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If you want concrete examples, I’ve completed almost this exact same route 4 out of 5 times in a spam can, round trip, and cancelled that one time due to weather. Why such a seemingly high dispatch rate? Because my timing was inflexible that one time. A few times the weather was ok. The others I waited to depart a day or two later or I escaped 1-2 days early before the bad weather arrived. So it’s more like 2 out of 10 one-ways that the launch occurred at the exact time I wanted it to.

A big factor in long XC is is that you’re going to cross multiple weather patterns. Rarely is there a nice elongated high pressure system on the starboard side of your plane for the whole flight and at the exact time you need it.

If you can afford the time to adjust your schedule, then it’s doable. But if you have to be there at a certain date, then you’ll need to waste time heading there early or just be late. If leaving a few days earlier is unpalatable, or if you cannot be late, then forget this idea with any $250k plane.

No way am I leaving on a long XC after a full day of brain taxing work.

I truly despise commercial air travel, but it saves time in many cases. I have TSA-pre/Nexus.
 
More uncomfortable than 5 hours crammed into a Delta center seat between two large individuals?
Yes. Especially with a stiff cocktail to make things more comfortable. But with the cost of fuel you'd save not flying yourself, may as well buy 2 seats.
 
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Almost everything I was going to say somebody else said.

This is a situation where you should planning airlines, 100%. On the occasional weekend where the weather is solidly good the whole way, then consider cancelling the airline ticket and fly yourself as a treat. If you forget about nonstop (and you should, 5 hours is a long flight), then the aircraft choices open up. An RV-8 might be a good option, fast, more affordable than standard category aircraft for the same performance, and a lot more fun.

My own situation is a microcosm of yours. I go to the cabin almost every weekend for half of the year. It's only about 100 miles, a 1:45 drive with no traffic, but frequently a miserable 3+ hours with Friday afternoon traffic. Flying is about two hours including the ground drive at each end (my plane is slow, VFR only), but a lot more fun passing the stopped traffic on the interstate. I manage to fly instead of drive only two or three times each year.
 
My boss (CEO) has a seemingly infinite tolerance for travel, and that expectation is part of the gig on his staff. It seems to run with the territory in publicly traded companies. We're international, and with locations diverse enough that a company jet to cover everything is cost-prohibitive. He is also a big believer in setting an example from the top....so we fly cheapest coach fare available for all flights within North America. It's brutal.
This may just be a mental exercise for you. Does your company handbook allow you to fly yourself?

The globals I worked for specifically prohibited personal air travel for very obvious liability reasons.

Get yourself in the DTSB report and your family sues over your commute? Much cleaner to ban personal flights than deal with aftermath lawsuits.
 
…TBM or PC12 come to mind.
Maybe the Cirrus jet. Most of the SE turboprops will do this trip safely and reliably. Older King Airs come to mind, too.
 
This may be the core of it - a plane that would do the job may just be out of reach for me, both in $$$ and personal capability.

The main thing that limits your airplane options (and makes them expensive) is the desire to do this trip without stopping. Tons and tons of airplanes will do this trip with an intermediate stop - but you can plan on such a stop adding about an hour to your trip, making a long trip even longer.

A few other comments:
A still-air range of 1000 nm is not sufficient for a 900 nm trip. Let's say you buy a 170 knot airplane. That's 5.88 hours to go 1000 nm until empty tanks. Now throw in a very typical headwind of 15 knots. Now your 5.88 hours will take you 911 nm until empty. Regardless of not meeting reserve fuel requirements, any weather or ATC rerouting instantly makes the trip not possible. To get a reliable 900 nm in one hop, you need an airplane with a range of at least 1100 nm. (Note - I fly into and out of EFD a lot. The chances of going north and NOT getting extensive rerouting by ATC around the Class B? Exactly zero.)

In any airplane that's likely to fit your budget, this is a 5+ hour trip. A 5-hour trip in an airplane is much more fatiguing than in a car. For one, a piston airplane is much louder. This has a very real physical effect even with the best headsets. Second, turbulence is tiring. If your goal is to work a full day and THEN go flying, well that's a recipe for poor decision making and involuntary inclusion in the NTSB database.

There's a reason that Part 135, 121, and other crews have hard limits on duty day and maximum flight time. And most of those are with 2 pilots.

