Grease on prop

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Today during preflight I notices spots on my windshield. I went and immediately checked my prop and found streaks of grease/oil. It felt sticky and thick so Im assuming it's grease. I went to do a runup to cycle the prop after the engine was warm and no splashes during cycle. Am I looking at an overhaul or seal replacement?
 

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I've seen them do this after sitting a while.....keep running it and see if it stops. It might.
 
I had the same thing happen to my Arrow. I was away from home base and called my mech who said to clean off the back of the prop blades, run up the engine and cycle the prop. If more appeared then fly it home and bring it to the shop asap. The prop was pulled and sent to a prop shop who reported back that the hub was shot and a new prop was required. While waiting to find a new prop my mech sent the governor away to be inspected. The report came back "we can save the case" so a new governor was required too. Total cost for new prop and governor was $14 k about 10 years ago. Hopefully the prop seals are all you need but the prop definitely needs to go to a good shop.
 
I had the same thing happen to my Arrow. I was away from home base and called my mech who said to clean off the back of the prop blades, run up the engine and cycle the prop. If more appeared then fly it home and bring it to the shop asap. The prop was pulled and sent to a prop shop who reported back that the hub was shot and a new prop was required. While waiting to find a new prop my mech sent the governor away to be inspected. The report came back "we can save the case" so a new governor was required too. Total cost for new prop and governor was $14 k about 10 years ago. Hopefully the prop seals are all you need but the prop definitely needs to go to a good shop.
When you cleaned and took. Off again wasn’t still leaking? Also notice an inflight issues?
 
A slow leak like that can probably go for awhile before it becomes serious. Don't ask me how I know.
 
I had that too before, changed the prop seal, and it went away. It would usually only appear after longer flights. Now my mechanic did the annual and oil change and put in 8 quarts, and she doesn’t like 8 quarts and oil starts to get everywhere. When I did oil changes with 7 quarts I didn’t have any issues. I guess I need to wait until the next oil change and then monitor it.
 
I had that too before, changed the prop seal, and it went away. It would usually only appear after longer flights. Now my mechanic did the annual and oil change and put in 8 quarts, and she doesn’t like 8 quarts and oil starts to get everywhere. When I did oil changes with 7 quarts I didn’t have any issues. I guess I need to wait until the next oil change and then monitor it.

I don’t think it’s oil but grease. It’s pretty sticky and dry. I hope it’s just a seal.


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I don’t think it’s oil but grease. It’s pretty sticky and dry. I hope it’s just a seal.


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How long since the prop was overhauled? I had that issue with a customer's Twin Comanche that had been sitting for a dozen years, though only had 120 hours since overhaul. Most shops will only overhaul if the last overhaul was more than 10 years ago. That was particularly egregious in this instance as the only issue was bad seals and the risk of internal corrosion, which will be detected as soon as the prop is disassembled for resealing. Found a shop in Colorado, Aero Prop USA that would do the reseal job. Props were fine inside except the seals and saved at least $6K for the pair.
 
Are there any other signs of a bad prop / hub? I just assumed mine is now doing that since it is after service, I don’t know if it’s too much grease was added or too much oil that’s being blown around but it’s a very small amount. I had a new prop seal probably a couple years ago, I don’t think the propeller has much time on it since overhaul either, it’s much less than the engine.
 
Proper way to grease a prop is to pull the Zirk on the opposite side so pressure doesn't build up and blow the seal when you pump in the new stuff. Sticking a probe in to break up any solidified grease is also a good idea. Having said that, anyone been using the prop to push the aircraft around? Sometimes that can cause a temporary problem.
 
Proper way to grease a prop is to pull the Zirk on the opposite side so pressure doesn't build up and blow the seal when you pump in the new stuff. Sticking a probe in to break up any solidified grease is also a good idea. Having said that, anyone been using the prop to push the aircraft around? Sometimes that can cause a temporary problem.
I do use the prop to pull and the cowling to push in combination with the tow bar.
 
I had that too before, changed the prop seal, and it went away. It would usually only appear after longer flights. Now my mechanic did the annual and oil change and put in 8 quarts, and she doesn’t like 8 quarts and oil starts to get everywhere. When I did oil changes with 7 quarts I didn’t have any issues. I guess I need to wait until the next oil change and then monitor it.
You had to send it out for that right?
 
