which Ipad to get?

Every provider will sell it to you without a contract but you can bet the price is going to go up.

Just remember if it's not 3G or 4G capable than you will need an external GPS. I have a Bad Elf as well as the xGPS150A which both work fantastic and are less than $100.

The price that a provider will sell it to you without a contract is the same price you would pay from Apple directly. Getting a contract may be $100 cheaper, but if it locks you into a $10/month fee, you're ahead of the game after 10 months.

I got the Verizon version of my iPad in 2011 straight from Apple. I only bought cellular service month to month for about 2 months out of 3+ years.
 
With cellular, you have to have the data plan in order for the moving map function to work?

According to the Foreflight website, the cellular ipad contains a gps chip which enables functions like the moving map display, etc. without having to have an external gps. Also, according to the website, a data plan is not required unless you want to be able to "receive weather on the go".

Is the data plan required in order to use the ipad as a gps (with foreflight, garmin pilot, etc.)? Also, is it required to receive weather, even at an airport that has wifi?
 
Get it at Best Buy or target, say no(w) to the data plan if you never plan to use it. But the GPS internal will still work.

Well I guess that answers my first question, but can you still receive weather updates at an airport with wifi if you do not have a data plan?
 
With cellular, you have to have the data plan in order for the moving map function to work?
No.

According to the Foreflight website, the cellular ipad contains a gps chip which enables functions like the moving map display, etc. without having to have an external gps. Also, according to the website, a data plan is not required unless you want to be able to "receive weather on the go".

Is the data plan required in order to use the ipad as a gps (with foreflight, garmin pilot, etc.)? Also, is it required to receive weather, even at an airport that has wifi?
If you are connected to wifi at the airport you can receive weather but when you travel out of wifi range you can't. You can use a phone with a data plan as a hotspot which would save you money but it involves another step.
 
No.

If you are connected to wifi at the airport you can receive weather but when you travel out of wifi range you can't. You can use a phone with a data plan as a hotspot which would save you money but it involves another step.

Ok thanks. I plan on getting a Stratus someday, but to buy it and the ipad at the same time will put too big a dent on my bank account, so I can live without inflight weather for the time being, as I'm only an instrument student at this time (not to mention I've been surviving without it for this long:goofy:). But being able to get on my ipad and check the current weather while at the FBO, now that is useful.
 
According to the Foreflight website, having a plan for the cellular allows you to "get weather information on the go". But if most airports have WiFi, it wouldn't be necessary to have a plan with Verizon, etc. would it?

The cellular is required if you want to be able to use the moving map function of the iPad.

Cellular activation is NOT required,to have a GPS fix, this a moving map. That said, to have a GPS fix without an external GPS receiver, you need the model capable of cellular activation in order to have the internal GPS receiver.

I hope the way I worded this makes sense.

BTW I have been using Foreflight on my IPhone AND IPad for over three years. I do not have cellular activation on my IPad, but I sometimes tether the IPad to the IPhone with Bluetooth for poor mans in flight weather. I rarely find myself at an airport where I am unable to update weather on their terminal wifi, even at the most remote airports with the tiniest and most abandoned terminals.
 
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Cellular activation is NOT required,to have a GPS fix, this a moving map. That said, to have a GPS fix without an external GPS receiver, you need the model capable of cellular activation in order to have the internal GPS receiver.

I hope the way I worded this makes sense.

:yes:

I knew that, just making sure the data plan wasn't required. Either for that or to get weather at the FBO.
 
With cellular, you have to have the data plan in order for the moving map function to work?

According to the Foreflight website, the cellular ipad contains a gps chip which enables functions like the moving map display, etc. without having to have an external gps. Also, according to the website, a data plan is not required unless you want to be able to "receive weather on the go".

Is the data plan required in order to use the ipad as a gps (with foreflight, garmin pilot, etc.)? Also, is it required to receive weather, even at an airport that has wifi?


Not at all. I've had my iPad for 3 years, and only purchased data twice. The GPS used on ForeFlight has never failed me yet.
 
Well I guess that answers my first question, but can you still receive weather updates at an airport with wifi if you do not have a data plan?


Yes, because it comes over wifi, not the cellular network.
 
Well I guess that answers my first question, but can you still receive weather updates at an airport with wifi if you do not have a data plan?


Also, as an instrument student, keep in mind that the METARS, TAFS, and Wx depictions on the display will be as old as the last time you had Foreflight open in a wireless environment. If you do your planning at home before heading to the airport, your Wx info could be quite old.
 
