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Understood.
Yes, never consider anything outside your imagined reality, your entire universe may collapse.
I thought so too. That's leaving yourself wide open for a visit from the feds.
If the Feds were going to visit me for what I write, they would have visited me long ago. So far I still have all my security clearances and have no trouble on renewal.
What someone is capable of is not what makes someone a threat. What they want to do with that capability determines that.
KSCessnaDriver
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gasp!
The only time you have too much ammo is when the place is on fire...
I never said you can have too much ammo, but you can have too many different types to keep a decent supply on hand.
Besides, ammo in a fire doesn't really do much more than fizzle a bunch with some pops added by the primers.
If recent history is any guide, being able to use many different calibers ensures the most reliable supply.
KSCessnaDriver
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Most of mine you can't find in most stores. 5.45x39, the only store I've ever found it in is Academy Sports (and local gunshops). Never seen it at the big box retailers. 7.62x25 I find once in a while at Cabela's. I forgot I have 7.62x38r, that's online order only. You can find 7.62x54R in stores, but its all super expensive stuff, not the cheap surplus I shoot.
denverpilot
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My imagined reality where I'm not using guns to shoot anyone?
Pretty sure I know who has the overactive imagination driving their thought process instead of reality here. And it isn't me.
Troll away, sir. It's pure entertainment like most fiction.
happypilot876
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At minimum it's a good reminder to make triple sure of your backstop before you go out to the fence line for some plinking, and to not eff around when you do. Granted he was holding really high above the target, but still he showed a 9mm can go 1000yds.
What you use a gun for has absolutely no bearing on what the intended use of a gun is, WTF, you think you are the center of creation and history radiates from you?
I will bet more people in history have killed someone (human) with a gun than those who have shot only targets competitively.
I bet more people have killed something with a gun than there are people who have fired a gun and never killed anything with it.
I bet there is at least a 5:1 disparity between either group (the first far, far, far, more if you consider it all the way back to the first firearm.
I bet more people have killed something with a gun than there are people who have fired a gun and never killed anything with it.
I bet there is at least a 5:1 disparity between either group (the first far, far, far, more if you consider it all the way back to the first firearm.
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Kinda delussional, but whatever, no big deal. It just makes me wonder why people choose to lie to themselves about such an obvious issue?Is it because you are afraid to admit to yourself that your fear lead you to buying a gun and becoming proficient with it?
The first step to solving a problem is admitting to yourself you have one.
Don't kill um......
Shoot both kneecaps off.. It is alot more fun to watch them pull themselves along the ground with their hands......
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Don't kill um......
Shoot both kneecaps off.. It is alot more fun to watch them pull themselves along the ground with their hands......
Stupid at best. If you are going to shoot someone, you kill them, life isn't some movie. You don't leave a threat you need to be shooting at alive.
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He certainly thinks it is. Henning's always right. Just ak him.
Trust me.... They don't crawl far before they bleed out...
Makes it easier for the cops to find the body.
Cell phones are for calling 911; right after they've bled to death.
Every year, a couple of people die from 'celebratory gunfire' when projectiles fired in the air come back down. You will find people who will argue that this can't possibly happen yet it does.
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Wasn't there a mythbusters episode on that?
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About 15 minutes before midnight they would hold all shots fired calls and have all the units meet up somewhere under cover.
We occasionally heard a bullet strike the roof we were under.
Some time after midnight we'd no-report most of the shots fired calls, and then start reporting the damage caused by falling bullets.
I do not recall anyone actually being injured by a falling bullet, but it has happened.
Always thought if you did decide to shoot someone, doing it around midnight on New Year's Eve would have its advantages!
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I don't know why you all are so tough on Henning (although he does obviously troll sometimes), he is mostly correct about the purpose of guns.
If you look at the history of firearms, all guns were originally absolutely created to to kill people on the battlefield. Firearms were designed to defeat body armor and transformed the battlefield entirely over the next hundred years. Those original gunsmiths were not thinking about punching holes in paper, or some sport of target shooting.
However, fast forward to today and we find that there are very much firearms that have been designed for nothing but punching holes in paper, or dinging metallic plates. Here are some examples-
Could these guns be used to kill? Absolutely! However, so could a hammer, a chainsaw, or a kitchen knife. They were not designed, or intended to kill anything.
Having said that, most guns have been designed and intended to kill either people, or animals. I know that every one except one in my collection was. However, not all guns were designed, or intended to kill anymore than the hammer, the chainsaw, or kitchen knife.
Henning is mostly right about the basic intent of firearms, but ultimately he is trolling so that he can spout off about hydrogen, fiat currency, banking cabals, evolution of our species, anarchy and ultimately God and our potential destiny out in the galaxy.
If you look at the history of firearms, all guns were originally absolutely created to to kill people on the battlefield. Firearms were designed to defeat body armor and transformed the battlefield entirely over the next hundred years. Those original gunsmiths were not thinking about punching holes in paper, or some sport of target shooting.
However, fast forward to today and we find that there are very much firearms that have been designed for nothing but punching holes in paper, or dinging metallic plates. Here are some examples-
Could these guns be used to kill? Absolutely! However, so could a hammer, a chainsaw, or a kitchen knife. They were not designed, or intended to kill anything.
