5 Ts ?

[dmccormack]

Now, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I am in favor of a modest few mnemonic aids, GUMP being one of them.

But do you really need a checklist item to tell you to reduce the throttle to descend?!

Do a search for aviation mnemonics or memory aids....there are so many out there, you can actually get into trouble by trying to remember the mnemonic itself! (you will forget one part of it thus jeopardizing the very purpose of the aid).

If TTTTT helps you, have at it. Like I said, it doesn't do much for me.
Has anyone else flown with experienced or pro pilots? I have with a handful, and have never seen them do this.

Are you kidding??

I still have to say "Keep it straight, keep it straight, keep it straight..." to myself when landing a tailwheel.

Not so much those wheel pushers.

 

[RotorAndWing]

Guess you haven't flown with me.

Unless you don't think almost 9000 hours over 40 years, and 20 years making my living in the cockpit, make me "experienced" or a "pro pilot."

Must be tough trying to close the canopy on that little Grumman.......

 

[EdFred]

Must be tough trying to close the canopy on that little Grumman.......

Helps to be triple jointed in the shoulder!!

 

[EdFred]

Are you kidding??

I still have to say "Keep it straight, keep it straight, keep it straight..." to myself when landing a tailwheel.

Not so much those wheel pushers.

After the switch to retract after 500+ hours of fixed, it's "gear down, gear down, gear down, gear down" for me.

 

[dmccormack]

After the switch to retract after 500+ hours of fixed, it's "gear down, gear down, gear down, gear down" for me.

Oh yeah -- when flying a retractable I'm a gumps guy....

 

[EdFred]

Oh yeah -- when flying a retractable I'm a gumps guy....

I check the gear after everything. Downwind gear down. flaps 9, gear down. base, gear down. flaps 18, gear down. throttle reduction, gear down. final, gear down. flaps 27, gear down. prop forward, gear down, gear down, gear down, gear down.

 

[dmccormack]

I check the gear after everything. Downwind gear down. flaps 9, gear down. base, gear down. flaps 18, gear down. throttle reduction, gear down. final, gear down. flaps 27, gear down. prop forward, gear down, gear down, gear down, gear down.

I've only been surprised by the gear horn once -- and that was while flying a BFR. I waited for the reaction. I intervened. We haven't finished the flight review. Yet.

 

[EdFred]

I've only been surprised by the gear horn once -- and that was while flying a BFR. I waited for the reaction. I intervened. We haven't finished the flight review. Yet.

My gear horn starts blaring way out. Around 15" and it starts buzzing. Well in order to keep the speed down, AND descend, I have to be 15". Anything higher and I'm yellow arc, or not coming down very fast.

 

[dmccormack]

My gear horn starts blaring way out. Around 15" and it starts buzzing. Well in order to keep the speed down, AND descend, I have to be 15". Anything higher and I'm yellow arc, or not coming down very fast.

A Bonanza's rugged gear permits using it as a speed brake -- like a big Go Down lever.

 

[poadeleted20]

Bottom line is that it is a memory aid to ensure that all required actions have been taken, and the sequence itself is irrelevant.

The sequence in the Dogan book was thought out very carefully on the basis of timing and priority. While it's generally true that...

Performing an action "out of order" is not going to cause the airplane to fall out of the sky, result in a certificate action, or cause a gross navigation error.

...doing them in the order in Dogan's book (Turn-Time-Twist-Throttle-Talk) has its advantages.

 

[bobmrg]

The sequence in the Dogan book was thought out very carefully on the basis of timing and priority. While it's generally true that...
...doing them in the order in Dogan's book (Turn-Time-Twist-Throttle-Talk) has its advantages.

Agreed. But "bottom line" means just what it says...reviewing the items in any order ensures that nothing is overlooked.

Bob

 

[jdwatson]

Yo Ron !
Could you elaborate on your "Six Configurations" ? I hope this doesn't hijack the thread. I had a portable "sticker" that had Turn-Time-Twist-Throttle-Talk on it. Even in the G1000 172s, it proved useful. After flying a retractable 172 for a while, I still do the GUMP check on fixed gear. No harm in looking out the window and verifying the gear is down. Some laugh at me for checking, but I'm not brave enough to groove aircraft specific habits.

 

[poadeleted20]

Could you elaborate on your "Six Configurations" ?

Not without violating copyright law and/or my contract with PIC, unless you want to call PIC and hire me to teach you, because they are Peter Dogan's, not mine. But you can read all about it in Peter Dogan's "Instrument Flight Training Manual," available from numerous online booksellers for less than 30 minutes of fuel.

I had a portable "sticker" that had Turn-Time-Twist-Throttle-Talk on it.

Did it have a PIC logo on it?

Even in the G1000 172s, it proved useful.

That's my experience -- it's a useful tool in just about any plane.

After flying a retractable 172 for a while, I still do the GUMP check on fixed gear. No harm in looking out the window and verifying the gear is down. Some laugh at me for checking, but I'm not brave enough to groove aircraft specific habits.

Sounds wise to me.

 

[timwinters]

I fly a lot of cross countries and tend to fly vor to vor even though I have two GPS's in the plane...so...

I add two more "T's" to the five...tune & tone.

tune into the next VOR (if it's close enough)
and
tone (listen to the ident)

 

[taters]

Yo Ron !
Could you elaborate on your "Six Configurations" ? I hope this doesn't hijack the thread. I had a portable "sticker" that had Turn-Time-Twist-Throttle-Talk on it. Even in the G1000 172s, it proved useful. After flying a retractable 172 for a while, I still do the GUMP check on fixed gear. No harm in looking out the window and verifying the gear is down. Some laugh at me for checking, but I'm not brave enough to groove aircraft specific habits.

Piper makes a standard placard for this ..I put an extra one in my 150.

 

[jdwatson]

I'll have to find Dogan's book, for now. The sticker was of my own making, just an inkjet printer and some tape.

 

[sarangan]

Turn Time Twist Track Talk ? or is it...........


Time Turn Twist Track Talk??????

Its a waste of time remembering acronyms for this. First you have to decode the acronym, then you have to translate the words to actions. If you just remember the actions and it will be a lot simpler.

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