Wow, I thought flying was a spensy hobby!

You could skimp on much of that. Housing is an easy one. Education is another one. Skimping on having children outright however proves detrimental to the future of our society.

And to tie this to to aviation, I would find it a sad circumstance to have the existence of a child completely hamstring my ability to pursue aviation. Not being able to share aviation with my offspring would almost negate having them, call me crazy.

The point of life is to pursue your passion and self-actualize. The point of having children is to pass these value systems forward. But having children hinder my ability to pursue that value system would be self-defeating, since the only reason to have a child, other than replacement value, is to push forth your value system. If I'm so tight on money after paying for the kid that I can't pursue myself, that's a FAIL in my book. I do think parents do splurge on their kids, sometimes to their detriment. This shouldn't be the case. You can't lose yourself in the process of hiring your replacement. That's pointless.
 
Flying's not bad. I've got to buy new shoes for my horse for $200 every 6 weeks. Meanwhile, my own shoes cost $55 and I've had them for a year :P
 
What accounts for the jump? These days, parents spend more of their family's wealth on -- you guessed it -- their child's health care and education.
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My daughter said the reason for the increase is actually video game systems...
 
sba55 said:
Flying's not bad. I've got to buy new shoes for my horse for $200 every 6 weeks. Meanwhile, my own shoes cost $55 and I've had them for a year :P
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Jeepers, does your horse need special shoes? Farriers where you live make a lot more than out here in the sticks.
 
Jeanie said:
Jeepers, does your horse need special shoes? Farriers where you live make a lot more than out here in the sticks.
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No, normal shoes. But this county here has the highest per-capita income of any county in the U.S., so everything costs more.

Still ironic if you think about it. I could get some very nice shoes for myself for $1600/year!
 
sba55 said:
Flying's not bad. I've got to buy new shoes for my horse for $200 every 6 weeks. Meanwhile, my own shoes cost $55 and I've had them for a year :P
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$50/shoe/9/yr. What are you whining about? You hafta know the vet bill is easily 5 times that. Add tack and feed, etc...better to rent.

Oh snap...you're in Marin. All bets are off. Elitist pigs loving to ***** about how much they spend. In fact, it's the number one yuppie sport. Props to the noveu riche for making it, but if you knew...if you had a long relationship with the farrier, etc you would be well on your way to being, you know, thrifty. But that aint your thing, is it?
 
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some difference exists between what shoes the remuda gets, and those of a Hanovarian jumper!

Horse shoes iz important!
I direct you to the proverb, "For want of a nail"
 
sba55 said:
No, normal shoes. But this county here has the highest per-capita income of any county in the U.S., so everything costs more.

Still ironic if you think about it. I could get some very nice shoes for myself for $1600/year!
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Then why are you replacing them every time he needs a trim? My horses shoes would last a year easily. I just pull them, give a trim and reset. Sometimes I'd do it, but even when our farrier did it it only cost $40. He charged $10 a hoof.
 
Henning said:
Then why are you replacing them every time he needs a trim? My horses shoes would last a year easily. I just pull them, give a trim and reset. Sometimes I'd do it, but even when our farrier did it it only cost $40. He charged $10 a hoof.
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You weren't in Marin County. Mucho different there. Think $$$$.
 
So the moral of this story is to "Keep it in you pants"......not talking about the horses, :eek: just the kids part. B)
 
Henning said:
...My horses shoes would last a year easily...
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Really worked 'em hard, didja?

We get one reset, max. Any more than that and the nail holes get rounded and won't hold the shoe tight. Then its a matter of calling the farrier out to tack on a new one when the old gets torn off, usually with a good chunk of hoof and abscess to follow. What you'll save in shoeing you'll spend on the vet.

A good farrier is worth whatever they want to charge. They have more to do with keeping a horse sound than a vet does.
 
Chip Sylverne said:
Really worked 'em hard, didja?

We get one reset, max. Any more than that and the nail holes get rounded and won't hold the shoe tight. Then its a matter of calling the farrier out to tack on a new one when the old gets torn off, usually with a good chunk of hoof and abscess to follow. What you'll save in shoeing you'll spend on the vet.

A good farrier is worth whatever they want to charge. They have more to do with keeping a horse sound than a vet does.
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Work my horse hard, yeah...right... Well, I did maybe 3 endurance rides with him in 7 years, outside then mostly it was on the ranch and the neighbors ranch, mostly clay and grass. I didn't always keep him shod either, but I can't ever recall having a nail hole enlarging being a reason to change shoes. We had an excellent farrier, he taught me, he charged $10 a hoof, and I don't recall shoes being expensive.
 
timwinters said:
Well, not quite:

According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, Marin County has the fifth highest income per capita in the United States at $91,483.
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It changes every year. Your point?

Henning said:
Then why are you replacing them every time he needs a trim? My horses shoes would last a year easily. I just pull them, give a trim and reset. Sometimes I'd do it, but even when our farrier did it it only cost $40. He charged $10 a hoof.
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Good for you! Think my farrier knows better than you, though.
 
Not highest per capita income, but household income. I was surprised that so many counties on the list are in Virginia. I'd have thought that NY, CO and CA would have had more presence.
 
woodstock said:
Whoops, good point. My bad.
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Nah, I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to call you out on that.

Good grief, how did I miss D.C.? I travel to VA every fall with some friends for an antiques auction, but not near D.C. so I guess I had blinders on, thinking of the nice rural scenery and middle-class towns.
 
Per capita income for my county is $21,265 with a household median income of $41,850...and I like it that way.
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
No trade-in value either! :D:D
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Yep, children are quite valuable the day they are born and should be sold then. Every day you keep one, their value drops quickly and the carrying costs increase, and this is all far out of the bounds that the IRS lets you depreciate them. If you haven't sold your child by it's first birthday, it should be eaten then while still tender.
 
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