For example, I fly under Part 135. There is a maximum 14-hour duty day. So if I show up for work at 7:30 AM, the latest I can land is 9:30 PM - even if all I did all day was desk work and then a little flying. Even this is pushing it, and I have a second pilot there to back me up.

Now, a lot of this math and discussion changes a whole ton with turbine equipment, but then you're putting a lot more money into it than your stated budget. A TBM or King Air (certain models) will do this flight easily, in a reasonable amount of time, in comfort, and with excellent dispatch reliability. But obviously cost a lot more.

One more thing about costs, only a few people have brought this up. Flying distances of this length is expensive, both considering fuel AND maintenance and engine reserve for overhaul and all that. Direct fuel costs for a 1000-nm flight in a 170-knot single engine airplane is easily in the $600 range, one way. Add in an hourly amount for engine overhaul, oil changes, and other maintenance, and you're looking at a > $1000 one-way all-in cost. I do love flying, but that's a lot of seat upgrades on the airlines.
 
…All of that being said, taking control of my commute timeline is the single most viable excuse I have come up with to explain to my wife why I ̶n̶e̶e̶d̶ want a plane.

FIFY. This mission screams Mooney 252 or Bravo, with FIKI which is probably in your budget. Two hangars (one here, one there) may help cut down on ramp fees. You’ll want to have good relationship with A&Ps at each airport.

Buying is the single cheapest thing you can do when you spend money on a plane. For kicks and grins, an overhaul will run $35K to $80K+ if you want a zero-time engine.

What you’re asking for is asking a lot out of airplanes that aren’t really designed or engineered for this mission.

Good luck.
 
> Range. Runway to runway is 900 NM, so 1,000 seems reasonable to cover the distance without having to make an intermediate stop.
> Speed. Don't need a speed demon, necessarily, but don't want to be trundling along at 140 knots, either. Altitude capability helps, obviously.
> IFR/Weather capability. FIKI cert would be nice, some sort of de-ice is probably a firm requirement.
If you want these three things, then I'm not sure why this is on your list:
4) Diamond DA40. These look expensive for anything that hasn't been beaten to death or needs an engine. Am I missing something?
The DA40 is a GREAT aircraft, but it does not have this range, it does trundle along at 130-140 knots, and it absolutely does not have any de-ice capability.

A Cessna 210 sounds like it would fit your mission well. Some are equipped with Boots, others can be equipped with TKS.
 
I don't mind Barons being on this list (add 55s unless you need the seats, and the 56TC would be a nice ice rocket if someone else is buying the gas) -- but most are 136 gallon fuel setups, and for a 900nm mission, that's pretty marginal -- I'd look for at least the 166 gallon barons to do this comfortably.

In before someone suggests an SR-71 :p
 
Possibly. For the 252s and Bravos, I’d suggest mooneyspace, but I *think* @Pinecone has a K/231 and can talk to it generally.

If I was serious about a turbo Mooney, Maxwell is who I’d be talking to.
 
Having flown regularly from Chicago to North Carolina, all I can say is get an Instrument Rating first. Then look for aircraft. To make life a lot easier and more affordable in the type of aircraft you are looking for, plan on a fuel and restroom break about half way. I had a Cessna Turbo 210. For the kind of legs and weather you will be looking at, you definitely need a turbocharged engine. This will get you above a lot of the weather and icing. The T-210 is a great aircraft and with the Flint tip tanks, you have a lot of range. You will be confronted with headwinds, mostly heading to Wisconsin from Texas. Stay low out of the headwinds and go high with the tailwinds. With the T210 we would regularly go to FL 190 or 210 southeast bound and come home at anywhere from 5 to 8,000 into the headwinds. My last aircraft was a Piper Aerostar 601P, if you have more experience. Pressurized, air-conditioned and fast. Absolutely the world's best flying piston twin, but with any complex aircraft, you need to stay ahead of the maintenance for it to be reliable. Over 4 years of ownership, I never had to cancel a trip due to maintenance. If you are looking for economy, look at a turbocharged Piper Twin Comanche. On those nights when it's cold, rainy, snowing and just plain nasty, it's nice to look out and see an engine on each wing giving your a redundant engine, alternator and peace of mind! Happy hunting!
 
This may be the core of it - a plane that would do the job may just be out of reach for me, both in $$$ and personal capability.
You’ve just swallowed the Red Pill.

