When I'm Sixty-Four...

I understood the reference, and I'm not even that old (although I feel older every day).

~ Christopher
 
dI just hate it, I'm already too old to be a commerical pilot and fly one of those 700 something airplanes. Oh well, I still have my trusty Cessna.
 
I do wonder how much this will affect hiring of new pilots as existing pilots remain on the payroll with the majors. Regionals are still hurting but that can change in due time. Subsequently, as regionals slow down then demand for starting students is lower. It's gonna make for an interesting trend to watch.
 
Well Ken I'm not sure that the financialy the airlines would want to hang on to the most senior pilots for another 5 years beacuse they could get young kids in making a heck of a lot less.

But if there really is a shortage of pilots I guess its a step toward filling the void.
 
CapeCodJay said:
Well Ken I'm not sure that the financialy the airlines would want to hang on to the most senior pilots for another 5 years beacuse they could get young kids in making a heck of a lot less.

But if there really is a shortage of pilots I guess its a step toward filling the void.
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Yep, I thought about the financial aspects. The whole idea in the majors any more is keep cost down and get rid of the burden affecting it. We'll see.
 
KennyFlys said:
Yep, I thought about the financial aspects. The whole idea in the majors any more is keep cost down and get rid of the burden affecting it. We'll see.
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Yeahbut, now that it's law I don't see how airlines are going to prevent those between 60 and 65 from staying on. The first company that tries to force them out will have an age discrimination lawsuit on their hands. Of course there are other ways to make them feel unwelcome, I guess.
 
Everskyward said:
Yeahbut, now that it's law I don't see how airlines are going to prevent those between 60 and 65 from staying on. The first company that tries to force them out will have an age discrimination lawsuit on their hands. Of course there are other ways to make them feel unwelcome, I guess.
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I thought they were doing that already!

For some pilots, it may be more economical for the airline to buy them out with an early retirement.
 
KennyFlys said:
For some pilots, it may be more economical for the airline to buy them out with an early retirement.
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Maybe, but I'm not really in touch with how airlines operate, especially the financial aspect. I'm not sure how things will change for pilots working at the airlines now, or for people wanting to be hired, but I'm sure the rule will have an effect. I have no aspirations in that direction, at all. I'm entrenched in my own little niche. One thing I can foresee is that there will be a big decrease in the number of retired airline pilots applying for charter and corporate jobs. I was always surprised at the number of people who wanted to try it. Must be the "grass is always greener" effect, or more likely, they needed some supplemental cash. We even hired a few. Some people make the transition better than others. :dunno:
 
Everskyward said:
Maybe, but I'm not really in touch with how airlines operate, especially the financial aspect. I'm not sure how things will change for pilots working at the airlines now, or for people wanting to be hired, but I'm sure the rule will have an effect. I have no aspirations in that direction, at all. I'm entrenched in my own little niche. One thing I can foresee is that there will be a big decrease in the number of retired airline pilots applying for charter and corporate jobs. I was always surprised at the number of people who wanted to try it. Must be the "grass is always greener" effect, or more likely, they needed some supplemental cash. We even hired a few. Some people make the transition better than others. :dunno:
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The very likely scenario is that all this will really result in that senior, older, aka higher paid pilots will be pushed out and not start collecting their pension benefits for another 5 years. They will be replaced by lower paid, younger workers who will be hired without benefits.
 
It is all about ICAO, of which the US is a member. ICAO allows pilots to fly until 65. That meant that a non-US pilot older than sixty, could fly into JFK and then fly to ORD or LAX, while a US pilot, on his sixtieth birthday could not. Simple as that. It just pi$$e$ all the young bucks that want to upgrade off, not realizing that in the long run they will make more money. Took an early(59and1/2) retirement(glad I got out when I did) from the airlines because I didn't think the age 65 rule would be passed this quick. So, BTDT. No big deal.
 
Everskyward said:
Maybe, but I'm not really in touch with how airlines operate, especially the financial aspect. I'm not sure how things will change for pilots working at the airlines now, or for people wanting to be hired, but I'm sure the rule will have an effect. I have no aspirations in that direction, at all. I'm entrenched in my own little niche. One thing I can foresee is that there will be a big decrease in the number of retired airline pilots applying for charter and corporate jobs. I was always surprised at the number of people who wanted to try it. Must be the "grass is always greener" effect, or more likely, they needed some supplemental cash. We even hired a few. Some people make the transition better than others. :dunno:
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I was thinking about that as I wrote my earlier post. A guy who gave me a mock 709 review back in 2005 had been retired from Delta for a year. He was going to stand with me for the actual ride since I had to have a CFI and could not fly solo to the other airport. He had to cancel as he was flying corporate for one of the chicken producers up here. He has stayed pretty busy with that all along.

Well, considering the water shortage in the Southeast, I doubt retiring pilots are getting to taxi home through a water arch. I'd hope that tradition continues even in a drought.

I have to wonder what retirements were in the works for these next couple weeks that are suddenly retired. Some HR managers might be doing some hair pulling.
 
KennyFlys said:
Well, considering the water shortage in the Southeast, I doubt retiring pilots are getting to taxi home through a water arch. I'd hope that tradition continues even in a drought.
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A couple weeks ago I was monitoring the ground frequency at Nashville and I heard a pilot say to ground, "Please thank the guys on the fire crew for me." At first I thought they might have had some kind of problem, but after listening to further conversation between this pilot and ground I realized this guy had just retired and they had given him the water arch.
 
If an old flight instructor retires, does he get to taxi a 150 through a water arch? :)
 
Everskyward said:
A couple weeks ago I was monitoring the ground frequency at Nashville and I heard a pilot say to ground, "Please thank the guys on the fire crew for me." At first I thought they might have had some kind of problem, but after listening to further conversation between this pilot and ground I realized this guy had just retired and they had given him the water arch.
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Now wait a minute...you were in Nashville and didn't call me to take you out for supper?

Don't let that happen again Mari:D
 
kevin47881 said:
Now wait a minute...you were in Nashville and didn't call me to take you out for supper?

Don't let that happen again Mari:D
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Kevin, I understand your devious mind! You just want to take advantage of her... for a ride in a biz jet. :)
 
Holy cats! This thread has taken a strange turn. :redface:
 
Everskyward said:
Holy cats! This thread has taken a strange turn. :redface:
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Old ATPs and Holy Cats don't go together?
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