Concealed carry and GA

So, I I am going to carry a firearm as part of an emergency kit...but I don’t want to leave it in the airplane (for obvious reasons)...?
 
Conceal means conceal. Do that properly and there is nothing to worry about. Easy to do, everyone has lumpy things in their pocket these days. Hell, my iPhone XS Max is harder to conceal than a firearm.
 
Clip4 said:
Most LEOs are trained to recognize concealed weapons. Once you are in a public building where the weapons are prohibited their training then gives them reasonable suspicion for a pat down and you ass is headed to jail on a felony weapons charge.
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If they could effectively detect firearms based on their training and eyes, they wouldn’t have metal detectors.
 
In a state where open carry and concealed carry are covered under the same license, people often don’t conceal as well as they used to before the same permit covered open.

But for the reference above, it specifically refers to the sterile portions of an airport, and a few other references. So I suspect most GA does not fall under it, but the sterile portion of an airport may not always be as obvious to predict as we would like.
 
Clip4 said:
Most FBOs are located in a government owned building and most states prohibit firearms in government owned buildings. So if you are discovered carrying and local police decide to lock you up, that a risk you assumed.
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Those buildings will be mostly City or county owned, and usually only subject to local codes. Each state is obviously different, so it pays to know the local laws as hard as that often is.
 
RudyP said:
Yes - Signature at KBOS has one. In fact, I was thoughtfully relieved of my leatherman tool once going through there (and charged $75 security fee for the service). Thank god they caught it or I could have easily taken myself hostage in the air (I was the only human boarding the flight).

You have to love security theater!
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Yea, I wouldn't have let that happen.
 
So... they didn’t care about the AK47 in the back seat?!? ;)

What a joke.
 
Self screening?


So, ok.... I was in the Bahamas and I was like whiuuut? There is an X-ray and metal detector now at governors harbour. I was like, what’s that for and there like, you got to go through saciurateee now bruh.... the you esaya making us so eit.

Bu I was trying to depart and there wasn’t anyone there. I said, well, I’m leaving and took all my crap through and left.nobody cared.

At Bimini, they ran me through. I had two pocket knives and two fillet knives. They asked what flight I was on. I be like, I don’t have a flight number. I have my own plane.

They were like ohhh.... private flight. OK. She looks at the dude and says, he’s got his own plane and runs it all through without checking the rest of the bags. Oh yea.... had to pay $6 for each passenger for them to do this......

And no, they don’t make change.


So yea.... security.
 
Back when I flew for a fractional, we had some people leaving on a hunting trip from BOS, so they showed up with some shotguns. Security would not let them through, no way no how. So we flew the airplane empty to BED, and the pax drove over, and we departed with no fuss. A few days later, we flew them back to BOS, and they got off the airplane with their shotguns and walked right into the FBO. No one even noticed.
 
I lost all my guns in an unfortunate sea plane accident and I am not even sea plane rated. Yet!
 
Ever see a metal detector at an FBO? Sure as hell I have. There are a few places where the GA ramp isn't separated well from the airline stuff. Of course, that doesn't fix the guys who fly in with guns, but be careful if you take it with you on your return.

It's illegal in Virginia to carry in any "air carrier airport terminal" even BEFORE you get to security. There are a handful of airports that fit that description that the "air carrier airport terminal" is also the building with the FBO.
 
Out here in Vegas with the 15 y/o Son, plane is in St George. He wanted to go to a ‘full-auto’ shoot so we visited ‘Battlefield Vegas’. I did the MP-5 I think just to participate. His choices were more exotic, VZ-58 and some other rare gun. It was fun I’ll say. My last full auto was back in my Guard years with the M-60 & M-16.

I’m more of a ‘concealed means concealed’ guy.
 

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sourdough44 said:
Out here in Vegas with the 15 y/o Son, plane is in St George. He wanted to go to a ‘full-auto’ shoot so we visited ‘Battlefield Vegas’. I did the MP-5 I think just to participate. His choices were more exotic, VZ-58 and some other rare gun. It was fun I’ll say. My last full auto was back in my Guard years with the M-60 & M-16.

