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If you pursue this please feel free to PM me and let me know what they do to you. I am currently pursuing an alternative option to the 12 steps to get into my pilot license which has been difficult due to my excessive drinking in college. I am doing Rational Recovery as a method of permanent...

don't you see anything ironic about quitting drinking because you cannot control your drinking? LOL

I couldn't agree with you more. Which is why I have quit drinking completely, for forever.

Ok. This relieves some of my concern. Thanks for sharing, I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one with the concern.

You are correct on some points but also express some common misperceptions about RR. There is no such thing as 'early recovery' in RR. Everyone in RR is issued a zero tolerance policy, and it is understood by all members that they have already used up all of their relapses, once you start RR you...

Alternative approach to achieve total abstinence.

I contacted the HIMS AME that Doc Bruce recommended. I think I will move forward with him as he seemed to be a reasonable person. I basically just told him the day of my last drink, and explained to him I would like to do an alternative approach to total abstinence to get my special issuance. He...

Thanks for the constructive advice. I will definitely keep that in mind.

I'm not going to carry around my own soap everywhere I go that's absolutely ridiculous.

Wow. You'd have to take it up with the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, they know more about urine tests than I do. But it really doesn't matter. I didn't say that about the EtG test, the federal government made the official statement that the test is unreliable...

....Which leaves lots of gaps. Were they at least ethyl glucuronides? (a test whcih covers eight day spans?) Not sure if I would want to get these done. According to an advisory issued by the substance abuse and mental health services administration the EtG test may be too inaccurate to be...

Human beings are diverse and there are lots of factors that make us all unique. It's hardly defiant to say there is a need for alternative approaches to total abstinence outside of the 12 steps. It is not a one a size fits all approach because we are all different. I sounded 'vague' about...

yes I have been abstinent as I explained in my original post and that I am coming up on the 2 year mark of zero alcohol consumption. I have gotten a few urine tests over the last ~1.5 years. About 3 or 4 total. My abstinence is acknowledged by the FAA and a AME I have been talking too...

so back to me, what tests should I get to prove my abstinence? should I do that liver enzyme test?

If so it won't matter what program you were on. The want proof of abstinence, and proof of recovery activities, for 2 years. These are the key. THIS. Can you tell me how do I prove it? Liver enzyme test? and how many do I have to do or does one test basically go back for years? It's pretty...

Hello, I am trying to get into a 3rd class medical/special issuance, however I did a fair amount of drinking in college and have had several documented events of public intoxication from my younger days. I have come to the conclusion that I will never get my flying license unless I put away...