As their instructor, I think that was a great call.... Have the student focus on airspeed and then expand on other items later ...
Fly the plane first....
What is it like to fly a Cirrus?
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As their instructor, I think that was a great call.... Have the student focus on airspeed and then expand on other items later ...
Fly the plane first....
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That was my impression coming from the Tiger - also known for light controls.
The Cirrus is not designed around the joy of flying. The Cirrus is designed around transporting someone somewhere safely and effectively. The Cirrus is not the right plane for every mission, but for a single engine traveling machine, it fills the roll best for most people on account of the technology available as well as the parachute. Cirrus owners don't buy planes out of the egoistic desire to flirt with danger and death, to prove themselves worthy to live. Cirrus owners buy planes because it's got to be the most pleasant way to travel that exists right now. You get the best of both driving a road trip and flying on an airline while avoiding the worst of both, you just have to pay extra for it...a lot extra.
With 180kts I get the views I would get driving across the counties, yet I can get coast to coast, Ft Lauderdale to Seattle, in one day. The only SE plane I would be comfortable doing that in is the SR-22. I couldn't afford one, so I got a 310 instead.
As their instructor, I think that was a great call.... Have the student focus on airspeed and then expand on other items later ...
Fly the plane first....
Don't particularly need airspeed either. The Quicksilver I had in HS had no airspeed indicator.
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You can go up in a DHC-2 for that price!
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I've heard flying a cirrus is like sex with a condom on, it's nice but not quite like the real thing
The Cirrus is not designed around the joy of flying. The Cirrus is designed around transporting someone somewhere safely and effectively. The Cirrus is not the right plane for every mission, but for a single engine traveling machine, it fills the roll best for most people on account of the technology available as well as the parachute. Cirrus owners don't buy planes out of the egoistic desire to flirt with danger and death, to prove themselves worthy to live. Cirrus owners buy planes because it's got to be the most pleasant way to travel that exists right now. You get the best of both driving a road trip and flying on an airline while avoiding the worst of both, you just have to pay extra for it...a lot extra.
With 180kts I get the views I would get driving across the counties, yet I can get coast to coast, Ft Lauderdale to Seattle, in one day. The only SE plane I would be comfortable doing that in is the SR-22. I couldn't afford one, so I got a 310 instead.
Oh boy
Because they are worthy to live? You read that in a cirrus brochure or something?
C210, white lightning, lanceair, etc. those will all meet or best a cirrus and for a fraction of the cost. They are also much more fun to fly and more capable.
You can go up in a DHC-2 for that price!
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I've heard flying a cirrus is like sex with a condom on, it's nice but not quite like the real thing
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Ha... Like taking a shower with a raincoat on....
You can go up in a DHC-2 for that price!
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I've heard flying a cirrus is like sex with a condom on, it's nice but not quite like the real thing
Oh boy
Because they are worthy to live? You read that in a cirrus brochure or something?
C210, white lightning, lanceair, etc. those will all meet or best a cirrus and for a fraction of the cost. They are also much more fun to fly and more capable.
The 210 more fun to fly than a Cirrus,
YHGTBSM. I don't mind a 210, but to call it fun is not really in my thoughts. Nor does it have a chute. The White Lightning and Lancair are both experimental, the market there is much smaller.The proving worthiness to live is part of the psychology of risk taking.
The thing that is obvious is that you are working off second hand information that was fabricated from no actual experience ever with regards to flying a Cirrus, right? Have you actually flown a Cirrus and developed your opinion on how fun they are to fly from that? If so, I'm surprised.
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The Cirrus is not designed around the joy of flying. The Cirrus is designed around transporting someone somewhere safely and effectively. The Cirrus is not the right plane for every mission, but for a single engine traveling machine, it fills the roll best for most people on account of the technology available as well as the parachute. Cirrus owners don't buy planes out of the egoistic desire to flirt with danger and death, to prove themselves worthy to live. Cirrus owners buy planes because it's got to be the most pleasant way to travel that exists right now. You get the best of both driving a road trip and flying on an airline while avoiding the worst of both, you just have to pay extra for it...a lot extra.
With 180kts I get the views I would get driving across the counties, yet I can get coast to coast, Ft Lauderdale to Seattle, in one day. The only SE plane I would be comfortable doing that in is the SR-22. I couldn't afford one, so I got a 310 instead.
Henning - that sums it up quite nicely!
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The 210 more fun to fly than a Cirrus,
The proving worthiness to live is part of the psychology of risk taking.
The thing that is obvious is that you are working off second hand information that was fabricated from no actual experience ever with regards to flying a Cirrus, right? Have you actually flown a Cirrus and developed your opinion on how fun they are to fly from that? If so, I'm surprised.
