MauleSkinner
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Apparently I don’t.
It's official... BasicMed expanded
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Pinecone
En-Route
Well, there is the reg that requires a seat with seatbelt for each occupant. So more people than seats is not authorized. So taking seats out could be interpreted to limiting the aircraft to that number of passengers.
Pinecone
En-Route
true. but you removing seats is not "authorized by the federal government" - its just you removing seats and that "limits" the number of passengers. But that in no way is "authorized by the federal government". You're going to use the circular reference that requires a seat for an occupant as that is regulated. But again - that fails to be more persuasive than they arguing that it has to be typed for as being authorized. And congress has delegated that authority to the FAA. You can STC it which would be "authorized by the federal government". But again - your argument must be more persuasive than what they have to overcome whatever vagueness you are arguing in the reg.
You can make the same seatbelt argument about weight and balance. Since filling all the seats would make the airplane overweight, only enough seats as would keep the airplane within weight limits with the minimum fuel required for the flight is "authorized." My WAG is that a court faced with either argument would reject it pretty quickly.
It kinda reminds me of the argument I used to hear that all procedure turns on instrument approaches are optional.
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Fearless Tower
Touchdown! Greaser!
Good point. Take the Beech 18 as an example. Type Certified for up to 10, so if you go by the FAA interpretation, it would not qualify even though the interior of my aircraft will physically only allow 7 total seats.
I personally don't feel like duking it out with the FAA in court.
Brad Z
Final Approach
You can now fly under BasicMed as PIC or as a required flightcrew member. This was fixed in the 11/22/2022 Balloon Medical rule.
Are you asking, “if I violate the rules, will I get caught?”
Brad Z
Final Approach
Yes, they do specifically ask for your medical.
JOhnH
Touchdown! Greaser!
Except for all the times I landed in Canada, taxied up to their waiting circle or called them up to tell them I"m here, and they say have a good trip; you're good to go.
Then I come home, land in the US and have to stand by the plane till they get there with the dogs and explosive detectors. And I'm having to pee the whole time but I can't leave the plane and prefer not to pee out in the open.
MauleSkinner
Touchdown! Greaser!
Pee where the customs guy has to step in it to look in the airplane.
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Yeah, especially since that now has a good chance of landing you on a sex offender list in a lot of places.
ateamer
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Find and post one case in the last 50 years where someone was convicted of a sex offense for peeing in public.
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Long-ago charge to cost man his home
DELTONA — After the birth of his first daughter in 1986, Juan Matamoros decided to party. What he says he did afterward was not uncommon, but it has haunted him and his family for more than 2…
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There you go. Weirdly, didn't involve California which was my first guess.
Stupid that it's even a consideration, but public urination does fall under indecent exposure laws in a number of states, with the potential for a sex offender registration requirement. Not interested in getting into a ****ing match (ha!) over it, as I agree it's probably very rare for someone to actually be convicted, so I guess I shouldn't have said "good chance" but rather "a chance".
ateamer
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Can’t read the article from Florida without paying.Long-ago charge to cost man his home
DELTONA — After the birth of his first daughter in 1986, Juan Matamoros decided to party. What he says he did afterward was not uncommon, but it has haunted him and his family for more than 2…
There you go. Weirdly, didn't involve California which was my first guess.
Stupid that it's even a consideration, but public urination does fall under indecent exposure laws in a number of states, with the potential for a sex offender registration requirement. Not interested in getting into a ****ing match (ha!) over it, as I agree it's probably very rare for someone to actually be convicted, so I guess I shouldn't have said "good chance" but rather "a chance".
I was a career LEO in California. In that state, it’s specifically stated that indecent exposure must be done for sexual gratification, or it’s not a crime under that statute.
But I now live in Florida and actually am not surprised at some excessive, uninformed uptightness in the law and the application thereof. From talking to guys who worked in law enforcement here in the 70s and early 80s, it was like the West Coast was in the 30s and 40s with regards to training, courts, and ethics.
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MarkH
Line Up and Wait
An STC limitation worked for the Cherokee 6.
On one hand, I am glad to see these updates. On the other hand, its probably not good for my wallet to know I can fly an Aerostar on BasicMed.
Pinecone
En-Route
It depends on the airplane. The Gipps GA-8 you can remove none or all the seats.
So some aircraft have varying configurations of number of seats.
But the PA-32 that started the number change, from my understanding you can fly with or without the 7th seat.
Pinecone
En-Route
You always could, just not with the Gross Weight Increase STC. Except for the 700, stock GW is 6,000.
Brad Z
Final Approach
I should have clarified...****if**** a Canadian customs agent appears for your arrival in Canada they will ask for your pilot cert and medical. Only a handful of times have I actually been met at the plane.
When you return to the U.S., CBP will *always* appear (eventually, and yep, no pee break until you clear) and yes, they ask for a medical too.
How does US CBP handle that when you're using Basic Med, such as returning from the Bahamas or from Mexico? Or for people flying under SP rules? Is a US driver's license accepted in lieu of a medical certificate?
(Turn of javascript in your browser for that site and you can read it).
Any way TL;DR exert: Guy is out drinking, pulls over to relieve himself, and people passing by harass the dark skinned man in white neighbor hood and call cops. Gets charged with open lewdness, which as you note, requires the intent to alarm people by your exposure. Pleads not guilty but still gets convicted and probation and forced on to sex offender registry. Moves to Florida where they realize he's on the registry and decides his house is too close (2500 feet from school, bus stop, child care, or Chuck E. Cheeses).
I'm looking forward to the answer. I'd be surprised if they cared, or even knew the various FAA medical requirements for different operations.
You're legal as soon as you cross the border into the US, I don't think the US authorities can charge you for violations of another country's regulations while outside the US, no?
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That's not true any longer.
BasicMed Safety Pilots - IFR Magazine
The article, “Safety Pilot Rules” (March 2020 IFR), talked about the ins and outs of safety pilot roles, qualifications, responsibilities, and logging. Under 14 C.F.R. §91.109(c) safety pilots are considered required crewmembers. The minimum requirements for acting as a safety pilot are (1) a...
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MauleSkinner
Touchdown! Greaser!
They count licenses and fish in coolers when you come back from a Canadian fishing trip.