Air Blue crash - captain with 25,000 hrs just as bad as some private pilots

[MountainDude]

This reminds me of some CFITs by inexperienced PPs, but this guy had 25,000 hrs.
It seems some people enter a different state of mind (like panic but quiet), where they simply cannot think.

 

[luvflyin]

This reminds me of some CFITs by inexperienced PPs, but this guy had 25,000 hrs.
It seems some people enter a different state of mind (like panic but quiet), where they simply cannot think.

It say’s I gotta sign in

 

[MountainDude]

It say’s I gotta sign in

That is weird. It's a free video on Youtube.
Does this link work?

 

[luvflyin]

That is weird. It's a free video on Youtube.
Does this link work?

 

[Dave Theisen]

Are you using a VPN? I’ve had to pause it to access the YouTube links from this board.

 

[luvflyin]

Are you using a VPN? I’ve had to pause it to access the YouTube links from this board.

No.

 

[dmspilot]

Just post the investigation report so we can read it instead of giving views to a clickbait artist

 

[luvflyin]

Just post the NTSB report so we can read it instead of giving views to a clickbait artist

It happened Pakistan

 

[MountainDude]

Just post the NTSB report so we can read it instead of giving views to a clickbait artist

The "clickbait artist" is one of the most thorough, objective, and evidence-based analyst of plane crashes.

 

[MountainDude]

No.

I really dont know why it's asking you that. Never seen it before. Hopefully you don't have a virus that is trying to get your login.

 

[luvflyin]

 

[nauga]

Just post the investigation report so we can read it instead of giving views to a clickbait artist

It's no longer readily available from the Pakistani CAA but I got it from the Wayback Machine.

Nauga,
reportedly

 

[nauga]

The "clickbait artist" is one of the most thorough, objective, and evidence-based analyst of plane crashes.

I'd add 'sensationalist' to your list based on the video title alone.

Nauga,
who goes to the source.

 

[MountainDude]

I'd add 'sensationalist' to your list based on the video title alone.

Nauga,
who goes to the source.

sensationalist = a person who presents stories in a way that is intended to provoke public interest or excitement, at the expense of accuracy.
Which part of the title is inaccurate?

 

[MauleSkinner]

sensationalist = a person who presents stories in a way that is intended to provoke public interest or excitement, at the expense of accuracy.
Which part of the title is inaccurate?

The part about the mistake (singular).

Not that I clicked on the clickbait, but I’ve never heard of an accident with just one link in the chain.

 

[luvflyin]

It's no longer readily available from the Pakistani CAA but I got it from the Wayback Machine.

Nauga,
reportedly

I click on that and get this. I click download and it goes away. Where do I find it. I’m on an IPad mini 6.

 

[MooneyDriver78]

I click on that and get this. I click download and it goes away. Where do I find it. I’m on an IPad mini 6.

View attachment 135324

Files app

 

[Flying Keys]

I click on that and get this. I click download and it goes away. Where do I find it. I’m on an IPad mini 6.

Files app

That, or look to the right of the URL bar. There is a blue circle with a down arrow. Press that and you’ll see your downloads.

 

[nauga]

I click on that and get this. I click download and it goes away. Where do I find it. I’m on an IPad mini 6.

Have you looked in your Files app? If it's not there you can file direct to https://web.archive.org/web/20200206040857/http://code7700.com/pdfs/investigation_report_abq_202.pdf but if you're having download issues this might not solve them.

Nauga,
stored

 

[luvflyin]

Have you looked in your Files app? If it's not there you can file direct to https://web.archive.org/web/20200206040857/http://code7700.com/pdfs/investigation_report_abq_202.pdf but if you're having download issues this might not solve them.

Nauga,
stored

No Files App. I think I deleted it a while back when I was low on storage and couldn’t update ForeFlight. That link worked but only got page 1

 

[3393RP]

The part about the mistake (singular).

Not that I clicked on the clickbait, but I’ve never heard of an accident with just one link in the chain.

From what I can tell, the entire accident chain was in the cockpit's left seat.

 

[MauleSkinner]

From what I can tell, the entire accident chain was in the cockpit's left seat.

still not a chain with one link, tho, I bet.

 

[luvflyin]

That, or look to the right of the URL bar. There is a blue circle with a down arrow. Press that and you’ll see your downloads.

View attachment 135325

Ah ha!! Thanks

 

[DavidWhite]

This reminds me of some CFITs by inexperienced PPs, but this guy had 25,000 hrs.
It seems some people enter a different state of mind (like panic but quiet), where they simply cannot think.

Not all hours are created equal. I’d take the guy who has been doing night freight in a clapped out metro with no autopilot for the last 2500 hours over a 25,000 hour pilot who has only ever worked at the airlines.

Not that it’s necessarily pertinent to this accident, but there is a seriously disturbing trend at the airlines where the only experience that an upgrading airline captain has as PIC was in the right seat of a seminole/172. I know someone who is now a Captain at Delta who fits that description.

 

[Let'sgoflying!]

He wasn’t even trying to see the runway; homegrown approach & 1950’s cockpit dynamics.

 

[flyingcheesehead]

It say’s I gotta sign in

That is weird. It's a free video on Youtube.
Does this link work?

I've been getting that a lot on embedded YouTube videos the last few days. For example, I was trying to play some videos on Best Tugs' website earlier tonight and YT said I needed to sign in.

Of course, when I hit the link it takes me to YouTube where I'm already signed in and the video works fine, so I'm not quite sure how I'm going to go about fixing it.

 

[3393RP]

still not a chain with one link, tho, I bet.

You're correct, of course. If the mountain he flew into hadn't been there, the crash would have been avoided.

 

[JackL-3J]

He wasn’t even trying to see the runway; homegrown approach & 1950’s cockpit dynamics.

Full disclosure, I don't watch click-bait.

But don't dis the 50's. I wish that I knew as much about flying as opposed to managing as some of those older guys.

 

[3393RP]

Full disclosure, I don't watch click-bait.

But don't dis the 50's. I wish that I knew as much about flying as opposed to managing as some of those older guys.

The content creator is a former USAF F-15 pilot that has significant operational experience with responsibility for complicated missions. He plays it pretty much straight up.

His videos are narrative in nature, uses official reports as a basis for analysis, and his opinions are valid. It's much more interesting and educational than watching Juan Brown read ASN and NTSB preliminary reports out loud while following the text with his mouse pointer.