I found the SR-22 easy to fly...it's just an airplane. It didn't feel as stiff on the controls as an M20J and I did have to ask the salesman if he was tricking me by working the rudder pedals, the plane seemed to want to line itself up without any rudder input from me.
Of course I saw all the toys.
If I were buying a SE-piston, the SR-22 would be on the short list of candidates, in any price range.
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Agreed and it might work with Cirrus. The planes have been around and the maintenance and insurance is predictable.
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The 210 more fun to fly than a Cirrus,
The proving worthiness to live is part of the psychology of risk taking.
The thing that is obvious is that you are working off second hand information that was fabricated from no actual experience ever with regards to flying a Cirrus, right? Have you actually flown a Cirrus and developed your opinion on how fun they are to fly from that? If so, I'm surprised.
A 210 isn't my dream plane (hence the 185) but it's still more fun to fly compared to a Cirrus
Worthiness to live, living in fear doesn't qualify as living IMO.
No one gets out of life alive anyway, spend more time enjoying your brief stay
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There's Cirrus rentals in Sarasota. I don't know if they rent them in Tampa Exec any more. Both had SR-20.
Yep, and the great thing is commonality across the platform. Cirrus really is the platform due to the scale of the backing of both the airframe and engine manufacturer, and the fact that they have a good Diesel now as well for both the 20&22 platforms under their industrial umbrella. If Cirrus would take that kind of risk and produced Diesel 20&22s, did the whole FBO network (buy Signature) and just went for it, I predict the size of GA would triple if not more with the increase in utility and decrease in costs. It's much more cost effective to manage fleets than individual accounts, plus heavy fuels are much cheaper than AvGas and can be simply derived from bio sources. In a major utilization model, GA is great.
When operate major communal operating models of transportation, things get really cost effective and are proving out in small markets with communal bicycle and car programs where you grab one, take it where you need to go, and park it. Next person that needs it, takes it. If you could create a combined network of transportation that provided you access to an SR-2x, an electric car, and an electric hub bicycle wherever they go in the world, they would have a revolutionary business. Thing is, this would either require an evolutionary leap in cooperation within the private sector, or a single huge investor with a plan. Due to the risk and size of investment required to do it I don't see anyone outside Cirrus in the private sector who would have the ability to profit well from it, because it also profits sister companies building electric cars (The Chinese have a bunch that aren't DOT) and electric bikes. China is still under Communist control and guidance, and private enterprise operates at their allowance as well as direction. This can be a favorable thing to have one of these businesses when the government sees it needs something to serve the people. This is why China is diving into GA assets. A while back they had a devastating earthquake with many losses, all made worse by the lanes of access being severed, and the leadership saw where they needed to develop a GA infrastructure when they looked at how GA serves America during natural disasters bringing supplies to cut off communities like we did during the Northridge quake. I was flying water, baby formula, toilet paper, and diapers from Ontario to Long Beach for 3 days. This is not a unique occurrence, we use GA in a utility fashion quite effectively in emergency situations and rural operations, and their leadership has decided they need that capacity in small planes, so they are buying the technology they need to build their infrastructure.
That is the advantage you have when someone can steer business to act in the pubic's interest.
A 210 isn't my dream plane (hence the 185) but it's still more fun to fly compared to a Cirrus
Worthiness to live, living in fear doesn't qualify as living IMO.
No one gets out of life alive anyway, spend more time enjoying your brief stay
Some people need more adrenaline than other. Enjoyment is not a static quality across the species, people enjoy different things, people enjoy flying for different reasons. I enjoy flying for the views it affords me, what I get to see, plus I enjoy communing with machines, listening to the complex tones and harmonies, that's the real reason I fly twins, they sound better.
My next twin will have 985s if I get another one, that's pure music.
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This is exactly what I would need an airplane for. Everyone flies for different reasons, my reasons are exactly what you specified and enjoying the sights that only flying can provide.
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If you want to enjoy the scenery a C210 will still be a better plane, high wing, no struts. Also the choice of more professionals than the cirrus
You want a high speed people mover, don't screw around and get a white lighting
Here's a sweet one, 130hrs, cruise 200+ kts, lower fuel burn, higher wing loading, full glass, shoot any approach, center stick, auto pilot and AOA, ADSB traffic, speed brakes
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail...ston/2011/White+Lightning/WLAC-1/1777451.html
You want a high speed people mover, don't screw around and get a white lighting
Here's a sweet one, 130hrs, cruise 200+ kts, lower fuel burn, higher wing loading, full glass, shoot any approach, center stick, auto pilot and AOA, ADSB traffic, speed brakes
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail...ston/2011/White+Lightning/WLAC-1/1777451.html
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You can go up in a DHC-2 for that price!
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I've heard flying a cirrus is like sex with a condom on, it's nice but not quite like the real thing
If flying a Cirrus is as safe as wearing a Condom when having sex. I'll go with the Condom. If you play "Too much dog" you will catch fleas you can't get rid of!
