5 dead in an RV-10?

The wife reported hubby and plane were missing since Tuesday, then the take-off around 2:30 A.M.. I think some type of shenanigans was going on.

Still a sad event no doubt. Did the passengers think this was normal ops? Maybe it was, doesn't seem so.
 
2:30am?
Tragic. 'Been a bad time recently for GA safety. RIP
 
Last I recollect, the RV10 is a 4 seater? Over gross?
38yo pilot and the others in their 20s?

Hopefully there is enough body mass left for toxicology.

Sad to hear these things happening, planes or cars or motorcycles.
 
BillTIZ said:
Last I recollect, the RV10 is a 4 seater? Over gross?
38yo pilot and the others in their 20s?

Hopefully there is enough body mass left for toxicology.

Sad to hear these things happening, planes or cars or motorcycles.
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Not so much over gross but out of cg. I posted this over on AOPA: I seriously doubt it was certified for 5 although it has been done, but usually with kids and not adults in mind. Most, but not all, are certified at a GW of 2700lbs which yields a full fuel useful load in the 700 lbs range. So IF 5 pax are causal to this accident, it boils down to who weighed what and where were they sitting and how much gas was in the tanks. In this scenario unless 2 or 3 of the 5 were skinny minnies you're potentially looking at an excessive aft cg.

Note: Van's recommends a GW of 2700 lbs but the builder ultimately decides what the final number is.
 
Nothing good ever happens at 2:30 in the morning,just a bunch of friends having a good time. May they rest in peace.
 
2:30am departure with a bunch of young people suggests a "hold my beer, watch this" moment.
 
sourdough44 said:
Word is this 'pilot' didn't even have a student solo sign off.
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Looks like that might be a true statement.


Personal Information
WAYLON DAN BOATRIGHT

Address is not available
Medical
Medical Class: Third, Medical Date: 1/2011
MUST WEAR CORRECTIVE LENSES.

Certificates
REPAIRMAN EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT BUILDER
Date of Issue: 3/1/2012
Certificate: REPAIRMAN EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT BUILDER Print

Limits:
INSPECTION CERTIFICATE FOR EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT MAKE BOATRIGHT WAYLON, MODEL RV10, SERIAL NUMBER 40418, CERTIFICATION DATE: 19 DEC 2010.
 
sourdough44 said:
Word is this 'pilot' didn't even have a student solo sign off.
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A couple of weeks ago we had a pilot not rated to fly twins crash his Cessna 310 and kill himself and his passengers. Now we have a person (RV-10 owner) that doesn't have a license or student pilot certificate take 4 others out for a joy ride and killed everyone.

Yet we have members here who revere those who "stick it to the man" and refuse to abide by the regulations and certification requirements. Those same will post in these threads "RIP" and how sad it is they have died, etc, etc.

Yea, who needs all of that useless training and standards, right? It's just an overbearing government agency trying to ruin pilot's "freedom".

Flame away.
 
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RotorAndWing said:
A couple of weeks ago we had a pilot not rated to fly twins crash his Cessna 310 and kill himself and his passengers. Now we have a person (RV-10 owner) that doesn't have a license or student pilot certificate take 4 others out for a joy ride and killed everyone.

Yet we have members here who revel and revere those who "stick it to the man" and refuse to abide by the regulations and certification requirements. Those same will post in these threads "RIP" and how sad it is they have died, etc, etc.

Yea, who needs all of that useless training and standards, right? It's just an overbearing government agency trying to ruin pilot's "freedom".

Flame away.
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Maybe I haven't been here long enough, only four years, but I have never seen a post where someone condoned anything remotely close to those two situations, could you post a link to one?
 
Yes, the government will fix this problem with regulation and oversight...

Wait, they already tried that...with everything... and they suck at it almost as bad as this guy who killed 4 innocent people.

RIP
 
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This is so very sad. I think the result that will come of the investigation is that this was a tragic and unnecessary accident.
 
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mikeinbama said:
Maybe I haven't been here long enough, only four years, but I have never seen a post where someone condoned anything remotely close to those two situations, could you post a link to one?
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I doubt you'll find anyone condoning those actions, but plenty of folks willing to take a blind eye at suck actions. I'm sure that if the RV-10 driver build and flew that plane on a regular basis without a certificate, somebody would have figured that out somewhere along the way. If they're like many of the folks here that squawk "mind your own darn business!" on any thread mentioning a pilot being observed doing some thing unsafe, they'd just keep their mouth shut keep walking.

...and this accident is the inevitable result.
 
Brad Z said:
I doubt you'll find anyone condoning those actions, but plenty of folks willing to take a blind eye at suck actions. I'm sure that if the RV-10 driver build and flew that plane on a regular basis without a certificate, somebody would have figured that out somewhere along the way. If they're like many of the folks here that squawk "mind your own darn business!" on any thread mentioning a pilot being observed doing some thing unsafe, they'd just keep their mouth shut keep walking.

