks for your drivers license on a ramp check; or, if they do, you can tell them to pound sand.
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flyingron said:
You might want to read 61.3 again. It's changed since 9/11.

61.3(a)(2) says you need a photo ID (driver's license, passport) in addition to your pilot certificate and 61.3(l) says you need to show upon request both your certificates and the photo ID.
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Yep, best have a photo ID. Tell the ASI to pound sand and I'm afraid you won't like the outcome.
 
RotorAndWing said:
FWiW, just spend the $2 each and update all of your certificates (the CFI will self correct)
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Actually, I tried right after the move, but it was within 120 days of my ATP/CL-65 Type and they won't reissue within 120 days even if you pay for it.
 
RotorAndWing said:
Yep, best have a photo ID. Tell the ASI to pound sand and I'm afraid you won't like the outcome.
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Maybe things have changed - I'm not looking it up, but I recall the rules were they can ask to see your ticket and medical. And your log book, with notice. It might be fun, if you happen to be a retired lawyer, and in the mood. But I'll take a chance, and also refuse to show 'em my DL, library card, and first baby picture, too.

Seriously, my point is not to volunteer info or documents. Produce what the rules require, and nothing else. Keep your lip zipped, don't "explain" or elaborate or justify.
 
flyingron said:
You might want to read 61.3 again. It's changed since 9/11.

61.3(a)(2) says you need a photo ID (driver's license, passport) in addition to your pilot certificate and 61.3(l) says you need to show upon request both your certificates and the photo ID.
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I stand corrected, thanks! I'd be reading it for the first time, though, as likely I remember the old rules from ancient instruction, vice research.
 
I keep a passport card for certain people of ill-repute such as TSA document checkers and FAA inspectors. There's just too much of an identity theft issue with driver's licenses. Pretty much the only people I show my driver's license to is the police (when I'm driving).
 
flyingron said:
I keep a passport card for certain people of ill-repute such as TSA document checkers and FAA inspectors. There's just too much of an identity theft issue with driver's licenses. Pretty much the only people I show my driver's license to is the police (when I'm driving).
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I show mine to the TSA a few times each week to get through KCM since it's more readily available than my passport. Maybe I should carry the passport card, too.
 
LDJones said:
I show mine to the TSA a few times each week to get through KCM since it's more readily available than my passport. Maybe I should carry the passport card, too.
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I guess I've been out of the international travel game for a while (thankfully.) I never heard of a passport "card" vs a book. Very interesting.
 
nddons said:
I guess I've been out of the international travel game for a while (thankfully.) I never heard of a passport "card" vs a book. Very interesting.
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It's a smaller, DL license sized plastic card that works for some international travel, like Canada, the Caribbean, maybe Mexico....can't recall. It's an extra $20-25 when you get your regular passport.
 
flyingron said:
I keep a passport card for certain people of ill-repute such as TSA document checkers and FAA inspectors. There's just too much of an identity theft issue with driver's licenses. Pretty much the only people I show my driver's license to is the police (when I'm driving).
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:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
It's only good for ground crossing to Mexico and Canada, and certain seaports-of-entry for the Carribean and Bermuda.
 
Can someone tell me how to change the mailing address on file with the medical certification people? They have my physical address but I want to have mail sent to my PO Box. The airman (license) certification people have it right but the medical people don't use the same data base. Thanks
 
Shepherd said:
I remember when your PPL did have your picture on it.
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Mine does. But it's also got this bald guy on it, too.

The DPE looking at my rather old certificate when I got my instrument rating said he was sorry but he had to take it. I pointed out that I wasn't attached to it. While it was one of the old paper ones, it wasn't my original (which is still stapled to my first log book).
 
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