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John I contacted them last night, (Sarasota FL) I will see what I can come up with!
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I never flown a Cirrus,
But the way people talk about it is they either hate it or love it. That is why I need to try it out for myself for a few hours.
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Eh, that's like comparing a BMW to a hotrod. Apples and oranges.
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But there's only 12 or so of them flying around the US, so spare parts may be an issue. That being said, I would kill to have one!
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Very much so, BMW being mostly image and falling in resale value like a rock year after year, having far too much electronics that start to crap out after about year 3, and WAAAY too much plastic for the price range.
Vs a vehicle that is collection worthy, which doesn't really depreciate, built with hand picked parts and with pride, which will haul some serious arse.
Now back to the planes
Then there is the comfort level, with the higher wing loading the WLC will be smoother in turbulence compared to the cirrus.
With the rear back facing seats you'll probably have more leg room,
plus you'll spend more time at your destination with the significant speed difference, shoot better profiles with the AOA, you have glass and it's cheaper to upgrade.
It is like apples and oranges
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Very much so, BMW being mostly image and falling in resale value like a rock year after year, having far too much electronics that start to crap out after about year 3, and WAAAY too much plastic for the price range.
Vs a vehicle that is collection worthy, which doesn't really depreciate, built with hand picked parts and with pride, which will haul some serious arse.
Now back to the planes
Then there is the comfort level, with the higher wing loading the WLC will be smoother in turbulence compared to the cirrus.
With the rear back facing seats you'll probably have more leg room,
plus you'll spend more time at your destination with the significant speed difference, shoot better profiles with the AOA, you have glass and it's cheaper to upgrade.
It is like apples and oranges
Let's see....do you even own a BMW? Or even lease one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYz8fV80K6U
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There's nothing at $40k that interests me.Not in the $40,000 price range...
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Bought and sold enough of em' they tend to need more repairs and those ain't cheap, plus speclity tools and the performance doesn't justify it.
BMWs and Benz, once that bumper to bumper is up sell it ASAP. Also buying one new, god forbid leasing one
Unlike older real Porsche, Vettes, Lexus/Toyota, Honda/Acura etc.
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Something very wrong about this price.
The most expensive Cirrus that I can rent in the Bay Area goes for $425/hour and it is 2013, turbo, with FIKI, oxygen and A/C. But you can get a very similarly equipped 2008 (no FIKI) for $365/hr.
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Yes, wet. No instructor, nobody adds instructor fee when talking about aircraft rental rates. BTW, I would like to find a club that rents 'dry', perhaps even tach time, no such place I can find within 100 miles of where I am. And rental fees for SR20 are about $240-260 (all G1000).
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No doubt. I got an hour flight time and and 4 landings in a $750,000 2014 FIKI SR22T on the demo. I have a pal who works for cirrus. I mentioned my dad was interested in buying one (probably used) and they hooked us up with a flight when the demo bird was in town.
Well it worked, the Cirrus is a nice plane. Not really a pilot's plane but the prices for G1's have come down and the speed, fuel burn and useful load make sense. They are definitely travel/passenger friendly.
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There is a gal who comes through here yearly from Cirrus giving intro flights...
I never had the nerve to lie to her to get a free demo ride under the pretense of me being a future buyer...
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There is a gal who comes through here yearly from Cirrus giving intro flights...
I never had the nerve to lie to her to get a free demo ride under the pretense of me being a future buyer...
Oh, they'll give you a ride anyway because of the word of mouth advertising you would bring to the table, it's invaluable. Back before Cessna bought Columbia the salesman gave me a demo in the 400tt, and he knew full well that there was no way I could buy one. He also knew that I worked for and was friends with people who could since he met me on a yacht. That's the reason they go around and offer demo rides, they don't believe they are going to sell a plane on that ride, they believe you are going to tell people about the awesomeness of that ride and one of those people will buy one.
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I agree.
Diesel or design something that can run on premium pump gas. Problem is the ethanol. Absorbs water.. does not last long... also will ruin fiberglass.
Ethanol is a complete disaster
For biofuel, algae Diesel is a much better source than ethanol.
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I never had the nerve to lie to her to get a free demo ride under the pretense of me being a future buyer...
Henning is right.
There is no pre qualification. They don't want to see your W2. If you are a pilot and willing to take a demo ride, you're in.
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There is a gal who comes through here yearly from Cirrus giving intro flights...
I never had the nerve to lie to her to get a free demo ride under the pretense of me being a future buyer...
You fly it, you will think about buying it.
How do you say in Latin, "Flyer Beware"?
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The same could be said about an RV. I have no need for 4 seats anymore, so once I started flying friends' RVs, I knew what I *had* to buy. Now I own one