What's the future for Cirrus?

denverpilot said:
It certainly meets the published criteria. Not that this particular Tapatalk user cares. ;)
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We've already established in another thread that you don't care. I've established that the Tapatalk excuse is bogus because you can see before you open the thread what forum it is in. You just don't get the bright green visual cue which you get on a browser.
 
JimNtexas said:
I had the great good fortune of spending some time in East Berlin during the 80s. That experience proved to me that socialism is both evil and unworkable.

Try imagine an economic system that could make an entire country of Germans both poor and living in filth!

Cars with two stroke motors and paper bodies! And those only for the top 5%!

Crappy binoculars that would embarrass a Chinese toy maker! That's socialism for you!
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In case you don't remember, the Germans were being punished. And, after the war, Germany was cleaned out. Other countries took their machinery and equipment for their own use. Kinda hard to build good stuff when you no longer have the equipment and are practically a slave.
 
SomeTexan said:
In case you don't remember, the Germans were being punished. And, after the war, Germany was cleaned out. Other countries took their machinery and equipment for their own use. Kinda hard to build good stuff when you no longer have the equipment and are practically a slave.
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Hence, proof of the folly of the system. Of course, things worked so very much better in the places to which the machinery and equipment were taken.
 
SCCutler said:
Hence, proof of the folly of the system. Of course, things worked so very much better in the places to which the machinery and equipment were taken.
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Germans were not commies, they were partially taken over by commies. What Russia got from Germany did help the Russian people for a short time, before their government could take it. The rest of the world punished Germany as well.

Now, I am not pro communism. I think socialism is a neat theory, but isn't applicable in real life. But, having done business in China before, it isn't as communist as you may think. Kind of a capitalism-socialism mix.

I would strongly suggest reading the book "Animal Farm" about Russia's fall from Marxism to communism. A quick glance and you will be able to see similar stuff happening in our government. Our government was originally designed so that if people with political power violated our constitutional right, they were to be executed for treason. When was the last time that happened? Our police, the closest level of government to the people, take an oath to uphold the constitution, and yet walk all over it. They are supposed to support the people, you know, "to protect and serve". But instead they choose to commit treason. New York is a good example, the police officers who watched and did nothing while a man was beaten, robbed and stabbed less than 10 feet from the cops, in their line of sight. The cops stood there shoveling doughnuts into their crooked faces while commiting treason by not doing their job. Until those officers are forced to watch their entire families tortured to death, and then are executed theirselves, there is no law there. The mayor and governor should be executed as well for not insisting that those traitors be put to death, as well as every single officer who has refused to do their job and stop the true criminals, the ones with badges. Our constitution gives us the right to peaceably protest, and yet the cops violate the constitution and put a stop to it. Unless the protesters are illegally in this country, then they can do what they want. I happen to agree with Thomas Jefferson, it's time to execute them all and start over. From the president to the smallest city council members, just push the reset button and dig a mass grave. With an outhouse on it.
 
Henning said:
The only problem with Communism is the human factor.
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The only problem with Fascism is the human factor.
The only problem with Monarchy is the human factor.
The only problem with Capitalism is the human factor.
The only problem with Socialism is the human factor.
The only problem with Anarchy is the human factor.
The only problem with Oligarchy is the human factor.

:rolleyes:
 
SomeTexan said:
In case you don't remember, the Germans were being punished. And, after the war, Germany was cleaned out. Other countries took their machinery and equipment for their own use. Kinda hard to build good stuff when you no longer have the equipment and are practically a slave.
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And as you remember, Germany was divided into two separate countries. One capitalist, one socialist. The same culture, split right down the middle. Both started with nothing at the end of WII.

It was for all practical purposes a controlled experiment, socialism v. capitalism!

The socialist side was such a horrible place to live that the socialists had to turn their country into a maximum security prison to keep their people from escaping!
 
I think the problem is when people on either side take ideological purity too far. There is a balance in the middle, although human nature says that we will never get any agreement on what that exact balance should be.
 
JimNtexas said:
And as you remember, Germany was divided into two separate countries. One capitalist, one socialist. The same culture, split right down the middle. Both started with nothing at the end of WII.

It was for all practical purposes a controlled experiment, socialism v. capitalism!

The socialist side was such a horrible place to live that the socialists had to turn their country into a maximum security prison to keep their people from escaping!
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I know Germany was split. Your point? The Russian's had more issues with Germany, so their punishment was more in line with the crime. Remember, we are the weirdo's that follow a bombing with a food drop, too many pantywaists that cry anytime you try to punish someone for their crimes. Remember how many non-militants, women and children were taken from their homes to be tortured and killed? Would you do that just because someone told you to? That was a nation that deserved what the Russians did to them. We should have followed their example in that aspect. If we did, would there have been a Cold War?
 
Everskyward said:
I think the problem is when people on either side take ideological purity too far. There is a balance in the middle, although human nature says that we will never get any agreement on what that exact balance should be.
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What would be your balance on Socialism? Communism?
 
Dav8or said:
The only problem with Fascism is the human factor.
The only problem with Monarchy is the human factor.
The only problem with Capitalism is the human factor.
The only problem with Socialism is the human factor.
The only problem with Anarchy is the human factor.
The only problem with Oligarchy is the human factor.

:rolleyes:
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I don't think Capitalism belongs in that list, capitalism is not a means of governance.

We are a representative republic.
 
EppyGA said:
What would be your balance on Socialism? Communism?
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I don't think you understood my point or I don't understand yours. There are some countries which have more socialist policies than ours which appear like fine places to live. People are not trying to escape. However, that doesn't mean that pure socialism would be a desirable thing any more than pure capitalism would be desirable.
 
JimNtexas said:
Cars with two stroke motors and paper bodies! And those only for the top 5%!
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Don't you talk smack about the Trabi!!! The body panels were made from recycled cotton and made into celluloid plastic, not paper, thank you very much! No need to buy a Corvette to get a fancy plastic body!! ;)

I love 'em. If I could have brought one home to drive around for kicks I would have.
 
I dug this out of my junk box. Physical proof that socialism sucks. Even commie-directed capitalism like they have in China is better!

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Everskyward said:
I think the problem is when people on either side take ideological purity too far. There is a balance in the middle, (...)
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I don't think there is. It's a diesel in Cirrus, or die.
 
SCCutler said:
Hence, proof of the folly of the system. Of course, things worked so very much better in the places to which the machinery and equipment were taken.
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Not for long it didn't, again, folly of the system still being perpetrated today. We just don't seem to be learning.
 
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