The fact that it’s out of reach right now doesn’t mean a thing about the future; it especially shouldn’t put a damper on your flight training. Get your PPL, buy a Cherokee/172/Tiger (or join a club) and fly as much as possible, taking the family hundreds of miles from home. You’ll get frustrated at weather cancellations and pursue an instrument rating. After that, upgrade to a Bonanza/Mooney/Cirrus. By now, you‘ve been flying several years and have maybe 300-500 hours. That’s a good time to look at your work situation and decide if your personal finances, endurance, schedule, and risk tolerance encourage commuting by GA. Try it a couple of times and you’ll conclude that the Cirrus you bought isn’t enough airplane for this mission. Then it’s time to get serious about weather flying over long distances. That means kerosene.

It’s a wonderful adventure, but it can’t be rushed.
 
Yeah, I think that happened a while back.

My intent is to go straight into IR training, and complete it before purchasing a plane. Experience with racing cars taught me that you don't really know what you want to buy until you've done enough to develop your preferences. Houston has a number of rental opportunities, ranging from C172 to SR22T (at utterly ludicrous wet rates for the Cirrus).

Yeah, that's how I found myself in SCCA national competition driving Formula E. Looking back, it was an incredibly stupid way to spend my kids' inheritance. Of course, I would absolutely do it again. :biggrin:
Funny! Same here except Formula Mazda. Now Formula C....182...LOL. Made my share of laps at MSR Houston.
 
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Surprisingly low acquisition price. I'm guessing that the operating costs are significant. I struggle with a path to being certified in type for something like that.....
My BIL was thinking about one, IIRC he said about $900/hour fuel cost in cruise, more like $1500 if you're doing acro. Instead he checks other pilots out in their planes so they pay for the fuel.
 
That's missing part of the issue - flying out of IAH and MKE (commercial) is a major part of my current problem. I have GA airports 5 minutes from my place in Wisconsin (ketb) and 15 minutes from my place in Galveston County (kefd). That's nearly 2 hours of driving cut out of the picture.

That said, I get your point. Increasing my life insurance might be the best approach.....

Well, I have been learning to say "no" a lot more than I ever have before.

My boss (CEO) has a seemingly infinite tolerance for travel, and that expectation is part of the gig on his staff. It seems to run with the territory in publicly traded companies. We're international, and with locations diverse enough that a company jet to cover everything is cost-prohibitive. He is also a big believer in setting an example from the top....so we fly cheapest coach fare available for all flights within North America. It's brutal.

So, aside from being able to control the personal travel between office and home (1-2 trips/month) I am stuck with it if I want to stay employed.
Fully understand the situation with your boss, although my experience has been that those kinds of situations are often self-remedying. Either the boss retires, keels over from a stroke, or otherwise moves on and someone with more normal travel expectations takes his or her place. Or, the company goes on a cost-saving binge, and starts to cut travel. It was music to my ears when my previous company decided to tighten their belt and sent a mass e-mail stating "all travel requests will be strictly scrutinized for necessity." My travel requirements went to zero, and my happiness level went up.

Along with that, something to keep in the back of your mind. Sometimes a corporation will put a large travel burden on someone they're trying to force out. There may be various legal hurdles to firing or laying someone off. There are zero legal hurdles to requiring a punitive level of travel. Not saying that's the case here, just pointing it out.

Understood if the boss pushes cheapest coach fare. Those kinds of requirements put you in between a rock and a hard place (or more literally, between two other flyers in the middle seat in the back of the airplane). In those kind of situations, I've taken to just upgrading myself and eating the cost. Alternatively, if you're flying that much, you should hopefully be getting some free upgrades here and there. Alternatively, getting TSA Pre-check, CLEAR, and whatever else makes the security line easier can help.

Others with much more experience than I have touched on the various challenges with taking a piston aircraft from Wisconsin to Houston. One creative approach after poking around the map a bit: What about flying from home into Midway Airport (Chicago) then Southwest down to Houston Hobby? Houston Hobby gets you much closer to Galveston County than IAH, with the benefit Hobby being a much easier airport to navigate than IAH. To add, Southwest runs four flights a day from MDW to HOU, so lots of options. Drawbacks would probably be the high cost of 100LL at MDW, as well as additional logistical challenges of what to do if you get stuck at MDW (hotels, etc). The FBOs there offer a snooze room at least, though. And, while MDW is often forgotten in the shadow of ORD, the city of Chicago (along with SWA) have put a lot of money into MDW over the years. It's a decent travel option.

