What can we ALL learn from this Cessna 182 engine out

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It looked like he checked everything out and the engine still quit on him. He is lucky he had a place to land because if he was in a populated area it would've been difficult!
 
"What can we ALL learn from this Cessna 182 engine out"

  • Fly twins instead? :stirpot:
  • Bring a brown paper bag every time you fly for hyperventilation prevention
  • Make sure you sump all the water out of the tanks...not just the first jar full
All I got for now.
 
The kid did a good job...knowing that he comes out ok, I have to laugh at the way his voice changed though...he went from "I'm a cool pilot voice" to "I just **** my pants voice" real quick.

Although I did have an engine out once, I was NORDO at the time, so I don't know what my voice would have sounded like. I can say that when the sheet has hit the fan at work and I've been shot at / or otherwise, I've often been apprehensive to listen to the radio tapes. When someone's a new officer, its common to go from 0-60 with your voice, screaming and yelling. Listening to my last 10 years of intensive situations, I was pleasantly surprised to hear how calm I sounded on the radio...comes with experience I guess.
 
Good job, and it sure is nice to live somewhere flat. Around here, it's all wooded hills.
 
Radar Contact said:
  • Fly twins instead? :stirpot:
  • Bring a brown paper bag every time you fly for hyperventilation prevention
  • Make sure you sump all the water out of the tanks...not just the first jar full
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Fly the airplane, not the checklist
Don't use a hat mounted camera

Oh, and good job planting it (apparently) without damage.
 
It’s a reminder of how fast the situation can change. Good job !
 
Did a good job.

What's up with all that panting before he had the problem? Sounded like @SkyDog58 having sex by himself. That's what @eman1200 told me anyway....
 
I think we can learn that it happens when you least expect it to. He did a nice job. He’ll live to fly another day and the airplane will to! :thumbsup:
 
It seemed to me that he was not climbing anywhere close to Vy. Maybe it was a really hot day or the 172 I fly climbs a lot faster that his 182?

Good job on setting it down cleanly.
 
Something feels hinky about this video, but not sure why. Maybe because it's posted by a professional YouTuber. But I looked for an NTSB report, and there's no record. That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but the uploaded said the FAA was investigating the cause, so I figured there'd be something.

Anyhow, he walked away and the plane seemed undamaged, so that's all good. Hard to read the instruments on my phone (especially with that giant thing on the yoke), but it appears the engine was making power and he was at least maintaining altitude up to the point he decided to put it down, so he may have been able to turn around our land on the crossing runway.

Would like to know what the flaps were set at, whether he sumped, etc.
 
Engine sounded “off” not long after take off. Making power but it didn’t sound like full power.
 
When it happens to me, I'll likely curse and insist on trying to will the airplane to fly. I'll probably forget to do a cockpit check too.

If the engine isn't making full power, I want the airplane on the ground as soon as I can reasonably get it there and hopefully not before. If the airplane is usable again afterwards, that's gravy.
 
This has come up before and is in one of the message areas with the pilot commenting on it here or red board. Was in south Texas, pilot was relatively new.
 
Radar Contact said:
"What can we ALL learn from this Cessna 182 engine out"

  • Fly twins instead? :stirpot:
All I got for now.
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Just a little more time to the crash site? Unless you fly a DA62

abqtj said:
Engine sounded “off” not long after take off. Making power but it didn’t sound like full power.
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I noticed that too. When he did the run up, it might've been radio interference but it sounded like the engine RPM was going up and down. I also noticed that he didn't mentioned oil pressure either. Sometimes we can get complacent and see something that is not actually there.
 
FloridaPilot said:
Just a little more time to the crash site? Unless you fly a DA62
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How much experience do you have flying more capable twins? I was speaking with a little tongue-in-cheek when I commented but I would have had about 450-500 fpm climb single engine already out of 1000 agl when he started losing power if I completely lost one. Having partial power loss on one as in his situation would have been a semi-routine return for landing resulting in taxiing to park vs calling an airplane retrieval service.

