What to know about buying a jeep

"A Float" is just a lowboy flatbed trailer, you can get even cheaper, lighter ones that just have a set of runners for the wheels, but a full flatbed is more practical in the long run. I've seen lock out hubs up front on a 4WD but never in the rear. I haven't worked on any late model Jeeps, but the ones from the 80s on back had taper shaft axles into the hub. Most people tow Jeeps with the transfer case in neutral, but it's still working on the back side of the chain and gears, not a big deal though. Also saves you on those big expensive tires, towing is actually tpougher on them than driving plus you don't get all the crap kicked up into your grill and radiator.

http://www.tjtrailers.com/store/tandem-axle-car-hauler-trailer-6000-lb-gvwr.html

I investigate this idea of towing a trailer with our Pacifica on it rather that installing a transmition pump, and all the stuff that must be added to the newer cars to tow them 4 down. But I don't want the hassles of another thing to store when we are not using it, plus licensing, insurance, etc.

and getting thru some RV parks with a 20' trailer behind is a impossible.

Yes I know towing 4 down has its drawbacks too.
 
I investigate this idea of towing a trailer with our Pacifica on it rather that installing a transmition pump, and all the stuff that must be added to the newer cars to tow them 4 down. But I don't want the hassles of another thing to store when we are not using it, plus licensing, insurance, etc.

and getting thru some RV parks with a 20' trailer behind is a impossible.

Yes I know towing 4 down has its drawbacks too.
You see everybody and their brother pulling toads behind RVs four down with the transfer case in neutral. I agree that it probably isn't good for the toad, but I doubt it will ruin it. A trailer seems like a big hassle and expenses for what you might save in a little wear. The wear and tear pulling the Jeep is just the cost of doing business, or pleasure in your case.

This weekend I saw a huge motorhome pulling a Silverado behind it. That is not a toad, that is a bull frog.
 
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Off ROAD ??????? put a scratch on it ,,,,,,,, OMG grandma would kill me,,, :)

That Jeep is too clean. The natural color is MUD. And mine is the one vehicle where I don't worry about scratches. It's a Jeep, not a car. Although I will say that after 11 years and 161,000 miles it still looks pretty good.

I hope they are better on ice/snow than when I drove one in 1992. I did a completely unassisted 360 on a surface which admittedly rated pretty poor on the JBI, but nothing unusual for a northern, winter road. The ancient diesel Landcruiser did so much better, you could scream along ice at 60mph and it would track perfectly. (THE best vehicle in ice was the VW Scirocco; absolutely unbelievable!)

Remember the snow we had two winters ago (2008)? We live at the bottom of a steep hill. For over a week there was ONE vehicle that could make it up the hill. My Wrangler. Everyone else was stuck. Dropped it into 4WD and off we went.

Just remember, everybody has 4 wheel brakes. The Jeep doesn't stop any better than anyone else (tires being equal).
 
Just remember, everybody has 4 wheel brakes. The Jeep doesn't stop any better than anyone else (tires being equal).

Yeah, 4WD does not negate the laws of physics! Plus, many SUVs are both heavier than cars and have a higher center of gravity! I have to say, though, that we've had our (non-Jeep) SUV off road to the extent where I was balancing on two (diagonal) wheels, and we were moving rocks to get the clearance to get up the washes. Plus being queried by a cowboy on a horse as he looks for his missing calf was just surreal!
 
I investigate this idea of towing a trailer with our Pacifica on it rather that installing a transmition pump, and all the stuff that must be added to the newer cars to tow them 4 down. But I don't want the hassles of another thing to store when we are not using it, plus licensing, insurance, etc.

and getting thru some RV parks with a 20' trailer behind is a impossible.

Yes I know towing 4 down has its drawbacks too.

Yep, there's +s and -s to both ways.
 
I investigate this idea of towing a trailer with our Pacifica on it rather that installing a transmition pump, and all the stuff that must be added to the newer cars to tow them 4 down. But I don't want the hassles of another thing to store when we are not using it, plus licensing, insurance, etc.
By the way, my manual for JK says to tow with the transfer case in neutral, but transmission in park. No modifications are necessary. Note that JK has no locking hubs even in front. Front driveline is always driven, and we could be using a full-time 4WD system if only Chrysler deigned to provide one for us.

Also... One cute trick some people do is to tow with windshield folded (you can do it on JK too). They claim it saves fuel. Well, don't do it. If anything happens to the lock and windshield flies up at 70 mph, it will shatter.

-- Pete
 
This weekend I saw a huge motorhome pulling a Silverado behind it. That is not a toad, that is a bull frog.

I have a client, pulls a full-size Escalade behind his motor home. Between the motor home and the Escalade, he has around $800k in the rolling stock.

And he gives me crap for having a 1969 Bonanza.

