Why you don't leave a partial voice message

Sam D said:
You're not one of those guys that works in an open area but still uses a speakerphone are you? :D That's a whole other level of annoyance I can go on about!
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We all had videoconferencing on devices on our desks that had no headsets anyway. We were all totally used to it.

My usual answer to whiners about noise is: Drywall and doors are cheaper than modular crappy office furniture. When I started in this biz we all had real offices. Feel free to voice your concerns to management. They provided the ****ty open work area AND the speakerphone. I'd happily close my door like back in the day if I had one.

(They do make high-walled cube farms with doors by the way. And there have been a number of studies that show higher productivity levels with real enclosed offices. Nowadays I just work from home when it's "stupid useless six hours of meetings" day. Speakerphone doesn't bother anyone there and with the mute on, I can take a leak whenever needed. LOL.)

Summary : Management's lack of noise control planning does not constitute an emergency on my part. :)

Even sillier , they install those pink noise generators overhead these days to fix a problem they created with open work areas. LOL. Stupid is as stupid does.

Drywall truly is cheaper.
 
denverpilot said:
We all had videoconferencing on devices on our desks that had no headsets anyway. We were all totally used to it.

My usual answer to whiners about noise is: Drywall and doors are cheaper than modular crappy office furniture. When I started in this biz we all had real offices. Feel free to voice your concerns to management. They provided the ****ty open work area AND the speakerphone. I'd happily close my door like back in the day if I had one.

(They do make high-walled cube farms with doors by the way. And there have been a number of studies that show higher productivity levels with real enclosed offices. Nowadays I just work from home when it's "stupid useless six hours of meetings" day. Speakerphone doesn't bother anyone there and with the mute on, I can take a leak whenever needed. LOL.)

Summary : Management's lack of noise control planning does not constitute an emergency on my part. :)

Even sillier , they install those pink noise generators overhead these days to fix a problem they created with open work areas. LOL. Stupid is as stupid does.

Drywall truly is cheaper.
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This is true, but sometimes you have to keep the proletarians in check. Relegating them to open space is an effective way to ensure a distinction of rank and class.
 
Sac Arrow said:
This is true, but sometimes you have to keep the proletarians in check. Relegating them to open space is an effective way to ensure a distinction of rank and class.
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Heh. True.

They do give me a nice wireless headset and I use it. Most of the speakerphone use is when there's four people hovering around wanting to know what's going on during an outage anyway.
 
When I need to tell someone something, or I need to ask them something but they are too busy to waste their valuable time answering my phone call I leave a voicemail. Especially if the answer I want from them might require a little research on their part. Or if I need to explain something with that is a little complex. They can listen to the message and then when they talk they will be ready to discuss it intelligently. It is one of my pet peeves when I get a call a minute later and
they say: "did you call"?
And I say: "yes I did, did you listen to my voicemail"
Them: No, I saw your caller ID.
ME: Well, I asked you to explain the difference between two line items and the cost difference.
Them: Ok, but I will have to go check it out and call you back.
ME: SCREW YOU AND FORGET IT. I will buy it from your competitor. Why couldn't you have listened to my voice mail and already have that information?

People that don't listen to VM before returning a call are rude and obnoxious.


Captain said:
I'm so over Voice Mail.

For me, conversation happens with texts. Formal stuff I want in writing happens with email. Phone calls are last resort or when topic exceeds texting ability. Voice mail never ever happens. I never leave them or check them. In fact I consider it pretty rude to leave one at all.

On the list snail mail is never used except to send legal documents.
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Skylane81E said:
Just testing to see if you are listening.
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It's to the point I just delete the voicemail and call her anyway. Which again turns into a long conversation about one tiny thing that a 5 second talk or 5 word text could do.
 
JOhnH said:
People that don't listen to VM before returning a call are rude and obnoxious.
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No. They are just tired of listening to all that drivel.

Google voice is the answer. Either have it or go back to your princess phone.

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if a very small percentage of people are using VM and most are deleting them unheard then I submit the rude person is the one leaving the VM in the first place. Especially if they DEMAND i take time out of my day and use MY device the way THEY see fit.

I'd never want a customer to go somewhere else, but I'm also not going to man the soup can phone line in hopes of making them happy either. Leaving a VM is about the same as writing your question on a piece of paper, putting it in a bottle and throwing it into the ocean. In fact it's worse...at least I go to the ocean sometimes.
 
Captain said:
if a very small percentage of people are using VM and most are deleting them unheard then I submit the rude person is the one leaving the VM in the first place. Especially if they DEMAND i take time out of my day and use MY device the way THEY see fit.

I'd never want a customer to go somewhere else, but I'm also not going to man the soup can phone line in hopes of making them happy either. Leaving a VM is about the same as writing your question on a piece of paper, putting it in a bottle and throwing it into the ocean. In fact it's worse...at least I go to the ocean sometimes.
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When someone calls your business number and you don't answer it, what do they hear? If they are prompted to leave you a message, and you never take the time to listen to it, who is being rude?

If you don't want people to leave you voicemail messages, either turn the feature off or change your greeting so that they aren't prompted to leave one.

If I call your number and either you or your phone prompts me to leave a message, I'm going to do exactly what you or your phone told me to do. :dunno:
 
Rigged4Flight said:
When someone calls your business number and you don't answer it, what do they hear? If they are prompted to leave you a message, and you never take the time to listen to it, who is being rude?

If you don't want people to leave you voicemail messages, either turn the feature off or change your greeting so that they aren't prompted to leave one.

