Close Call LAX

[farmrjohn]

This past Friday: Local News Report

 

[Hunter Handsfield]

Impressive video here:

Harrowing footage shows Gonzaga team plane, Delta jet near-miss on LAX runway

Harrowing footage captured the moment a Delta flight nearly crashed into the Gonzaga University basketball team plane on the runway at Los Angeles International Airport.

nypost.com

As Juan Browne and others have said in response to the substantial number of close calls at or near airports in the past year or two, it's likely only a matter of time until it's not a close call but a tragedy.

HHH

 

[Hunter Handsfield]

Oops, same video. The first one has verbal commentary.

HHH

 

[Omalley1537]

Even the airport isn’t safe from tagging in LA…smh

 

[flyingcheesehead]

Expectation bias on the part of the left seater in Key Lime?

Also, wasn't Key Lime the company that had the midair with a Cirrus at KAPA a few years ago?

 

[midwestpa24]

Expectation bias on the part of the left seater in Key Lime?

Also, wasn't Key Lime the company that had the midair with a Cirrus at KAPA a few years ago?

They were, one of their cargo Metroliners. But in that case, the Cirrus overshot his final and hit the Key Lime.

 

[Racerx]

They were, one of their cargo Metroliners. But in that case, the Cirrus overshot his final and hit the Key Lime.

Beat me to it. Cirrus driver was using the traffic pattern like a racetrack and overshot with parallel runways in use.

 

[Larry in TN]

There is no parallel taxiway between 24R and 24L as there is between 25L and 25R. Taxiing past the 24L hold line is a mistake that pilots will make.

Luckily, the departing Delta airplane was airborne prior to that intersection so there would not have been a collision even if Key Lime was blocking the runway.

 

[midwestpa24]

There is no parallel taxiway between 24R and 24L as there is between 25L and 25R. Taxiing past the 24L hold line is a mistake that pilots will make.

That is a really poor part of LAX's airfield geometry, jamming the parallels so close to each other that the high speed exits from one lead directly onto the parallel runway. I would assume this type of incursion is not unusual there. I would also assume pilot's flying into LAX should be well aware of this danger and plan accordingly but...

 

[Fearless Tower]

Did the jet actually cross the hold short line, or was the controller just being overly cautious to ensure they were going to stop?

 

[midwestpa24]

Did the jet actually cross the hold short line, or was the controller just being overly cautious to ensure they were going to stop?

In the video I saw, it did appear the DAC jet had passed the hold short line. You could see the hold short signs were clearly behind DAC.

 

[Larry in TN]

That is a really poor part of LAX's airfield geometry, jamming the parallels so close to each other that the high speed exits from one lead directly onto the parallel runway. I would assume this type of incursion is not unusual there. I would also assume pilot's flying into LAX should be well aware of this danger and plan accordingly but...

Sometimes there isn't room for anything better. SFO 28L/28R has the same.

No amount of planning will produce ongoing perfection. There will always be mistakes.

 

[3393RP]

I suspect foreshortening by the telephoto lens on the camera made the gap between the two airplanes appear closer than the actual distance between them.

 

[flyingron]

That is a really poor part of LAX's airfield geometry, jamming the parallels so close to each other that the high speed exits from one lead directly onto the parallel runway. I would assume this type of incursion is not unusual there. I would also assume pilot's flying into LAX should be well aware of this danger and plan accordingly but...

Taxiway Y at 24L is marked as a hotspot on the FAA and Jepp charts.

Did the jet actually cross the hold short line, or was the controller just being overly cautious to ensure they were going to stop?

He crossed the line. He stopped just before his nose went into the runway.

 

[Kelvin]

Taxiway Y at 24L is marked as a hotspot on the FAA and Jepp charts.

He crossed the line. He stopped just before his nose went into the runway.

Is there better evidence of this past the video of the plane spotter?

 

[AquaLand]

Is there better evidence of this past the video of the plane spotter?

The local controller screaming “stop, stop, stop” plus the subsequent issuance of a possible pilot deviation is certainly additional evidence. ATC clearly thinks the Key Lime jet did something improper. If not drifting past the hold bar, then what?

 

[Kelvin]

The local controller screaming “stop, stop, stop” plus the subsequent issuance of a possible pilot deviation is certainly additional evidence. ATC clearly thinks the Key Lime jet did something improper. If not drifting past the hold bar, then what?

I have not heard the phone number conversation...this is the first mention of it that I've seen....

 

[AquaLand]

I have not heard the phone number conversation...this is the first mention of it that I've seen....

Issued by LAX ground at about 2:55 of the VASAviation video. ADS-B data shows the Key Lime ERJ (N509GU) still had about 27 knots of ground speed at the mid-point of taxiway V.

 

[Fearless Tower]

The local controller screaming “stop, stop, stop” plus the subsequent issuance of a possible pilot deviation is certainly additional evidence. ATC clearly thinks the Key Lime jet did something improper. If not drifting past the hold bar, then what?

That was not screaming.

 

[flyingcheesehead]

They were, one of their cargo Metroliners. But in that case, the Cirrus overshot his final and hit the Key Lime.

Yep, that's how I remembered it too.

Beat me to it. Cirrus driver was using the traffic pattern like a racetrack and overshot with parallel runways in use.

And, as I recall, going much faster than would normally be called for at that point in the traffic pattern.

That was not screaming.

In controller it was.