Citation runway overrun in Brazil

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happened in Ubatuba which, while fun to say, doesn't look like a fun incident

 
That is a lot of plane for a very short runway. Wrong plane for the mission. Curious to hear the rest of the story.
 
hhmm, that wasn't the title I used. that's, weird.
 
Looks like it was airborne before hitting the built up area past the runway. Going into the surf minimized the post crash fire, and no doubt resulted in there being survivors.
 
I’m also wondering if this was an arrival or departure….
 
Bear in mind that there is a massively displaced threshold; it would be a feat to land and stop in the ~1840 feet remaining without the mother of all headwinds. Just over 3K for takeoff.
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Kenny Phillips said:
Bear in mind that there is a massively displaced threshold; it would be a feat to land and stop in the ~1840 feet remaining without the mother of all headwinds. Just over 3K for takeoff.
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Looks like someone didn’t brief the airport.
 
did they think the 1700 feet of landing distance was 1700 meters? or maybe it was metres? meaters? pmeters (silent 'p')?
 
There is a fella here at my 4000’ home drone flying a CJ. He uses 75% of the runway from what have seen. Now if this Bazillian Lift company had put her down on the first brick, I could see them waxing it in by the last brick. However, this plantain swinger must have came in touching down hot and tardy which resulted in an overrun into the sandy emas. I see it all the time. Lucky for the pax, they get beach front service.
 
texasclouds said:
There is a fella here at my 4000’ home drone flying a CJ. He uses 75% of the runway from what have seen. Now if this Bazillian Lift company had put her down on the first brick, I could see them waxing it in by the last brick. However, this plantain swinger must have came in touching down hot and tardy which resulted in an overrun into the sandy emas. I see it all the time. Lucky for the pax, they get beach front service.
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He would have had to violate the displaced threshold, and not care about the tires and brakes. But he didn't care about having all information about the aerodrome, so ...
 
texasclouds said:
There is a fella here at my 4000’ home drone flying a CJ. He uses 75% of the runway from what have seen. Now if this Bazillian Lift company had put her down on the first brick, I could see them waxing it in by the last brick. However, this plantain swinger must have came in touching down hot and tardy which resulted in an overrun into the sandy emas. I see it all the time. Lucky for the pax, they get beach front service.
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Word is also that the runway was wet, which dramatically extends the runway requirement.
Kenny Phillips said:
He would have had to violate the displaced threshold, and not care about the tires and brakes. But he didn't care about having all information about the aerodrome, so ...
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As I said before, I’d bet he had all that information. But “normalization of deviance” wouldn’t surprise me.
 
No idea how to pull up a foreign plate. Why the very displaced threshold? I'm wondering if he thought it could fly over whatever it was, then land before displaced, and didn't consider that the dive move would increase his airspeed a lot in an aircraft that doesn't slow down all that easily. Completely guessing.
 
Kenny Phillips said:
I know many who consider it to be a suggestion.
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:) I may know someone that flew 1000' down runway 28 at ALB, 5' off the ground, after someone from the back seat said "hey dude, you realize it's displaced here, right?"
 
It’s been displaced since at least 2011. Here’s proof in the form of a Street View pic from 2017:

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That accident was a relatively inexperienced pilot who chose to land on runway 27 (not displaced) with a tailwind. Touched down about halfway down the runway and overran. No injuries. In the report, it talks about how runway 9 is displaced due to terrain and other obstructions.
 
texasclouds said:
There is a fella here at my 4000’ home drone flying a CJ. He uses 75% of the runway from what have seen. Now if this Bazillian Lift company had put her down on the first brick, I could see them waxing it in by the last brick. However, this plantain swinger must have came in touching down hot and tardy which resulted in an overrun into the sandy emas. I see it all the time. Lucky for the pax, they get beach front service.
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FWIW, it looks like specified landing distance for a CJ1+ is 2,590 feet, presumably at MLW. (From something that looks like an official Cessna CJ1+ document.) This says landing distance with 4 pax is 2,361 feet.

It looks like the runway is 3,084' x 98'. Declared distances all match that (hah!) so best I can do is the ruler in ForeFlight, which makes it look like the displaced threshold is about 1,234 feet, leaving 1,850. I suppose they could have been really light, but I doubt there's a scenario where the landing distance gets to 1850. Even if they got it down before the displaced threshold, like @Ted says, limits are not goals!

Here's Street View at the approach end of the runway - It looks like the displaced threshold is maybe for those trees, though it still seems excessive? If you move back in time to 2011, it appears that the trees are more numerous but much smaller and the threshold is (maybe) not yet displaced.
 
Flying Keys said:
It’s been displaced since at least 2011. Here’s proof in the form of a Street View pic from 2017:

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Interesting. It looks like an Arrow II - And there's a reason for that - But apparently it's technically an Embraer 711 Corsico II. Several online sources say it's a 711ST, but that was a Turbo Arrow IV, which this clearly isn't. I did find a picture that clearly shows it's a taper wing, and it says "Corsico Turbo" on the side of the cowl, but it has a straight tail so it'd be a Turbo Arrow III. The serial number indicates it's a 1977 model, but most online sources say that the turbo didn't go to Brazil as a Corsico until the IV in 1980.

Sure wish @Pilawt were still around to tell us how he ferried the dang thing down there for Embraer to sell as the first Turbo Corsico. (I totally made that up, but it seems like he always had that level of detailed knowledge about the Piper line.) :(
 
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