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bbchien

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Bruce C
I am not going to wrestle with pigs and crybabies. And I don’t make FAA policy. I just study it and know where the squares are…Anyone that claiming that FAA obscures, is spreading a bunch of horse hockey.

Ask among the long term posters here…I actually help guys. A individual can’t do any more than that. A lot of them are here.

So, To one poster in particular: I get that to the lazy things look like “obscurement”. The AME guide is only 840 pages but it’s all there. To turn your own words around, I “get” that you’re lazy. Can you read…or do you just not want to?

To another, “I get that it’s everyone else’s fault and none of yours” and when you get done with the senators and Congressmen it’ll all change. “Crusade On”, you’ve got your grandiosity. You don’t “get” that.

To a third, the answer is always, “get a lawyer”. See if an attorney can get you a clearance. Yeah FAA is brutal and won’t trust you. But they let you finish your Career. LOL. Some of you observations as to “contracted to the airlines” may be true (I have never been) but remember that you were able to finish your career.

So, Y’all stay well and don’t get DUIs. And don’t get sick.
For those who care I’m over at www.thepilotsplace.com which is far more civil.

Hasta la vista baby…..
 
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Didn’t we go through this a few years back, too?

It’s a shame that you’d let one person get under your skin that badly, (there will always be someone), but hey, it’s your choice.
 
Dr B, your experience and expertise are invaluable. Not just in medical certification, but sometimes just ghe stuff we all are here to discuss- flying.
A long time ago, you gave me advice re documentation. I appreciated it then, and appreciate what you do now, too.
Thanks.
 
Bruce - I have seen how you have supported the GA community as far back as the early days of the Red Board.

You have helped more aviators with their medical than probably any other.

Besides that, your sage advice on the art of flying and safety has taught me many things over the years.

Those of us who have seen and understand what you do are extremely appreciative.

Over the years these social forums have devolved into the barely-moderated kind of crap that you are constantly subjected to. I honestly don't know why you continue to subject yourself to it. Or maybe I do. It's because you really cared about helping pilots achieve their dreams of flight.

I completely understand you finally walking away from this forum. I'm just
surprised you put up with it for so long.

Many, many pilots will remember you, long after the ingrates and intentionally uninformed on this forum are long gone.

It's probably time for me to move over to The Pilots Place as well. It's a shame because this use to be a great forum that was 95% aviation and where people were respectful.
 
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dans2992 said:
Didn’t we go through this a few years back, too?

It’s a shame that you’d let one person get under your skin that badly, (there will always be someone), but hey, it’s your choice.
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This is about years of abuse that he has put up with and all he has done is try to help people.

You have no right to comment if you think this is about "one person getting under his skin". This is exactly the type of uninformed crap he is sick of.
 
Lndwarrior said:
This is about years of abuse that he has put up with and all he has done is try to help people.

You have no right to comment if you think this is about "one person getting under his skin". This is exactly the type of uninformed crap he is sick of.
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Thats just the nature of the internet and forums. Especially here where so many people are dealing with incredibly and pointlessly frustrating government policy.

I do think people are rude and obtuse for no reason, it's your right to leave those communities and frankly anyone should. As a doctor people are more receptive to your help when they are paying for it, but the stakes are higher then too. Here people are free to listen, and free to not listen.

However, an 840 page document is incredibly extreme and should only be needed to make pointless clarifications to much shorter documents. Medications should not be labeled as allowed when they are not. Medical disorders not specified as "disqualifying" should not require and SI. But this isn't the case, the FAA policies are at least inefficient if not obscured. It's hard to say that they are like that for legal reasons (protecting the FAA from liability) and also say they are not obscured. Personally, I'm not strongly placed in the "obscured" camp but I can understand it.

What I do think, is you should not have to spend a year and thousands of dollars to get common medical issues sorted out.
 
dans2992 said:
Didn’t we go through this a few years back, too?
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Yep, more than once.
dans2992 said:
It’s a shame that you’d let one person get under your skin that badly, (there will always be someone), but hey, it’s your choice.
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It's not one person. Read his post carefully, he's talking about three, and those have all been quite recent (within the last month).

And there've certainly been more.
Lndwarrior said:
Bruce - I have seen how you have supported the GA community as far back as the early days of the Red Board.
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Longer than that! Bruce was around and well-known as the go-to guy for difficult medical cases in the old Yellow Board days (AOPA before the Red board - I joined there in 2001 and Bruce was already there).
Lndwarrior said:
You have helped more aviators with their medical than probably any other.

Besides that, your sage advice on the art of flying and safety has taught me many things over the years.

Those of us who have seen and understand what you do are extremely appreciative.
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All of this!
Lndwarrior said:
Over the years these social forums have devolved into the barely-moderated kind of crap that you are constantly subjected to. I honestly don't know why you continue to subject yourself to it. Or maybe I do. It's because you really cared about helping pilots achieve their dreams of flight.