I’m more of a ‘concealed means concealed’ guy.
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Ah, yes. I remember shooting the M-60 and qualifying with the M-16A1. As a lefty I wasn't fond of either of them. Now, give me an M2 and I'm a happy camper. (That's a .50 cal air cooled machine gun for those not familiar with the beast. :D )
 
jesse said:
Conceal means conceal. Do that properly and there is nothing to worry about. Easy to do, everyone has lumpy things in their pocket these days. Hell, my iPhone XS Max is harder to conceal than a firearm.
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My Samsung Galaxy Note is larger then my usual carry piece.
 
1FFC0040-1517-4DFB-9E8F-394B9B9C85E6.jpeg Concealed is concealed.

Trailblazerfirearms.com , the ultimate in firearms concealment.
 
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Hopefully you can stop the bad guy with one .22 shot from an ill-shaped gun.
 
midwestpa24 said:
Those buildings will be mostly City or county owned, and usually only subject to local codes. Each state is obviously different, so it pays to know the local laws as hard as that often is.
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There are 16 states than ban guns in govt owned buildings + the states that allow local ordances banning guns in public owned buidings + the states that don’t recognize other states concealed carry permits.

So if you are going to be that law bidding citizen the NRA says you are, you better be doing a lot of checking first.
 
flyingron said:
Hopefully you can stop the bad guy with one .22 shot from an ill-shaped gun.
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.22 magnum is a pretty good cartridge; it penetrates better (if you use ammo meant for short barrels instead of rifles) than a .380.
 
Kenny Phillips said:
.22 magnum is a pretty good cartridge; it penetrates better (if you use ammo meant for short barrels instead of rifles) than a .380.
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North American Pug mini-revolver is a good choice for .22 magnum, and it conceals easily. Step up just a little bit to a Kel-Tec P32 and you get .32ACP and 7 rounds in a superlight semi-auto pistol that is undetectable in a slim pocket holster. Always use a holster. Better safe than sorry.

The sticking point is going to be the metal detector, if you have to transit one. LifeCard won't do you any good there, but it sure is cute.
 
The Pug has a real grip and fires 5 shots.

Yes, lost of people have shot their nads off not using a holster.

I'll stick with my subcompact sig in the sneaky pete holster. It looks more like I'm an unarmed geek with an ipad strapped to my belt or something.
 
Piperonca said:
Step up just a little bit to a Kel-Tec P32 and you get .32ACP and 7 rounds in a superlight semi-auto pistol that is undetectable in a slim pocket holster.
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I like my P32 but if I were buying today I'd probably get the P3AT. A .380 has a good bit more punch than a .32, although with Winchester Silvertips I think the .32 will do the job. The P3AT wasn't on the market yet when I got my little pea shooter.
 
MBDiagMan said:
I check my passengers for guns at boarding time. If they don’t have one, I’ll loan them one.
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I check my passengers, too.

Vintage SxS shotguns, especially LC Smiths and Parkers, will be confiscated.
 
I occasionally carry in the plane but that’s just because I occasionally carry.
 
I screen, Hi Points and Berettas carriers are not allowed to board or are tossed from the plane. Luckily I am not friends with such people, so it hasn't happened yet.
 
jaymark6655 said:
I screen, Hi Points and Berettas carriers are not allowed to board or are tossed from the plane. Luckily I am not friends with such people, so it hasn't happened yet.
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If it ain’t a Glock, it’s not reliable enough...
 
Half Fast said:
I like my P32 but if I were buying today I'd probably get the P3AT. A .380 has a good bit more punch than a .32, although with Winchester Silvertips I think the .32 will do the job. The P3AT wasn't on the market yet when I got my little pea shooter.
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Bud's https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...dguns/Beretta/Beretta+PICO+380+6RD+INOX+BLACK has the Beretta Pico on sale for $199. Maybe the softest shooting .380 out there. Certainly the slimmest. Get some Inceptor ARX ammo for it and you're good.
 
cowman said:
I believe there are some folks here who fly and carry so I thought I'd ask. Other than general state laws around CCW, are there any aircraft/airport specific rules/regs one would need to worry about if they're going to carry? Of course we know at most podunk GA fields nobody is going to look/check/think about it if there's even anyone there when you land but what about big class D or C airports with a passenger terminal on the other side of the field?