I still fly singles/don't expect everyone to have a mission or want to fly twins and think he did a good job to put it down and be able to walk away. The old wives tell about all twins but a DA62 only taking you to the crash site I'm guessing is also your version of tongue-in-cheek?
 
Radar Contact said:
How much experience do you have flying more capable twins? I was speaking with a little tongue-in-cheek when I commented but I would have had about 450-500 fpm climb single engine already out of 1000 agl when he started losing power if I completely lost one. Having partial power loss on one as in his situation would have been a semi-routine return for landing resulting in taxiing to park vs calling an airplane retrieval service.

I still fly singles/don't expect everyone to have a mission or want to fly twins and think he did a good job to put it down and be able to walk away. The old wives tell about all twins but a DA62 only taking you to the crash site I'm guessing is also your version of tongue-in-cheek?
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When you said "Fly twins instead" you were expecting some sort of reaction hence the stirring of the pot.

I'd figure I will play with you for a little bit. I have ZERO experience flying twins because I don't want to:

#1. Burn twice as much fuel

#2. Make twice as much noise.

#3. Increase my odds of having an engine out (Because I have two engines)

#4. Go pretty much as fast, (Compared to a single)

#5. If owned support the maintenance persons kids and his/her kids, kids

The old wives tale does apply to some twins. Some twins can't fly straight on just one engine.

He did a good job but I often wonder what would've happened if he had this issue in a populated area with no place to land. How he handled himself during the engine out was great but was it pilot skill? it's hard to say!
 
Lindberg said:
They don't investigate unexplained engine failures that lead to emergency landings?
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The criteria for a reportable accident don't include the circumstances you describe. No injury, not much property damage, no crew illness, no control system failure, etc.
 
Incident addressed on here a while ago. It was @funkster9. @Funkeruski I believe is related to him, also on here. Lifter failures led to partial power. He did well enough.
 
Radar Contact said:
How much experience do you have flying more capable twins? I was speaking with a little tongue-in-cheek when I commented but I would have had about 450-500 fpm climb single engine already out of 1000 agl when he started losing power if I completely lost one. Having partial power loss on one as in his situation would have been a semi-routine return for landing resulting in taxiing to park vs calling an airplane retrieval service.

I still fly singles/don't expect everyone to have a mission or want to fly twins and think he did a good job to put it down and be able to walk away. The old wives tell about all twins but a DA62 only taking you to the crash site I'm guessing is also your version of tongue-in-cheek?
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Give it up RC. Its like trying to convert herbal tea drinkers to dark roast. :cool:

As I posted once before, most every twin pilot here has a fair amount of experience flyng singles, but most single flyers have zero experience PIC in twins. But that doesn't stop some of the latter from feeling they are qualified to make the comparison. :rolleyes:
 
FloridaPilot said:
#4. Go pretty much as fast, (Compared to a single)
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Disclaimer: I have no evidence to back this up, I just recall reading/hearing this somewhere.
For the twins that have identical single counterparts i.e Seneca vs Lance, Arrow vs Seminole, Comanche vs Twin Comanche, Bonanza vs Twin Bonanza you get:
1.2x the speed
1.5x the payload
2.0x the fuel burn/Maintenance cost
 
hindsight2020 said:
Incident addressed on here a while ago. It was @funkster9. @Funkeruski I believe is related to him, also on here. Lifter failures led to partial power. He did well enough.
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Not to drag out a discussion that's already been had at some point in the past but is there anything that would have showed up in a pre-flight/engine run-up/scan of gauges prior to departure?.. Or is this one of those 'poop happens' sort of things that everyone talks about and not-so-secretly hopes to never experience?
 
CJ Rader said:
is there anything that would have showed up in a pre-flight/engine run-up/scan of gauges prior to departure
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maybe running up to static RPM before releasing the brakes... Might have failed on the runway rather than after rotation or maybe showed some sickness by not reaching expected static RPMs... Other than that, I think, yea $hyt happens.
 
Lindberg said:
Something feels hinky about this video, but not sure why. Maybe because it's posted by a professional YouTuber. But I looked for an NTSB report, and there's no record. That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but the uploaded said the FAA was investigating the cause, so I figured there'd be something.