Just picked up a cellular iPad Air 2 from Apple to replace my iPad 2. I am really happy with it so far, and since it is slightly smaller than my old one it will work better for me in the cockpit. I couldn't see myself being happy with the mini as I use the iPad a ton when I travel for work to watch Netflix, etc.

My iPad 2 was a wifi only model, and I went cellular this time mostly for the GPS as a "back-up" for my bad elf pro. The 200mb free per month from T-Mobile was the icing on the cake. Should be perfect to pull weather if I find myself somewhere without wifi.

BTW, T-Mobile is running a special now on data on a pay as you go plan. I got 5GB for 5 months for only $10 as I just couldn't pass it up.


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Also, as an instrument student, keep in mind that the METARS, TAFS, and Wx depictions on the display will be as old as the last time you had Foreflight open in a wireless environment. If you do your planning at home before heading to the airport, your Wx info could be quite old.

Notes. :)
 
I think you should get this one!
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I have both the iPad3 and the mini and I would not fly without two sources for maps. When I only had one the iPad3 over heated (Dec 19th) south of Erie PA on the approach. I purchased the mini as the backup. I prefer the iPad because I utilize the split screen option with the approach plate on the right and the map on the left. When receiving traffic (I have ads-B out), the approach plate does not display traffic, so I can not imagine being without ads-In which forces the dual display on the iPad. Stay away from the 3 and the original Air (1) because of heat issues. The iPad 4 or Air 2 are better from the perspective of overheating and turning off. I run with Wing X on the iPad 3 and FlyQ EFB on the mini. I have had issues with the FLYQ EFB not displaying traffic reliably when using the Dual 170. It does work better with the iLevel. I have the Dual 170 paired with the Wing X and I use the FLYQ EFB on the mini when teaching instrument flying. I will be dropping ForeFlight Dec 17th when my subscription runs out. (I prefer the way the instrument charts are selected in my other two apps) and having 3 ADS-B in devices (purchased skyradar initially but do not like the wires) and I use that as a back up in the event the other two ADS-B devices fail). The skyradar app display is not useable for me and I refuse to purchase a 4th ADS_B In device that can only be used with one app.. I do mount the iPad 3 on my yoke ( http://clarityphotos.smugmug.com/Aviation/RepairsC150N2217J/i-R7KwhjQ ) and I mount the mini on the side window on the co-pilot side. I have 64 Gig on both devices with 30 free on the mini and more than 20 on the iPad (a couple of magazines take up about 10 gig.
 
In addition to picking up weather at the FBO via their wifi, you can always use your phone as a wifi hotspot (T-mobile allows this at no cost). That way, you don't need data on the IPad.
 
Seems typical of most Hooters these days. I guess smiling is not in the employee manual.


When that sentence started I thought it was going to be to lament that those aren't hooters-worthy hooters. Just sayin'.
 
Apparently hooters aren't a requirement anymore either.


Agreed. I was in Evansville, Indiana on business about 10 years ago, and we thought we'd go to Hooters to watch
Monday Night Football. Our waitress was probably 7 months pregnant. Buzzkill.
 
No.

If you are connected to wifi at the airport you can receive weather but when you travel out of wifi range you can't. You can use a phone with a data plan as a hotspot which would save you money but it involves another step.

Verizon/Apple cripples the hotspot function on iPhones you get through them so you have to pay another $10 + taxes a month in order to use a feature built into the product.

Crooked.
 
Verizon/Apple cripples the hotspot function on iPhones you get through them so you have to pay another $10 + taxes a month in order to use a feature built into the product.

Crooked.

Then go with T-Mobile and get wifi hotspot gratis.
 
With data share plans I'm happiest with my iPad mini 4G. No hotspot required. 128gig memory holds more than I need it to, battery life is crazy good, and the internal GPS works like a charm with Foreflight or Garmin Pilot. I have Retina display but not the newest model with the fingerprint reader. That just isn't a big deal to me. I almost never turn on my old full size iPad. Even then I had the cell data model but it required a separate data plan. The user fees these days are pretty favorable for my needs.
 
Verizon/Apple cripples the hotspot function on iPhones you get through them so you have to pay another $10 + taxes a month in order to use a feature built into the product.



Crooked.


I think this info is outdated. I use the hotspot on my VZ iPhone and iPad with all sorts of other devices. No additional cost.
 
I think this info is outdated. I use the hotspot on my VZ iPhone and iPad with all sorts of other devices. No additional cost.

Well tell that to my iPhone. If I try to enable it I get a message to contact Verizon to turn on the plan for a fee. As I said, it's crooked.
 
I have a Verizon android smasung phone that I tether my iPad for data away from home. No extra fee.
 