(Good-natured crap)
 
Front driveline is always driven, and we could be using a full-time 4WD system if only Chrysler deigned to provide one for us.
-- Pete

My 1990 Grand Wagoneer is able to be full-time 4WD. It has a viscous coupler in the t-case that prevents you from blowing the t-case up by driving in 4WD on pavement. It isn't very good for the already poor gas mileage, though.

It also has lockout hubs AND vacuum front disconnect on the front axle to go along with the standard t-case hi/lo selector. There should be a checklist to get the darn thing in 4WD.
 
Then, sometimes you may need a tow even when fully locked up. Variation in driver skill, tires, pressure, etc, can make a big difference.

I have an 03 TJ with about 15K miles. I wouldn't let it go for any less $$.

I had more pucker factor on this trail than I ever had doing aerobatic training.

Of course, traffic is very very light!
 

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We flat-towed that from Cleveland to Bozeman, MT behind a Grand Cherokee. Only real issue we ran into is that reversing became... interesting.

It was more than a couple years ago so my memory is a bit fuzzy, but I somehow remember disconnecting the rear drive shaft and putting the transfer case in neutral. You won't want to do that, but just putting the transfer case in neutral should be more than fine. I do remember that we riding the limit (read: pretty well over the limit) in terms of the angle of the tow bar between the Grand Cherokee and the Wrangler. We didn't run into a problem, but it's something you might want to keep in mind.
 

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Only real issue we ran into is that reversing became... interesting..

lock the toad steering, and back, no corners, not more than 50".

other wise it "granny go unhook".
 
lock the toad steering, and back, no corners, not more than 50".

other wise it "granny go unhook".

Yup, that's about it. We were just really proficient at backing with a trailer, around corners and such, and when we couldn't do that with the toad it got interesting. After the first night we learned to park so that you could either pull straight out, or back straight up.
 
Correction - a Jeep now owns you as of today. :) It's a delicious obsession - sorta like aviation! :)

We've put 300+ miles on it, and for the life of me, I can't figure out why I haven't owned one before. fun as he--

we have been shopping for the equipment to tow it, and finding there isn't any thing cheap.

Naive me, thinking CJ, when in fact it's a JK, (2007-2010) no more lief springs, its coil front and back ala the hummer, and a new engine, tranny, and transfer case. Nothing on the body or running gear are the same. kinda like a new orphan
 
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We've put 300+ miles on it, and for the life of me, I can't figure out why I haven't owned one before. fun as he--

we have been shopping for the equipment to tow it, and finding there isn't any thing cheap.

Naive me, thinking CJ, when in fact it's a JK, (2007-2010) no more lief springs, its coil front and back ala the hummer, and a new engine, tranny, and transfer case. Nothing on the body or running gear are the same. kinda like a new orphan

Hehe, rides a little bit different, doesn't it?

Also, the tops are better now, way easier to get off and on.

Enjoy it :)
 
We've put 300+ miles on it, and for the life of me, I can't figure out why I haven't owned one before. fun as he--

we have been shopping for the equipment to tow it, and finding there isn't any thing cheap.

Naive me, thinking CJ, when in fact it's a JK, (2007-2010) no more lief springs, its coil front and back ala the hummer, and a new engine, tranny, and transfer case. Nothing on the body or running gear are the same. kinda like a new orphan

You can spend the big bucks and go with a Blue Ox setup, or go the cheap SOB farmer route and build a JC Whitney style tow-bar. Guess which one I did? $30 in parts and my tow-bar pulls my YJ just fine. Brakes? Honestly, my 27' Tioga C (Ford E350 460 4bbl) didn't notice it was back there, and we've got some small to medium hills just west of here.
 
You can spend the big bucks and go with a Blue Ox setup, or go the cheap SOB farmer route and build a JC Whitney style tow-bar. Guess which one I did? $30 in parts and my tow-bar pulls my YJ just fine.

we now have E-Bay, why bother building.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...0533162271&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Brakes? Honestly, my 27' Tioga C (Ford E350 460 4bbl) didn't notice it was back there, and we've got some small to medium hills just west of here.

Wa. requires brakes on any toad over 3K # Although in my Newmar I would not know it was back there if I didn't see it in the backup cam.
 
You can spend the big bucks and go with a Blue Ox setup, or go the cheap SOB farmer route and build a JC Whitney style tow-bar. Guess which one I did? $30 in parts and my tow-bar pulls my YJ just fine. Brakes? Honestly, my 27' Tioga C (Ford E350 460 4bbl) didn't notice it was back there, and we've got some small to medium hills just west of here.

Stay away from anything by Steel Horse (Rusted Pony as they are known on some Jeep boards).
 
Stay away from anything by Steel Horse (Rusted Pony as they are known on some Jeep boards).

I haven't been frequenting any jeep boards. don't think I will, but thanks for the heads up.
 
Nice!

Tom, are those tires 33's or 35's and if so what kind of lift kit is on it?