How long since the prop was overhauled? I had that issue with a customer's Twin Comanche that had been sitting for a dozen years, though only had 120 hours since overhaul. Most shops will only overhaul if the last overhaul was more than 10 years ago. That was particularly egregious in this instance as the only issue was bad seals and the risk of internal corrosion, which will be detected as soon as the prop is disassembled for resealing. Found a shop in Colorado, Aero Prop USA that would do the reseal job. Props were fine inside except the seals and saved at least $6K for the pair.
Hi Kristin, it was last overhauled 2014. 390 since tso. Just spoke with my mechanic and said I may need overhaul. He stated to clean it for now and fly it again to see if it still leaks. Annual was about 7 hours ago but with a different Ap/ia. It shows he greased 1oz with aeroshell 6.
 
Kristin,

The first thing I noticed was streaks on the windshield, the cowl and the blades as I was doing a prefight at a quick stop having just returned from OSH in really hot weather. Definitely not oil but grease. Yes, after the mech said it was ok to fly it home (only 1 hour). When I got back I went right to his shop and there were more grease streaks on the blades and windshield. That prompted the removal and shipping to the prop shop. There weren't any noticeable in-flight issues. BUT suffice it to say I stayed over a big highway coming home! I had not had a prop overhaul in the 10 years I had owned the plane ( I don't recall how many hours since the previous overhaul).
 
Hi Kristin, it was last overhauled 2014. 390 since tso. Just spoke with my mechanic and said I may need overhaul. He stated to clean it for now and fly it again to see if it still leaks. Annual was about 7 hours ago but with a different Ap/ia. It shows he greased 1oz with aeroshell 6.
It really depends on how much and whether it continues. A little bit of grease looks like a lot when the prop is being spun at 2400rpm. When I first started to see small streaks, I flew it another 200 hours until I rebuilt it. Even then I could have probably flown it a good bit further. I have an MT 3-blade composite. According to MT, unless you are seeing large amounts, it is difficult to run the hub out of grease. I would wipe it down and monitor closely for the next few flights. You might also pull and clean the inside of the spinner - your A&P recently lubing it could have created a bit of excess to leak.
 
I misspoke, my mechanic did another seal, not the prop seal. The prop seal would have to be sent out. My mechanic said to only prop cycle once (not 3-4 times like we were taught), excess prop cycling causes wear to the seals from what he told me.
 
I misspoke, my mechanic did another seal, not the prop seal. The prop seal would have to be sent out. My mechanic said to only prop cycle once (not 3-4 times like we were taught), excess prop cycling causes wear to the seals from what he told me.

Mostly when the seals are old.
 
I misspoke, my mechanic did another seal, not the prop seal. The prop seal would have to be sent out. My mechanic said to only prop cycle once (not 3-4 times like we were taught), excess prop cycling causes wear to the seals from what he told me.
4 times is excessive. Plus many pilots pull too far back on the blue lever at run up. I really like Mike Busch's books as he gives very practical advice to stay safe, minimize unneeded maintenance, and reduce maintenance-induced failures. At run up, you're just trying to verify the governor is operational and, when cold, circulate a bit of warmer oil into the hub. Yanking the blue lever and slowing a prop spinning 2000rpm by 600-800 rpm at run-up puts a lot of unneeded stress on the prop, which can excessively wear bearings and seals. Mike says to gently pull back until the rpm drops 100 rpm or so, which accomplishes the desired objectives.
 
So the spinner was taken off. Found one of the zerk caps open. My mechanic stated it was safe to fly and check after the flight for any leaks.
 

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What did the inside of the spinner look like? Every now and again the grease zerk "ball" will get stuck and not seal well. This will often cause the cap to open, and will also leave a pool of grease on the interior of the spinner directly above the zerk. If you don't have that, it's probably not the grease zerk that is the issue.
 
4 times is excessive. Plus many pilots pull too far back on the blue lever at run up. I really like Mike Busch's books as he gives very practical advice to stay safe, minimize unneeded maintenance, and reduce maintenance-induced failures. At run up, you're just trying to verify the governor is operational and, when cold, circulate a bit of warmer oil into the hub. Yanking the blue lever and slowing a prop spinning 2000rpm by 600-800 rpm at run-up puts a lot of unneeded stress on the prop, which can excessively wear bearings and seals. Mike says to gently pull back until the rpm drops 100 rpm or so, which accomplishes the desired objectives.
I’ll try to remember that. I do remember reading about circulating oil (not sure where it actually goes), but my mind keeps thinking it’s a good thing to do. I need to start doing it once but after the airplane sits for a couple week I like to make sure everything is good before flying.
 
So the spinner was taken off. Found one of the zerk caps open. My mechanic stated it was safe to fly and check after the flight for any leaks.
Oh interesting, glad it’s something this simple, can you let us know if the grease doesn’t appear next time you fly?
 
The cap has nothing to do with sealing the zerk. It's there to prevent the accumulation of dirt on the fitting. The ball in the center is what provides the seal, it appears intact and functional.
 
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