I don't know of any but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Interesting quandary, not really. Conceal where legal. Otherwise, you are breaking the law, and the FAA would frown upon that.

Reminds me of a post I did a while back... My son was overseas on an extended sightseeing tour courtesy of Uncle Sam when his grandfather passed so when he was home for a visit I rented a plane from the flight school I had my training and we flew from the local class C to a small GA airport close to the family farm. Incidentally, that is about a 4-hour drive one-way.

His uncle (my BIL) had several long guns and a pistol, which had been left to my son, along with a significant amount of ammo applicable to the aforementioned platforms that he wanted out of the house. We loaded these into the back seat of a 172 and took off at about 5pm in early November, which would put us on the ground shortly after sunset.

As we approached the class C space and I began to think about the procedures for the return it dawned on me that we would be going through Signature Flight Services lobby and walking past some staff, which could be problematic. We started talking about how to handle things and decided the boxes, as well as the loose ammo would easily fit in the carry cooler taken along that morning for a couple of water bottles. We had each taken a slightly heavy jacket, which we decided could be loosely folded over the long guns and, if carried properly, allowed to hang down without being seen by the casual observer. The last thing we decided was that he would enter slightly behind me and to my left, away from the view of the desk staff, then exit quickly through the parking lot door on the left a few steps away.

As we taxied up I decided to park at the far end of the ramp away from a view at the door and allowing us to get unloaded without being closely watched. This gave us ample opportunity to adjust our carry loads; for instance that cooler bag was significantly heavy now. He crossed behind me as the sliding doors opened and passed across the lobby quickly as I carried the cooler and the flight bags out, walking now behind him.

A few minutes later, we were laughing at the thoughts of all of the possibilities. We still chuckle about that today.

Let me add this clarification - I in no way condone flagrant violations of laws or regulations and recommend gathering all the necessary information needed to make appropriate plans in advance of future planned transportation events.
 
TCABM said:
In addition to the various state laws, also be cognizant of 49 CFR 1540.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/1540.111
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EdFred said:
Didn't realize I was subject to screening myself when I go fly. Who knew.
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Does not apply to the part 91 owner flown GA that most people here are doing:

§ 1540.111 Carriage of weapons, explosives, and incendiaries by individuals.​

(a) On an individual's person or accessible property—prohibitions. Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, an individual may not have a weapon, explosive, or incendiary, on or about the individual's person or accessible property—​
(1) When performance has begun of the inspection of the individual's person or accessible property before entering a sterile area, or before boarding an aircraft for which screening is conducted under this subchapter;​
(2) When the individual is entering or in a sterile area; or​
(3) When the individual is attempting to board or onboard an aircraft for which screening is conducted under §§ 1544.201, 1546.201, or 1562.23 of this chapter.​
(b) On an individual's person or accessible property—permitted carriage of a weapon. Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply as to carriage of firearms and other weapons if the individual is one of the following:
(1) Law enforcement personnel required to carry a firearm or other weapons while in the performance of law enforcement duty at the airport.​
(2) An individual authorized to carry a weapon in accordance with §§ 1544.219, 1544.221, 1544.223, 1546.211, or subpart B of part 1562 of this chapter.​

For (a)(1) and (2), you're not going to be in a sterile area.

For (a)(3), "aircraft for which screening is conducted" under:
* 1544.201 applies to Part 119 Certificate Holders (121 and 135 operators) per 1544.1(a)(1).
* 1546.201 applies to foreign air carriers per 1546.1(a).
* 1562.23 applies only to operations out of Reagan National KDCA, per 1562.21(a).

So, most of you don't need to worry about 49 CFR 1540. If you do need to, you already know it.
 
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