...and this accident is the inevitable result.
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I agree with some of this Brad, there are people that turn a blind eye, but the assertion was people here would condone the actions of the actors in the two mentioned accidents, I haven't seen that in four years here, if I have missed it, show me. I think your last sentence is hyperbole, yes, I have seen some of that, but not "many" folks and not "any" thread.....and with the lack of information, I don't think you can say this was the inevitable result of such actions. Just my .02. Mainly, I'm just bothered that this thread was looking like it would be thought provoking and informative, then someone walks in and takes a dump on "people here"..... You know what I mean? I swear I really try to stay positive.
 
Brad Z said:
I doubt you'll find anyone condoning those actions, but plenty of folks willing to take a blind eye at suck actions. I'm sure that if the RV-10 driver build and flew that plane on a regular basis without a certificate, somebody would have figured that out somewhere along the way. If they're like many of the folks here that squawk "mind your own darn business!" on any thread mentioning a pilot being observed doing some thing unsafe, they'd just keep their mouth shut keep walking.

...and this accident is the inevitable result.
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I might be one that you're referring to??? When others here tell me I should ALWAYS use flaps on takeoff or landing, or the debates about LOP operations, and whether my Mooney can be landed on grass or not... I'm the first one to say "mind your own darn business!" But seriously, flying without a certificate, BFR, IFR currency, and carrying passengers? I haven't seen anyone on these forums defending that type of behavior.
 
Honestly I always thought the POA community in general had more "by the book" rule following extremists than I've seen just about anywhere else.

Not necessarily the worst thing for a group of pilots but either way it seems that way to me sometimes.
 
mikeinbama said:
I agree with some of this Brad, there are people that turn a blind eye, but the assertion was people here would condone the actions of the actors in the two mentioned accidents, I haven't seen that in four years here, if I have missed it, show me. I think your last sentence is hyperbole, yes, I have seen some of that, but not "many" folks and not "any" thread.....and with the lack of information, I don't think you can say this was the inevitable result of such actions. Just my .02. Mainly, I'm just bothered that this thread was looking like it would be thought provoking and informative, then someone walks in and takes a dump on "people here"..... You know what I mean? I swear I really try to stay positive.
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In every "I saw somebody do something that violated regulations and common sense, should I report them?" thread, there are always at least a few responses that are along the lines of "Mind your own business!" My point is that there are some things that are worth minding your own business, but major safety issues? If it is true that he had no certificate, I doubt this was the first time he's flown illegally, and I doubt it's the first time he's brought passengers...and I doubt he's done all this without anyone noticing.

Gsxrpilot said:
I might be one that you're referring to??? When others here tell me I should ALWAYS use flaps on takeoff or landing, or the debates about LOP operations, and whether my Mooney can be landed on grass or not... I'm the first one to say "mind your own darn business!" But seriously, flying without a certificate, BFR, IFR currency, and carrying passengers? I haven't seen anyone on these forums defending that type of behavior.
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No, I'm talking about these sorts of issues...in each case, there's someone saying MYOB...

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53130
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52072
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66155
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73041
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71864
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84976
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46472
 
Hahahaha... I was surfing through your examples and couldn't find any... then I discovered that in each thread there are the same couple of members with that "MYOB" attitude... and they're on my ignore list so I never see their posts.
 
Gsxrpilot said:
Hahahaha... I was surfing through your examples and couldn't find any... then I discovered that in each thread there are the same couple of members with that "MYOB" attitude... and they're on my ignore list so I never see their posts.
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Probably should be on mine too, although at least a few of them are banned by now. Sadly, new pilots come on here and see their advice.
 
mikeinbama said:
Maybe I haven't been here long enough, only four years, but I have never seen a post where someone condoned anything remotely close to those two situations, could you post a link to one?
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He means me.

RIP to the dead.

See, he was right.
 
Odd ..

Why was a 38 year old farmer flying a bunch of 23 and 24 year old kids at 2:30AM?

Why did his wife report him missing days before? Bizarre.
 
Last I checked, there were already regulations governing flying without a certificate and outside of W/B, so I don't think more regs will solve the problem here....




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dans2992 said:
Last I checked, there were already regulations governing flying without a certificate and outside of W/B, so I don't think more regs will solve the problem here....




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Unless I'm misreading something, I don't think anyone suggested more regulation. Rather lets just practice the ones we already have.
 
cowman said:
How would this be accomplished?
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IMHO, just as I said. We need to practice the ones we already have. That's a "voluntary" statement. Notice I didn't say we need to "enforce" the ones we already have (although we need to).
 
Brad the system really is designed to work off honor and self monitoring. These kinds that operate without valid certificates only get caught or identified when they screw up.

Not that that's bad but it's what it is. I know that most aircraft owners could go the rest of their flying life with no Cfi oversight if one chooses to....and or even no maintenance oversight.

Rules and laws are for the law abiding....not the law breakers. :no:

btw....we have more than enough rules to be safe.:nono:
 
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