There 's a 4" kit, skid plates, and the tires measure 34" (LT315/70R17)
 
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I just bought a new Chevy Silverado. My wife hates buying a car. She was saying how ridiculous it is to go out shopping for something that has a price on it that no one is actually going to pay for it and have something to trade in for it that no one knows the exact value of. Then to look at this thing that you are going to buy, be very coy about what you will actually pay for it, while the are very coy about how much they will actually sell it for, then go home to have salesmen call you up at home later and try to trick you into believing that someone else might buy the thing out from under you if you don't buy it yourself before they do for a price that has yet to even be established. Then, after hours or even days of haggling to come to a mutual agreement on what you will pay for it and what they will give you for a trade in, only to find out later that there are hundreds of dollars worth of added expenses tacked on to it which were not mentioned during the haggling, or were mentioned in passing. After all this arguing over price, trying to get the lowest possible price that you can, these extra added expenses are just paid with no thought whatsoever. I told her that I think the process comes from horse trading. I think that car salesmen are just modern day horse traders, and that the whole process was established hundreds of years ago, before there were even cars.
 
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I just bought a new Chevy Silverado. My wife hates buying a car. She was saying how ridiculous it is to go out shopping for something that has a price on it that no one is actually going to pay for it and have something to trade in for it that no one knows the exact value of. Then to look at this thing that you are going to buy, be very coy about what you will actually pay for it, while the are very coy about how much they will actually sell it for, then go home to have salesmen call you up at home later and try to trick you into believing that someone else might buy the thing out from under you if you don't buy it yourself before they do for a price that has yet to even be established. Then, after hours or even days of haggling to come to a mutual agreement on what you will pay for it and what they will give you for a trade in, only to find out later that there are hundreds of dollars worth of added expenses tacked on to it which were not mentioned during the haggling, or were mentioned in passing. After all this arguing over price, trying to get the lowest possible price that you can, these extra added expenses are just paid with no thought whatsoever. I told her that I think the process comes from horse trading. I think that car salesmen are just modern day horse traders, and that the whole process was established hundreds of years ago, before there were even cars.

All reasons that when Leslie and I bought our first car, it was a Saturn. Our experiences with it were much better even than buying the Mercedes, ostensibly an "up-scale" experience.
 
I just bought a new Chevy Silverado. My wife hates buying a car. She was saying how ridiculous it is to go out shopping for something that has a price on it that no one is actually going to pay for it and have something to trade in for it that no one knows the exact value of. Then to look at this thing that you are going to buy, be very coy about what you will actually pay for it, while the are very coy about how much they will actually sell it for, then go home to have salesmen call you up at home later and try to trick you into believing that someone else might buy the thing out from under you if you don't buy it yourself before they do for a price that has yet to even be established. Then, after hours or even days of haggling to come to a mutual agreement on what you will pay for it and what they will give you for a trade in, only to find out later that there are hundreds of dollars worth of added expenses tacked on to it which were not mentioned during the haggling, or were mentioned in passing. After all this arguing over price, trying to get the lowest possible price that you can, these extra added expenses are just paid with no thought whatsoever. I told her that I think the process comes from horse trading. I think that car salesmen are just modern day horse traders, and that the whole process was established hundreds of years ago, before there were even cars.

Wait until you buy a house, with the offers, and counter offers. escrow, title searches, and all that.

I simply drove by the car lot and saw the jeep, we needed a toad, and didn't need to support the big truck any more, and there is no use in having 2 cars any more. so I stopped and looked at the jeep, the sales man asked if I wanted it, I said yes, he said we'll give average trade in for your 2 cars and sell the jeep for average resale.

as it turns out our 2 cars booked at 18,500 and the jeep booked for 22,300.

plus the jeep was better than any other used jeep on any lot around here at higher prices.

I thought it was a good enough deal and bought it.
 
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That's quite possible. I haven't been in the market for any goodies for my Jeep in quite a while (nor have I been active on any Jeep boards for quite a while, either).

I'm in a similar situation. I just pulled my 87 YJ out of the garage, poured some money into it, and am driving it again after a five year hiatus. I was looking for some rear view mirrors, and noticed there were no Steel Horse mirrors on the market. I looked around and could find nothing by them. I wonder if they pulled a Valu-Jet and just changed their name.
 
All reasons that when Leslie and I bought our first car, it was a Saturn. Our experiences with it were much better even than buying the Mercedes, ostensibly an "up-scale" experience.
If you think Benz and Bimmer sales forces are bad, wait until you talk to their service. I think the biggest reason Lexus does as well as it does has to do with their management keeping the service front-end in line and on short leash, and not with their cars being all that good in the class.
-- Pete
 
If you think Benz and Bimmer sales forces are bad, wait until you talk to their service. I think the biggest reason Lexus does as well as it does has to do with their management keeping the service front-end in line and on short leash, and not with their cars being all that good in the class.
-- Pete

Oh, we're using an independent mechanic for the Benz. Even so, it's worse than an annual! Last regularly scheduled maintenance was over $3K. The truck only has 180K on it!
 
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