If I call your number and either you or your phone prompts me to leave a message, I'm going to do exactly what you or your phone told me to do. :dunno:
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"You have reached the voicemail of Sacramento Arrow."

(That's what my greeting says anyway.)
 
Rigged4Flight said:
When someone calls your business number and you don't answer it, what do they hear? If they are prompted to leave you a message, and you never take the time to listen to it, who is being rude?

If you don't want people to leave you voicemail messages, either turn the feature off or change your greeting so that they aren't prompted to leave one.

If I call your number and either you or your phone prompts me to leave a message, I'm going to do exactly what you or your phone told me to do. :dunno:
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I'm not speaking of a business line. I'm talking about my personal phone.
 
The only reason I even have a home landline is for Internet. Nearly everyone that has a legitimate reason to call me outside of work does so on my cell phone. Telemarketers get voice jail.

If "nearly everyone" wasn't a constraint, I'd just leave the telephone unplugged from the line.
 
Captain said:
I'm not speaking of a business line. I'm talking about my personal phone.
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Ah. Completely different situation, then. Anyone that calls my personal phone either knows what to expect or will learn.

But business calls to my business phone - all voicemails get listened to and appropriately dealt with.
 
Rigged4Flight said:
But business calls to my business phone - all voicemails get listened to and appropriately dealt with.
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Yes - the key word here being "appropriately". I'm the lead engineer for my company, and all our salesmen know that I will hit the delete button on any voicemail over 15 seconds in length. If you can't say it in 15 seconds, the you don't need to leave it on a voicemail - just say "I got a problem, please call me back." It only took me a couple weeks to get them trained into that. Maybe that's just me being a cranky old fart, but it's the way I am and I'm not changing.
 
airguy said:
Yes - the key word here being "appropriately". I'm the lead engineer for my company, and all our salesmen know that I will hit the delete button on any voicemail over 15 seconds in length. If you can't say it in 15 seconds, the you don't need to leave it on a voicemail - just say "I got a problem, please call me back." It only took me a couple weeks to get them trained into that. Maybe that's just me being a cranky old fart, but it's the way I am and I'm not changing.
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Well see that's just the thing, my background (going back a couple generations) is military, and every communication is expected to be concise and to the point. I expected my privates to let me know in 20 words or less what the situation is. My company commander expected me to inform him of the situation in 20 words or less. If he needs more detail he will ask.

(Something didn't sound quite right there, but I can't quite get a handle on it.)
 
Sac Arrow said:
Well see that's just the thing, my background (going back a couple generations) is military, and every communication is expected to be concise and to the point. I expected my privates to let me know in 20 words or less what the situation is. My company commander expected me to inform him of the situation in 20 words or less. If he needs more detail he will ask.

(Something didn't sound quite right there, but I can't quite get a handle on it.)
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Seems logical to me.... get to the point and move on.....

I am "with you" on your concept...:D:lol::(
 
Sac Arrow said:
(Something didn't sound quite right there, but I can't quite get a handle on it.)
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You can't get a handle on discussing your privates? or you couldn't get a handle on your privates?
 
Clark1961 said:
You can't get a handle on discussing your privates? or you couldn't get a handle on your privates?
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I had to re read that, but yes.

My privates pretty much control me.
 
I've always hated the phone. As a kid, when a relative would call, my Mom would talk to them for a little while, and then she'd put me on the phone. "So-and-so wants to talk to you!" And then they'd talk my ear off for an hour.

I always hated that. Also, my Mom always felt she HAD to answer the phone when it rang, even when it was dinner time and it was almost guaranteed to be a telemarketer.

Thank God for Caller ID. I can tell if it's work related, and take the call. Otherwise, if it's family or a friend, and I don't feel like talking (which is most of the time), they can go to voice mail.

I wish I could ignore texts the same way, but I must be an oddball, because I feel compelled to answer texts when they're sent to me.

That's why I much prefer email. Phone calls and texts are so interrupt-driven, I prefer email. Gives me a chance to read something fully, and respond when it's convenient, not necessarily RIGHT THEN.

That's also why I refuse to participate in IM chats at the office. If it's that important, then come see me in person. Otherwise, send me an email.

I also have zero use for social media. I'm not on Facebook or Twitter and have no plans to ever be.

I must have been a Luddite in a previous life :)
 
LoneAspen said:
Phone calls and texts are so interrupt-driven, I prefer email.
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Email and text are asynchronous communications, vs. phone which is interrupt driven.

I refuse to let email and text control my life. Everyone I work with knows that email are text are NOT time-sensitive media. If it's time sensitive, call me, if not then send an email/txt.
After hours, phone only. I will not check emails or txt outside work hours (unless something's in progress, of course).
 
PilotAlan said:
Email and text are asynchronous communications, vs. phone which is interrupt driven.

I refuse to let email and text control my life. Everyone I work with knows that email are text are NOT time-sensitive media. If it's time sensitive, call me, if not then send an email/txt.
After hours, phone only. I will not check emails or txt outside work hours (unless something's in progress, of course).
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I generally agree, but if it's a booty call, be it voice, text or email, I need to receive and respond immediately.
 
Sac Arrow said:
The only reason I even have a home landline is for Internet.
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If that's DSL, you can get "dry" service and drop the dial-tone. They don't like doing it and they'll often dork with pricing to make it not worth it but sometimes it's a better deal.
 
denverpilot said:
If that's DSL, you can get "dry" service and drop the dial-tone. They don't like doing it and they'll often dork with pricing to make it not worth it but sometimes it's a better deal.
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Yeah my local telco won't play ball on a dry service. I did ask.
 
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