Interesting thread nonetheless. I remember all the old Cessna ads stating something to the effect of "A mile of highway takes you a mile. A mile of runway can take you wherever you want to go." Teenage me dreamt of all the various places a single engine piston could take you. Adult me came to appreciate all of the caveats that came with that "mile of runway takes you anywhere" statement (weather, performance limitations, etc).
 
It was music to my ears when my previous company decided to tighten their belt and sent a mass e-mail stating "all travel requests will be strictly scrutinized for necessity."

I recall when Lockheed tried that, many years ago. Previously, travel requests had required approval from a senior manager or director, so to reduce travel LM corporate directed that all travel had to be approved by a VP. The VPs immediately delegated that task to their secretaries.

The policy didn't last very long.
 
1- or 2-person XC travel from Houston to SE Wisconsin? I'm a dual resident, working on PPL, and want an option for my commute that doesn't involve TSA every....single.....week. Parameters are:
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Thoughts on these? Are there any in this category that I have missed?

One of the pleasant aspects of being late to a thread is the realization that there’s a great deal of knowledge and wisdom on PoA. If you’re still following replies, I’d like to show support for some of the previous replies and add a couple of notes from my perspective.

Insurance will limit your options.

1000nm range is not sufficient to reliably and safely fly your proposed route. You will sometimes require alternate(s), and depending on local weather characteristics, the closest usable alternate may be 100nm or more from your destination. Enroute winds may not be favorable. A line of convective weather may require a detour. Etc.

A route of that distance, in that part of the country, may traverse several different weather systems. Of particular note, thunderstorms will pose significant challenges from late March through September; and as you are aware, icing will be a contender during the winter months. Being properly equipped to deal with these contingencies is important, but equipment alone does not ensure success. Experience, and a devotion to the craft (so to speak) are also necessary.

Those who cautioned against undertaking a flight of that duration after a long day of work are absolutely right. Fatigue is an insidious killer—pilots often do not recognize the seriousness of their cognitive and physical impairment until it’s too late (if at all). Even well-rested, a 6-hour flight can be quite tiring.

Your experience: We don’t know what we don’t know, and especially when we are relatively new to flying, there's a LOT that we don't know that we don't know. To quote another cliché, a pilot license (all of them) is a license to learn. Hiring an experienced and competent pilot to fly with you until you gain some real-world experience is good advice, especially if you can get someone who has logged many long X-C trips, preferably in GA aircraft.

As if that were not enough to contemplate, I think that there are other important considerations that haven't been mentioned. Do you really like flying? Would you enjoy the challenges presented by planning and executing flights in an aircraft with limited capabilities, in widely varying weather conditions? An enthusiasm for flying makes it much easier to endure, and perhaps enjoy, some of the downsides that traveling in GA aircraft impose.

Further, and perhaps most importantly: do you possess the ability and willingness to accurately and honestly assess risk, and to say “NO” when such risk presents a significant threat to the safety of your flight—even when you feel strong internal and external pressure to press on?

Of the airplanes you listed, the Cirrus, from my perspective, doesn’t have enough range. The Bonanza with tip tanks (depending on which model Bonanza), can do it with relative ease. The PA46 is a good contender.

For your consideration: I used to fly an F33 Bonanza with Osborne tip tanks, with a total fuel capacity of 120 gallons. The tip tanks gave that airplane about 8.4hrs endurance at a cruise speed of 155kts with 1 hour reserve, so still-air range was, realistically about 1250nm. At the time I was living in San Francisco, and my parents lived in central Texas, far from the nearest airport with airline service. I made many trips from the Bay area to a small GA airport about 15 minutes from my parents’ place. The distance was approximately 1100nm. The Bonanza cut 2.5 hours off of the time required to fly commercial and drive, including the time required to flight plan, fuel, and pre-flight the airplane. It’s important to add that, on all of those trips the weather was good VMC all the way. It’s also worth noting that, due to winds, I was not able to comfortably make the westbound return flight without a fuel stop. Not having to deal with TSA and traveling on my own schedule hugely favored the Bonanza. Plus, I really like flying.