Anyhow, he walked away and the plane seemed undamaged, so that's all good. Hard to read the instruments on my phone (especially with that giant thing on the yoke), but it appears the engine was making power and he was at least maintaining altitude up to the point he decided to put it down, so he may have been able to turn around our land on the crossing runway.

Would like to know what the flaps were set at, whether he sumped, etc.
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You need AIDS to find it:

http://www.asias.faa.gov/pls/apex/f?p=100:18:0::NO::AP_BRIEF_RPT_VAR:20121023025089I
 
dmspilot said:
You need AIDS to find it:

http://www.asias.faa.gov/pls/apex/f?p=100:18:0::NO::AP_BRIEF_RPT_VAR:20121023025089I
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Which has a URL starting with “Asias”. LOL. Makes sense.

When I navigated backward to the top of the list, the HondaJet power drift was at the top of the list!

“VTEC kicked in, yo!”

http://www.asias.faa.gov/pls/apex/f?p=100:18:0::NO::AP_BRIEF_RPT_VAR:20170712007969I

Interesting how far behind that database seems. Latest stuff input into it appears to be July of this year.
 
CJ Rader said:
Not to drag out a discussion that's already been had at some point in the past but is there anything that would have showed up in a pre-flight/engine run-up/scan of gauges prior to departure?.. Or is this one of those 'poop happens' sort of things that everyone talks about and not-so-secretly hopes to never experience?
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Maybe. Depends. We don’t know the cause of the failure in this one, so ... hard to say. Some pending failures might show up on an engine monitor if equipped. Etc. etc. etc.


Reality is, sometimes there’s no warning. Out of multiple friends who had engine outs or partial power loss, I’d say about half felt they had some kind of wanting, and none felt they had any warning on the ground, or anything out of the ordinary.

One, attributes one of her engine outs to the usual shady crap in aircraft sales, it was being ferried. She’s had multiple and the others were not ferries or known problems.

She’s been ferrying across oceans in singles lately so she must feel fairly confident in those aircraft.

Two others were fuel starvation due to system failures.

Another was a broken and injested valve that broke without warning and beat the holy hell out of one piston and broken bits wandered around and damaged others.

And then there’s my glider buddy who jokes that he has an engine failure every single flight and every flight is an emergency by my standards. ;)
 
denverpilot said:
Maybe. Depends. We don’t know the cause of the failure in this one, so ... hard to say. Some pending failures might show up on an engine monitor if equipped. Etc. etc. etc.
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Failure reported as three collapsed lifters. There was probably some warning but easy to miss for a new pilot or an engine/prop that isn't well balanced.
 
Interesting. Engine failure is one of those things always lurking in the back of my mind. I fly in an area rife with hills and trees and a big, honking lake. My instructor always points out the lone grass strip in the practice area before we start maneuvers and says "We can make it there if things get dicey."
 
I think engine outs and mid air collisions have two things in common. The amount we stress over them is not in proportion to the likelihood of them actually occurring.
 
steingar said:
I think engine outs and mid air collisions have two things in common. The amount we stress over them is not in proportion to the likelihood of them actually occurring.
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I used to think that until I hit an age where I know multiple people with multiple engine outs. Of different varieties.

But I “only” know one who’s survived a mid-air.

Meaning, the former isn’t as rare as I thought, and the latter happens too, but usually kills you outright, and I know someone who got lucky.
 
mryan75 said:
What’s a “collapsed lifter”?
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It's when a lifter won't open an intake or exhaust valve. If the valve can't open properly, then depending on whether it's an intake or exhaust valve, the engine either can't bring in enough air through the offending valve or expel enough exhaust. Either way, it does a number on your power, as the gentleman in the video experienced.
 
CJ Rader said:
It's when a lifter won't open an intake or exhaust valve. If the valve can't open properly, then depending on whether it's an intake or exhaust valve, the engine either can't bring in enough air through the offending valve or expel enough exhaust. Either way, it does a number on your power, as the gentleman in the video experienced.
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Ah, gotcha. Thanks! Having seen the video I think I woulda pulled the power earlier and taken that field to the right of the airport. Easy to say from here.
 
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