I completely understand you finally walking away from this forum. I'm just
surprised you put up with it for so long.
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Bruce has taken several extended breaks from PoA, and rightfully so. He's got better things to do than argue with people. He tells it like it is, but the way it is sucks sometimes and so people tend to argue with him as if he's the FAA. That's gotta get aggravating!

Bruce, if you're still looking, enjoy your PoA vacation, put some air under you in that beautiful Seneca, and c'mon back whenever you're ready. We all appreciate your contributions.
Lndwarrior said:
It's probably time for me to move over to The Pilots Place as well. It's a shame because this use to be a great forum that was 95% aviation and where people were respectful.
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Well, if we can just get everyone to go over there, inevitably there'll be some jerks who'll drive Bruce to come back here. ;)
 
He cares too much that’s unfortunate for everyone in the internet echo chambers.

Although I guess you wouldn’t want him to care any less in his chosen field. It’s easy for someone like me who’s job is to get 30 odd and soon to be 100s doing what I want them to do while making them feel like they want to, say to care less. It is less so for someone who’s job is to make hard things work for others pinning their dreams in his effort.
 
bbchien said:
To a third, the answer is always, “get a lawyer”. See if an attorney can get you a clearance.
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Legal advice is always one-on-one, but if I have had a standard opening it is, "You don't want to make a medical issue into a legal issue unless you have to."
 
bbchien said:
I am not going to wrestle with pigs and crybabies. And I don’t make FAA policy. I just study it and know where the squares are…Anyone that claiming that FAA obscures, is spreading a bunch of horse hockey.

Ask among the long term posters here…I actually help guys. A individual can’t do any more than that. A lot of them are here.

So, To one poster in particular: I get that to the lazy things look like “obscurement”. The AME guide is only 840 pages but it’s all there. To turn your own words around, I “get” that you’re lazy. Can you read…or do you just not want to?

To another, “I get that it’s everyone else’s fault and none of yours” and when you get done with the senators and Congressmen it’ll all change. “Crusade On”, you’ve got your grandiosity. You don’t “get” that.

To a third, the answer is always, “get a lawyer”. See if an attorney can get you a clearance. Yeah FAA is brutal and won’t trust you. But they let you finish your Career. LOL. Some of you observations as to “contracted to the airlines” may be true (I have never been) but remember that you were able to finish your career.

So, Y’all stay well and don’t get DUIs. And don’t get sick.
For those who care I’m over at www.thepilotsplace.com which is far more civil.

Hasta la vista baby…..
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Bruce,

I have never needed your advice (so far); but I have always appreciated the advice/time and effort you have given here.

Stay healthy!

Tim
 
Ok…. The original post was edited substantially after I commented. I guess it’s more than one person.
 
bbchien said:
I am not going to wrestle with pigs and crybabies. And I don’t make FAA policy. I just study it and know where the squares are…Anyone that claiming that FAA obscures, is spreading a bunch of horse hockey.
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Fortunately, I've been blessed with decent health, followed the rules, and avoided most stupidity. I've been here many years and watched you tirelessly attempt to help person after person long after I thought, "Why bother". Thanks for what you do.
 
Dr. Bruce, I rarely chime in on a topic, but you leaving this board hits hard, really hard. I always look forward to your opinion and guidance even though I am not subject to the FAA medical rules of your country. Always a learning experience.

I hope you will reconsider and weigh the overwhelming good you provide here vs a couple of "bad apples" that stoke the fire. I understand your reasons to throw in the towel, but wished it ain't so. Many Thanks to you, and all the best.
 
this is really unfortunate. . some on here due to their circumstance, cant and wont accept the current state and just out for their own outlooks. It really is unfortunate, as I backed out of a discussion recently (that Dr Bruce was also in) because their narrative is their narrative. Ive always liked how Bruce puts it - its their sandbox and their rules. You play in it, you follow it. Some cant and wont accept it, and after this recent spate of comments and events - I have even less empathy. . .
 
Abuse? I read the threads, and didn't see it. Discussion, maybe some argument, but hardly abuse. Some of the cases are certainly without merit, and the thread starter should accept the reasoning of those professionals, but hey - it's the internet, and people disagree and argue. Even with professionals. Doesn't make it abuse.

Certainly respect and humility would have been a better approach, but that's not common on the internet all the time. I think this decision was precipitous, and resolution could have been better using the ignore function. Or simply avoidance after initial statement. Hope Bruce will reconsider, the vast majority of folks here accept his gospel on FAA med matters. :cheerswine:
 
A great resource lost ... medical reimbursement field is brutal and he offers advice here free. Helping many that probably could have kept themselves out of trouble, have med issues disqualifying etc probably attracts more than a few "yea who's" ... hopefully he'll return later on after a short break. Lot of good folks over the years owe getting back into the cockpit to this gentleman.
 
