What's the value of SIC time in my logbook?

Jaybird180 said:
I am surprised that no one has yet to mention the AOPA article led this gentleman down the wrong path.

The regulation requires the safety pilot to be properly rated in the aircraft to be flown. He only stated that he is not endorsed. Rating <> Endorsement.
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Huh? It seems that the OP said he is rated in the aircraft so he can act as SIC. He doesn't have the high-performance sign off so he cannot act as PIC. If he can't act as PIC he can't log PIC in a safety pilot situation. The other pilot would be the acting PIC.

But what I think he is really asking is if SIC time is worth logging if he is not intending to go on to a pilot career. I don't think it matters one way or another. It counts towards total time so that might help with his insurance unless the carrier is only interested in PIC time.
 
midlifeflyer said:
I hope that wasn't the case. Only one person at a time "assumes the role," IOW acts as, PIC at any given time. The logging rules are different but two PICs in one aircraft at the same time is not supported by any reg and is potentially a recipe for disaster.
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I am glad YOU brought that up. I was going to then chose not to fight that battle. :yes::D
 
Greg Bockelman said:
I am glad YOU brought that up. I was going to then chose not to fight that battle. :yes::D
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You are correct that there can only be one "acting" PIC for a given flight, but there are circumstances that would allow two pilots to log PIC time. For instance, if the acting PIC for the flight is the safety pilot, the other pilot can log all the time he is the sole manipulator of the controls as PIC time. In the example cited, the acting PIC safety pilot can log the entire flight as PIC. The non-acting PIC pilot would not need the necessary endorsements for the aircraft to log PIC but he would have to be rated category and class.
 
Everskyward said:
Huh? It seems that the OP said he is rated in the aircraft so he can act as SIC. He doesn't have the high-performance sign off so he cannot act as PIC. If he can't act as PIC he can't log PIC in a safety pilot situation. The other pilot would be the acting PIC.

But what I think he is really asking is if SIC time is worth logging if he is not intending to go on to a pilot career. I don't think it matters one way or another. It counts towards total time so that might help with his insurance unless the carrier is only interested in PIC time.
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Yep, you hit it on the head. And, for reasons both personal and mentioned in above responses, I've chosen to not log any of the hours I fly as a safety pilot for others. I'll just use it for an opportunity to fly and learn.

Thanks everyone. This thread went WAY longer than I had anticipated. That wasnt' my intent...
 
Witmo said:
You are correct that there can only be one "acting" PIC for a given flight, but there are circumstances that would allow two pilots to log PIC time.
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Yeah, yeah, I know all that. I think you know I know all that. James' post #35 wasn't 100% clear on that matter. What Mark wrote in post #39 was something I might have written but since Mark did it . . .
 
Witmo said:
You are correct that there can only be one "acting" PIC for a given flight, but there are circumstances that would allow two pilots to log PIC time. For instance, if the acting PIC for the flight is the safety pilot, the other pilot can log all the time he is the sole manipulator of the controls as PIC time. In the example cited, the acting PIC safety pilot can log the entire flight as PIC. The non-acting PIC pilot would not need the necessary endorsements for the aircraft to log PIC but he would have to be rated category and class.
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Yep, that.
 
Witmo said:
You are correct that there can only be one "acting" PIC for a given flight, but there are circumstances that would allow two pilots to log PIC time. For instance, if the acting PIC for the flight is the safety pilot, the other pilot can log all the time he is the sole manipulator of the controls as PIC time. In the example cited, the acting PIC safety pilot can log the entire flight as PIC. The non-acting PIC pilot would not need the necessary endorsements for the aircraft to log PIC but he would have to be rated category and class.
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Were you disagreeing with anyone in particular?
 
Everskyward said:
Huh? It seems that the OP said he is rated in the aircraft so he can act as SIC.
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To be legally correct, unless the aircraft or the regulations governing the flight require a "second in command", since 91.109(c) does not require a "second in command", a pilot acting as safety pilot required only by 91.109(c) is not acting as SIC even though s/he can log SIC time. This was discussed in the Chief Counsel's Beaty letter. This is similar to the questions of acting as PIC versus logging PIC time. OTOH, to act as SIC when a "second in command" is required (e.g., two-pilots-required aircraft), you must be not only rated, but also comply with all the SIC qualification requirements in 14 CFR 61.55.
 
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