As for the PA46, that would be my first choice of the airplanes mentioned. I had the opportunity to fly one of the very early Malibus back in about 1985. While I did not find the handling characteristics to be (subjectively) appealing, the performance capabilities and comfort are as close to ideal for your mission as you are likely to find in a piston single. The 310hp engine that was original to the type proved to be problematic, but the 350hp engine seems to be much better.

Lastly, if you’ve read this far, it’s great to read that you are learning to fly, and planning to put your skills to practical use. Whatever you decide to do, I wish you the best.

RW
 
I think there is another issue altogether. If the OP is just now working on his private certificate, he is a long, long way from being comfortable with a trip like this. A couple of years. Getting IFR rated is not the immediate answer. Between Wisconsin winters and Texas/Oklahoma/Kansas summers, there is an awful lot of weather to make this a difficult trip even for a very proficient pilot. Generally speaking, anytime you fly more than 400 miles you are likely to encounter a different weather system.

Depending on which model the Bonanza is, the speed may be OK. My 1967 V-Tail did 175 knots, but I did not have tip tanks. Flying from Kalamazoo to Denver, I always made a fuel stop in Nebraska. But in a friend's A-36 with the tip tanks, we flew non-stop from San Diego to Beatrice, Nebraska at 17,000 feet. Nice tail wind at that altitude going east.
 
...The only problem with the Bonanza is speed (or lack thereof)....or am I wrong about that? There's one for sale by a major carrier pilot whom I know and trust, but it's pretty old, even with limited time. It could be a way to get into owning at a lower price point, though, and get through IR in something that can get me to and from, even if it's a two-stage trip most of the time.

There are some pilots who are not fans of the Bonanzas, but speed is rarely--if ever--cited as a reason. Fuel capacity depends on the vintage--I think the early Bonanzas had only 40 gal tanks. Many of the 1950s models had 50 gal tanks and optional 20 gal aux tanks. In the sixties, 80 gal tanks (74 usable) became standard. Most, if not all, Bonanza models can be fitted with aftermarket tip tanks under STC. There are two tip tank options that I know of: BDS tanks add 30 gal (I think); and Osborne tanks add 40. From the mid 1960s up, any model Bonanza with tip tanks would allow you to cruise at 165-170kts and land with an hour or more of reserve fuel. If you become interested in Bonanzas, the BeechTalk forum has a wealth of info (can I mention that on PoA?).

PA46 is a very nice plane, but seems out of my price range. Might be worth renting while building up cash, or looking at upgrading after spending time in a Bo...?

Sorry, I neglected to research current market prices. It's possible that the early (mid 1980s) Malibus might fall into your budget range.

Thank you - I very much appreciate the thoughtful response.

Thanks for enduring my long-winded post.
 
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The only problem with the Bonanza is speed (or lack thereof)....or am I wrong about that?

PA46 is a very nice plane, but seems out of my price range. Might be worth renting while building up cash, or looking at upgrading after spending time in a Bo...?
There's a couple problem with v-tail Bo's ...but lack of speed isnt on that list. At least not on my list. 160 knots is pretty damn sporty. Magnesium ruddervators...no thank you.

Is renting a pa46 a thing?? I've read in a number of places that an annual inspection on a pressurized pa46 without squawks is in the 20-25k a year range. And insurance is about the same.
 
What's wrong with them? Beech/Textron says that they are making replacement skins and ruddervators, so they can be repaired/replaced.


Not exactly.

“The price is $23,800 per ruddervator. None are in stock and Mr. Duckett tells me there is a one year lead time.
I asked, and was told there are no current plans to sell replacement ruddervator skins to repair existing ruddervators.”

So no skins, and a set of ruddervators is nearly $50k and a year wait.
 
Has anyone suggested first buying a Cherokee 140 to fly to get your private and your instrument ratings? Save a lot of money, learn about aircraft ownership and then you have an asset to sell reasonably when you’re ready to upgrade. Then you can buy and fly a more expensive plane for the cross country trips you’d like to make.
 
Not exactly.

“The price is $23,800 per ruddervator. None are in stock and Mr. Duckett tells me there is a one year lead time.
I asked, and was told there are no current plans to sell replacement ruddervator skins to repair existing ruddervators.”

So no skins, and a set of ruddervators is nearly $50k and a year wait.
And that's why it'd enough for me to take a pass. That's a 70k wild card (after labor) I want no part of.
 