X3 Skier said:
Dr B. Thanks for your reviews of my medical issue a few years back. Thorough review and good advice.

If you ever decide to return, it will be great for all the sane people here.
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we also await his return to rough river, although I think we might have scared him off a bit lol
 
Writing for myself and not as a member of the MC, the medical forum has been a disaster lately. It is supposed to be for help with medical issues, not arguing about the FAA. I do think that liberal use of the "report" and "ignore" buttons on Dr. Bruce's behalf would greatly improve his experience here. I sincerely hope he will be back.
 
Dr. B,

How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?

Just one. But the light bulb must want to change.

You can't fix stupid, and you can't help some people. Because they are too stupid to figure out that what they are doing is the problem.

So, if you go or stay, I've enjoyed reading your responses - even the ones to the idiots.
 
Jim K said:
Writing for myself and not as a member of the MC, the medical forum has been a disaster lately. It is supposed to be for help with medical issues, not arguing about the FAA. I do think that liberal use of the "report" and "ignore" buttons on Dr. Bruce's behalf would greatly improve his experience here. I sincerely hope he will be back.
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ironically, this whole thread doesn't really belong in the medical topics forum, does it?
 
JackL-3J said:
Dr. B,

How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?

Just one. But the light bulb must want to change.

You can't fix stupid, and you can't help some people. Because they are too stupid to figure out that what they are doing is the problem.

So, if you go or stay, I've enjoyed reading your responses - even the ones to the idiots.
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Well, I mean that depends. If it’s a pilot light bulb, then it might require a HIMS psychiatrist and bunch of other dorks to judge their work
 
AchillesLastStand said:
Well, I mean that depends. If it’s a pilot light bulb, then it might require a HIMS psychiatrist and bunch of other dorks to judge their work
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And due to it being an aviation lightbulb, while the EXACT same bulb may be available elsewhere, it will cost 50-100x as much.
 
flyingpreacher said:
And due to it being an aviation lightbulb, while the EXACT same bulb may be available elsewhere, it will cost 50-100x as much.
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Only if it's a PMA light bulb. Otherwise you can just pick one up at the hardware for your X-plane.
 
Hello, everyone. I'm Brian from The Pilot's Place.

I was a long time member here long before I started The Pilot's Place but I don't spend much time here because I really only have time for one pilot's forum at a time.

I consider Bruce to be a friend. While I've never needed his medical services, we've met in person multiple times and he was a great help to me back in 2008 when I needed a top overhaul at his airport.

I started The Pilot's Place five years ago when AOPA decided to shut down its forums with little notice. I asked Bruce if he would be willing to answer medical questions there. He said yes, so I set up a Medical Topics forum and made it possible for people to post anonymously there -- for obvious reasons.

I'm a fan of Pilots of America, just like I was fan of the Red Board at AOPA. I think POA provides a real service to the GA pilot community. I hope that The Pilot's Place does, too, at least in some small way.

Two years ago, the Cessna 172 Club database was failing and the admins had no way to fix it. We mutually agreed to export their data and user base and import them into The Pilot's Place. Consequently, we ended up with close to 15 years of posts from the 172 Club and tens of thousands of historical threads. Everyone who ever posted at the Cessna 172 Club had all of their user data and posting history imported into TPP, too.

If you're not familiar with The Pilot's Place, we have only two rules. One rule is that political posts must go in the Politics forum, which requires user opt-in to see. The other rule is the DNA of our forum: Play Nicely. TPP is a friendly, welcoming community. Anyone is welcome to join but all are expected to play nicely. In a nutshell, that means being respectful of other forum members.

The sole reason why I'm posting this is to respond to the posts above that lamented the loss of Bruce as a resource.

Pilots who need Bruce's incredibly generous and skilled advice are welcome to come on over to TPP, even if the only thing you do there is ask for Bruce's help. Bruce IS an amazing resource for pilots and a heck of a nice guy. If you need help, come on over to The Pilot's Place. It's okay if you never post another thing there. We're all fans of our favorite forums and I get that. The various pilot forums aren't competing with each other. We're all just a piece of a much larger pie.
 
I don't know Dr. Brice but I've followed a few threads where he gave excellent advice at no cost & I've watched a few shoot the messenger. I don't blame him for leaving ...
 
Bruce, without your help I wouldn't have been able to get my Class 3. Your work has helped many of us on this site, and there will be many more who can benefit from your knowledge and experience.

So why should you throw out perfectly good bath water to get rid of an annoying baby or two?

In your AME work, I know you won't tolerate fools, and you will decline or drop someone who tries to BS you or won't follow instructions. Why not take the same approach on POA? Help those you can, but if a few posters exceed your tolerance level just use the "Ignore" function and be done with them. Simple, and you can continue to help those who are willing to be helped.
 
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