Having said that, most guns have been designed and intended to kill either people, or animals. I know that every one except one in my collection was. However, not all guns were designed, or intended to kill anymore than the hammer, the chainsaw, or kitchen knife.
Henning is mostly right about the basic intent of firearms, but ultimately he is trolling so that he can spout off about hydrogen, fiat currency, banking cabals, evolution of our species, anarchy and ultimately God and our potential destiny out in the galaxy.
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I don't know why you all are so tough on Henning (although he does obviously troll sometimes), he is mostly correct about the purpose of guns.
If you look at the history of firearms, all guns were originally absolutely created to to kill people on the battlefield. Firearms were designed to defeat body armor and transformed the battlefield entirely over the next hundred years. Those original gunsmiths were not thinking about punching holes in paper, or some sport of target shooting.
However, fast forward to today and we find that there are very much firearms that have been designed for nothing but punching holes in paper, or dinging metallic plates. Here are some examples-
Could these guns be used to kill? Absolutely!
That one will, I have one in 45/70, with a 30 cal herritt, 22 mag, 357 herritt, and a 410 barrels.
I've only shot it twice with the 45/70, that hurts.
W. Stewart
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I sincerely doubt that. Reference, please!!
I grew up with guns, am comfortable with them, have hunted all my life, and have plenty of guns in the gun safe (even though I have not shot anything but a shotgun in several years), but I am disgusted by the steady diet of shootings in this country (and, increasingly, abroad).
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denverpilot
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The only place there's a "steady diet" of shootings is on the news, where they conveniently don't talk about the deaths caused by a whole lot of other things that happen far more often than shootings, because they're somehow more acceptable to society and less "newsworthy". In other words, they'd be pushed right off the nightly script if say, accidental falls at home were in some way controversial. Propaganda at its finest.
denverpilot
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P.S. Which would indicate that if you don't like the "steady diet", the problem is the diet itself. Just like food, one chooses what to injest. News stations are essentially McDonalds junk food for your brain.
Stewartb
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Keep in mind this report is for all gun deaths. Rifles, shotguns, handguns, legal, illegal, intentional, accidental, and suicides included. The same can be said of the other categories but it seems important to qualify for you anti-handgun folks.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm
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Yep. I love when they use the term "gun violence" as if the gun caused the act. How about PEOPLE violence. We tolerate 40,000 highway deaths per year, but one person gets shot, and its big news.
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I understand and know that they were made up til the 60s and possibly beyond but the design is from the late 1880s. It is about the only revolver which is reasonable to suppress because the cartridge case is longer than necessary to hold the bullet and acts as a seal between the barrel and cylinder. The cylinder moves forward as the trigger is pulled and pushes the case into the barrel creating a seal. Its still not a very effective piece due to the low velocity and light bullet but it is an example of a suppressible revolver.
Frank
Unintentional firearms injuries dont even show up in CDC statistics for unintentional injuries as they only show the top 5. There is the occasional kaboom where someone finds a piece of a slide embedded in his face or negligent discharges that injure the shooter of a bystander, but those are few and far in between. The only way you arrive at meaningful numbers is by lumping in intentional firearms injuries (mostly criminal) and suicides.
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I'm a firm believer that you have a right to own guns, I also believe that there are people that should not be allowed to own guns, the problem becomes "who are they"?
We have no national data base of those who are mentally deficient, or who is a convected felon, Plus the fact that our most horrific crimes are by those who have no prior records.
So. what good would any of our laws be if there is no method of finding those who should not be allowed to own guns?
My personal opinion is training would reduce the gun violence, each kid in school should be required to pass a gun ownership class prior to graduation.
And put some teeth in the law, when convected harsh and immediate punishment for those who misuse their firearms.
We have no national data base of those who are mentally deficient, or who is a convected felon, Plus the fact that our most horrific crimes are by those who have no prior records.
So. what good would any of our laws be if there is no method of finding those who should not be allowed to own guns?
My personal opinion is training would reduce the gun violence, each kid in school should be required to pass a gun ownership class prior to graduation.
And put some teeth in the law, when convected harsh and immediate punishment for those who misuse their firearms.
Stewartb
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The CDC statistics page I linked is focused on mortality. "All Firearm Deaths" by definition does not address or include injury statistics unless the patient died as a result of the injuries. I don't understand what point you're making.
I am pretty sure there is a national database for felons....
All the mentally ill are identifiable through databases as well.
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I am pretty sure there is a national database for felons....
show it to me
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show it to me
NCIC......
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How can there be when there is no defined statement of what mental illness is.
There is one data base for the FBI, it is not available to the public, or the gun sales folks.
we once asked the ATF for exactly what I mentioned, It was called "Quick Check." It was shot down by the SCOTUS. due to it's infringement of privacy.
The Some states carry a data base of the convected felons some do not.
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That is the FBI's data base, it is incomplete, and only the record of the federal convictions, and does not name the mentally ill.
It is not the cure for our gun problem. simply because there is no method of predicting who will go crazy tomorrow.
Our most horrific school shooting were committed by juveniles that would have never been in any data base.