Fokker down Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome

Very sorry to hear that….
 
Saw him fly that airplane two weeks ago today. Very sad.
 
Will honor by not speculating, but for accurate reporting, AVWEB had a confused sentence ("the monoplane caught fire and crashed") that implies fire, then crash into the trees. I think the first reports were crash, then fire.
 
skyking3286 said:
Will honor by not speculating, but for accurate reporting, AVWEB had a confused sentence ("the monoplane caught fire and crashed") that implies fire, then crash into the trees. I think the first reports were crash, then fire.
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Just to be clear, that was just a post that was shared with me. However, I think we would be wise as information becomes available to do as we do with other accidents and put the pieces together to form a picture from which we can learn. I'm sure he would want us to learn from his situation so that we can all become better, safer pilots.
 
flyingpreacher said:
Just to be clear, that was just a post that was shared with me. However, I think we would be wise as information becomes available to do as we do with other accidents and put the pieces together to form a picture from which we can learn. I'm sure he would want us to learn from his situation so that we can all become better, safer pilots.
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Or we could be respectful to the request and wait until after the NTSB report comes out.

Just an option to consider.
 
:( :( :(
I likely saw this pilot fly at a show there. How horrible.

Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome is amazing, and visiting is an experience I'll not forget. A bit of a 180 from the grand museums and loud military-sponsored airshows that we've all attended. Just pure, grassroots love of golden age aviation. Very sorry to hear of this accident.
 
flyingpreacher said:
I think that there’s a difference between speculation and evaluating factual information.
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As I said. Something to consider.

I don’t think I’ve ever read an accident thread on this board that didn’t include speculation, often by people proving their own ignorance.

My statement was directed at those twatwaffles.

It’s never a bad idea to stop and read any post prior to hitting the post button. God knows I’ve deleted plenty of my own very quickly after posting because I decided it needed to be deleted.
 
Tarheelpilot said:
I don’t think I’ve ever read an accident thread on this board that didn’t include speculation, often by people proving their own ignorance.
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Fair. I agree that far too often we get into speculation rather than data evaluation. And I’m sure I’m guilty of it too.
 
There are multiple levels of speculation.
There's the DG level of insulting the dead speculation, and there's the "maybe it was a botched go-around, hmmm, when was the last time I practiced one, maybe I should do a few next time I'm flying" speculation.
The second kind should be accepted and (in my opinion) encouraged way before a final or even a preliminary report is released. This is the kind of stuff that makes flying safer for the people involved in it. It results in people shari g stories of near misses and other gotchas that we could all learn from.
 
People want to discuss what happened when it is fresh on their minds, not wait a year for a report. It's human nature.

90% of the time, the circumstances of flight readily point to a set of possible causes. It is not baseless speculation to identify known facts and discuss potential impacts.

Yes, many wrong and ignorant things will be posted. But PoA has a lot of highly knowledgeable folks. The nonsense gets shot down and the best points get reinforced in discussion. A general consensus often develops that is not far off the final result.

That is a healthy pilot education process. We learn from others mistakes, so we don't repeat them.

Many WWI replica aircraft are very challenging to fly, with small rudders and pronounced adverse yaw. Add the low level maneuvering common to airshows and it's not hard to envision several ways that could go bad.
 
AV8R_87 said:
It results in people shari g stories of near misses and other gotchas that we could all learn from.
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Any opportunity to reveal or examine our blind spots is good (even if it doesn’t end up being the factor). For instance, the weather conversations here have been incredibly productive, talking about the big picture of how weather works, the tools we can use, and as you said, the gotchas. Because this forum and others like it are not limited to the area in which we might live or where we learned to fly, there’s an incredible opportunity to share stories, to dig in and examine conditions we don’t see in our bubbles, and learn how that might possibly affect an aircraft.

In particular, the area where I did the majority of my flight training does not experience many weather phenomena you might experience elsewhere. And of course, how far out of that area do we ever go in training (or even later)? I’ve seen a lot of instructors with blind spots in that regard, teaching book knowledge well enough, but not having the experience or the curiosity to apply it outside their bubbles. Yet, our airman certificates don’t say “limited to Florida” or wherever. They allow us to go anywhere and that can get an unprepared pilot in trouble.

Geography is similarly affected. Too many folks going for the $400 hamburger in the mountains, or packing heavy for a family trip over the western US get bit by the geography, weather, and often a combination of the two.
 
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