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And that's why it'd enough for me to take a pass. That's a 70k wild card (after labor) I want no part of.
$8000 each, undrilled. I’m sure it isn’t easy work, drilling skins using ribs as templates, but to get to $70k you’re talking about $56,000 in labor. Not impossible, I guess.

I’ve been a Bonanza guy (not currently owning one), and surrounded by Bonanza guys, for 15 years. In that time I’ve never spoken to anyone who had to get ruddervators re-skinned. Obviously, there are some, but it isn’t common.

A bigger, real issue is W&B. Always, ALWAYS run your own W&B on any short-body Bo before looking at it in person. The aft CG problem is real.

OTOH, if people trash talk them enough, maybe the prices will come down to where I can get one again!
 
Has anyone suggested first buying a Cherokee 140 to fly to get your private and your instrument ratings?

That said, the option of buying a less expensive plane to pack in a bunch of hours once I complete PPL might make sense (I need to run the numbers).


Be advised that some Cherokees have had a problem with the wings landing at different locations than the fuselages. Search for “Piper wing spar AD” and do a little reading before you start shopping. It mostly effects planes that have been used for training extensively.
 
Be advised that some Cherokees have had a problem with the wings landing at different locations than the fuselages. Search for “Piper wing spar AD” and do a little reading before you start shopping. It mostly effects planes that have been used for training extensively.
If you want to be precise, that would be 3. A pipeline workhorse flown in turbulence for thousands of hours 20 or so years ago, A poorly maintained and overstressed Arrow that had allegedly been used for aerobatics at ERAU and one in P-town mass, where weather was determined to be the primary cause. That's out of 10's of thousands of actively flying Cherokee's. I feel very comfortable in mine and have no issues flying friends or family.
 
Straight tail Bonanzas are a thing. And there is an Aluminum skin STC for the elevator on those. If 8k magnesium repair skins make you abandon the type, well... maybe get a boat? All of these planes are goats with wings and capable of chewing a 5-column sized hole in your checkbook.
 
I owned a V35 for 17 years and could not think of a better single-engine cross-country airplane. The only expensive annuals I had were when the prop had to be overhauled and when the fuel bladders had to be replaced. Compared to the SR-22, it burned 4-5 gallons an hour less, had a better useful load, comparable speeds and priced a lot less.

I sold it when I retired from full time work and it was past TBO. In those 17 years, it was never down for maintenance more than a week.
 
$8000 each, undrilled. I’m sure it isn’t easy work, drilling skins using ribs as templates, but to get to $70k you’re talking about $56,000 in labor. Not impossible, I guess.

I’ve been a Bonanza guy (not currently owning one), and surrounded by Bonanza guys, for 15 years. In that time I’ve never spoken to anyone who had to get ruddervators re-skinned. Obviously, there are some, but it isn’t common.

A bigger, real issue is W&B. Always, ALWAYS run your own W&B on any short-body Bo before looking at it in person. The aft CG problem is real.

OTOH, if people trash talk them enough, maybe the prices will come down to where I can get one again!
Was actually using the numbers @Half Fast supplied as well as the number for skins. 16,700 for both skins + 47,600 ruddervators= 64,300 total parts. 5700 in labor seemed reasonable
 
Just adding on (most of this has already been mentioned).

I did something similar to this. I was a contract instructor and used a 182RG to fly to week long classes around the country. I was based in the Chicago area at the time and my longest trip doing that was to Boston. Although most were around 600nm. I had a "provisional", refundable ticket that I just kept rolling over in the event of weather or mechanical problems (when you're teaching the class, you simply CAN'T no-show). Most of the classes were in major cities so direct flights on United of American were almost a sure thing.

One of my motivations for flying myself was that we couldn't book the flight home on Friday until 6pm because you really never knew when you were going to finish on Friday. But 99% of the time, we would be done around lunch. Flying commercial, that means going standby on Friday afternoon (good luck with that), or killing 4-6 hours until your flight home. Often, I wouldn't get home until 10pm or later. But when I flew myself, sometimes I would be home for dinner! So I get the time issue you're dealing with.

Having said all that, there's no way this is practical for a number of reasons.