Well tell that to my iPhone. If I try to enable it I get a message to contact Verizon to turn on the plan for a fee. As I said, it's crooked.
PA - Are you grandfathered in on an unlimited data plan?
I am with my personal AT&T phone and have the same issue.
My work phone, also AT&T is a newer plan - 3 (or 5?) gig data limited, but no charge for the hot spot.
 
Switched over to the $100/mo unlimited everything thing from TMo last night.

Unlimited data means unlimited and no speed limit on TMo's network. 5 GB of tethering a month per phone.

Was fully expecting worse coverage out near and at our rural house, but didn't care. Wifi would cover that. Was expecting crap out there.

Totally shocked to find that "CellOne of NE Colorado" (really that's Viareo, a rural carrier in CO, WY, NE that has God awful customer service reviews), kicked in at the Douglas/Elbert County line, and we have 4-5 bars all the way home, in the driveway, and indoors! Holy crap!

Now it's TMo, so there's a catch, but no biggie. On the partner network, that's "Domestic Data Roaming" so you're down to Edge speeds (useless) and you have a cap of 50 MB (also useless).

But I don't need data while commuting out there. Hit the city, 4G everywhere I've gone so far.

Meanwhile, where we had spotty and usually unusable coverage out there for calls, we now have completely solid calling in the most likely place to find yourself alone in a ditch.

Total shocker to me. I'd never have thought in a million years that TMo would have a roaming agreement that actually covers my house!

To even have VZ coverage at the house I had to have a microcell. TMo both has real cell coverage thru their partner but also does native calling over Wifi direct from the phone. Nice!

If the phone will do it, they're also doing "HD" audio on LTE and Wifi. Even Karen remarked (and she doesn't notice or care about these things) about the audio quality TMo to TMo between us today. It's impressive on a car stereo with Bluetooth. Significantly better sounding than the VZ network.

Other stuff: iPads. I was worried looking at TMos website that I'd need a big data plan for them or leave them on VZ. Nope. $10/iPad/mo and they copy the data plan from the phone to the iPad. That 5GB limit on tethering? That's what you get. An ADDITIONAL 5GB per iPad. For $20! So an aggregate of 20GB of "tether able" data on four devices and unlimited on the two iPhones.

Total monthly savings: $100.

The only bad will be lack of data outside of the TMo network. For $100 less a month, I'll live with it. If I need data and will be in a totally dead TMo area for an extended time, I'll slap one of the VZ SIMs in an iPad and pay as needed. Or get a pay as you go hotspot. I doubt I'll even care.

I'll throw another observation. The "bars" on TMo don't lie. It was common to have "three bars" on VZ and have a call crap out. So far, even "one bar" on TMo means the silly thing really is working and can place/receive calls.

Also haven't seen any hiccups switching from Wifi calling to network. On VZ that was a one way handoff. You could start a call on the microcell and leave the house, but they do not have the ability to hand off the other direction at all. If I was talking on the spotty coverage in my driveway and got out of the car and went inside, call drop guaranteed.

VZ also couldn't do handoffs to whoever they partner with in my home county. We know one hill on the drive home as "cell drop hill". Call drops, phone switches networks (but doesn't show it, like TMo does. VZ hides their partners. Just says "Verizon" still on screen) and instantly four bars. Then multiple drops all the way home from there and tiny signal in the neighborhood.

In all, I'm impressed. TMo looks like they're really getting their tech act together and they've beat the others on customer service for a long time now.


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TMo now has similar roaming agreements (although 2G+ unlimited data in many international contracts.) globally. There are few places I go that it doesn't work, and with their wifi calling feature my number even rings in the middle of the ocean if I have Vsat onboard.
 
You can use a phone with a data plan as a hotspot which would save you money but it involves another step.

Only with the "right" data plan if you have Verizon (i.e., "More Everything.")
 
PA - Are you grandfathered in on an unlimited data plan?
I am with my personal AT&T phone and have the same issue.
My work phone, also AT&T is a newer plan - 3 (or 5?) gig data limited, but no charge for the hot spot.

No, 1Gb plan a year and a half old. Waiting for April to dump the crooks.
 
Only with the "right" data plan if you have Verizon (i.e., "More Everything.")
I don't know about Verizon. I have AT&T and the hotspot doesn't cost anything extra.
 
I don't know about Verizon. I have AT&T and the hotspot doesn't cost anything extra.

VZ and Apple apparently have a "deal" to disable the built-in hotspot feature of the iPhone.
 
VZ and Apple apparently have a "deal" to disable the built-in hotspot feature of the iPhone.


All carriers have that option. VZ exercises it on certain plans, apparently. Easy fix, just add money.
 
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