You say it's miserable sitting in a middle seat between two big guys? Have you spent 5 non-stop hours in a SEP airplane? I've done 4.5 in the Cessna and I would not want to do that again. Even in my Velocity with the nicest, most comfortable seats (and expensive) seats I've ever sat in, five hours non-stop week after week would wear me down to the point that I wasn't looking forward to the flight (and when you get to that point, you shouldn't be flying anyway). Besides, I guess it's the vibration, but most people don't have the same bladder endurance in a piston airplane that they do in a car. So don't assume you'll be able to make that 5 hours non-stop. Yeah, you can do gatorade bottles. Been there, done that, not a fan.

Buying the airplane is only the start. Hangars in both locations, fuel and maintenance. Insurance on a high performance, retract for a low-time pilot is going to be eye watering. And 10 hours per week (assuming you flew every week) is going to put you in engine overhaul range in about 4 years. I haven't looked at overhaul prices for a TSIO550 but I bet it's impressive these days.

Weather is going to prevent a lot of flights (even with FIKI). And when it happens while you're away, then what? You get a ticket and fly home? Now someone has to make the 90 minute round trip drive to get you home. And the 90 minute drive to get you back to the airport so you can get back to work. Or you spend the weekend away from home? And then the weather messes up your flight home the following week and you get to deal with it all over again. I have spent many nights away from home waiting on weather when I would have been home in bed if I had flown the airlines... Then again, the reverse is true too (but not nearly as often).

My suggestion is to get a CFI, rent the closest plane to what you're thinking of and go up for five hours, non-stop. And be focusing on flying. No watching videos or reading books. Because when you're doing this for real, you'll be the PIC. Who knows, maybe you'll really like sitting there for five hours. Then you just have to make the money work and figure out the logistics of cancelled flights for weather or maintenance.

My suggestion is to spend that same money on upgrading your tickets to first class. But where's the fun in that? ;)
 
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The problem I see with the OP's original question is reliability. GA aircraft are not a reliable travel means. Weather, MX, etc., means you have to be flexible, and it doesn't sound like the OP's situation offers much of that. Its not that a trip of that kind isn't possible, but doing it every Friday/Monday without variation would be difficult. Especially winter IMC in Wisconsin, there will be times where a FIKI aircraft will just get you in deep enough to get hurt.
 
By now, sage advice tendered here has driven-home the fact that travel in light aircraft is not as simple as getting into a car and turning the key. And yet, many pilots do successfully and frequently use GA aircraft for business travel.

If I read StraightnLevel's posts correctly, he (she?) seems to be fully aware that the proposed trip will not always possible (or advisable, to make an important distinction) and is prepared to brave the horrors of airline travel or scrub the trip altoghether when necessary.

While the OP's mission presents certain challenges, I maintain that it is quite doable--the question is, how often would he find himself crammed into seat 33B while his airplane languishes in the hangar.

Since the OP is working on his PPL and attempting to determine the future feasibility of the proposed mission, it might be interesting to compile some data. Take about 15 minutes every day to plan the proposed flight using a flight planning app or service. Given the real-world conditions encountered each day, note whether the flight could be reasonably completed in VFR conditions, IFR conditions, or not at all. For example, today's trip would be made in seat 33B due in part to AIRMETS for icing along much of the route and low ceilings over a widespread area surrounding the destination. Keep score long enough to achieve confidence that the data provide a realistic approximation of the dispatch reliability that can be expected (which of course will vary with the seasons). Another benefit to running this excercise is that the OP will gain considerable experience with the flight planning process, which will be helpful no matter what he decides to do later. Unless he finds this thread too discouraging and quits, which I hope will not be the case.
 
By now, sage advice tendered here has driven-home the fact that travel in light aircraft is not as simple as getting into a car and turning the key. And yet, many pilots do successfully and frequently use GA aircraft for business travel.

One of our old sayings around here, "Time to spare, go by air!"
 
If you can make a Yogi Berra joke about this whole thing, you may just have a chance at it after all.

If it's phrased into the perspective of flying it when you can, and either finding an alternative or T/C when you can't, it just might work.
 
No, at least not yet. I want to at the minimum achieve the PPL, just because it's something I've always wanted to do. The pain of dealing with the major airlines pushed me over the edge to start, but that by itself wouldn't have led me here.
Excellent. Reading your posts and your replies, I'm left with the impression that you are the type of individual who can successfully make it work for you, and do so safely.
 
One of our old sayings around here, "Time to spare, go by air!"
Yeah, that old saying predates PoA by about 5 decades, maybe more.

If you really have time to spare, go by bicycle. But that's another thread.
 
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