I understand your position. My fiancee flys for Delta as well and I still don't support CARES 2.0. It kinda makes it more difficult seeing big pay rolling in and watching the country suffer. I know the industry will bounce back and her and Jordan will both come back to great jobs though.
We haven't airlined since the whole pandemic started. Our owner wasn't in favor of that. Starting next month I think we will be back in the airline seats and I hope many others start to come back too.
It has nothing to do with what airline employees do, or don't, deserve. It's about maintaining a viable air travel system.
So far only one guy in our class got lucky with a part 91 Citation job. The rest haven’t been able to get a call back from any 135. It’s understandable. I’ve had 2 companies call me back and I told them up front, I’d be returning as soon as Delta calls so they’re not going to invest money into training me if I’m not staying for long term. If this pilatus gig works out, that’s great. If it doesn’t, that’s fine too.
This is what drives me bananas. Even though I have a significant vested interest in the success of Delta I also hate as a tax payer that Airlines are funded by us when times get tough. I also hated when GM got the ol' bailout back in the '08 crash.
Buy Delta....if you can get a ticket without going through ATL
If you lived on my side of the country I'd do all i could to help get you into an airplane during the time you're out of the 121 world.
I think the attitude of our chief pilot at the time was that the pilots were going to be furloughed for at least a couple years, if not more. There was also no guarantee that non-airline pilots were going to stay for much more than that timeframe anyway. Although some people stayed for a long time, many thought the job was more of a stepping stone. Get your turbine and jet time, then move on. The company was openly realistic about what they were willing or able to pay. "We are not United Airlines."
Sorry to hear this, but best of luck to you.Today I received my furlough letter from Delta. Unless there’s a cares 2, I’ll be out on October 1st. Its been crazy the past few months but I’ve been expecting it. Thankfully, ALPA is paying for COBRA so I don’t need to worry about insurance for 18 months, which is good because my current job doesn’t offer any. My last flight was February 22nd with Endeavor. I’ve been working as a car transporter for hertz. It’s funny, I’ve been more to JFK the past few weeks with hertz than with Delta! My former student’s dad is offering me right seat in a PC-12 all part 91. He owns a 135/91 company in FRG and they fly Falcon 2000s, GIV, PC-12, and an S-76z His pilot is leaving the first week of September and he said I can sit right seat. Once I get enough hours, he’s going to send me to flight safety so I can get PIC qualified. Thanks for coming to my ted talk
They're required by law to run some of those routes, to be fair. Nobody runs unprofitable routes for the fun of it.
He was fantastic in Shawshenk Redemption!
Better for whom?
The CARES Act required participating airlines to maintain service. Some reductions were allowed but route eliminations were generally not. That is on track to expire at the end of September.
They aren’t wrong. I would normally be on Delta several times a month with my new job. I haven’t flown since the end of February. Our corporate policy does not allow travel unless extreme emergency.
I agree with his #3 but as you say... not this forum/thread
It was also really expensive to buy a ticket. Pick your poison. If we still had regulation the industry would have never been that big because most of the traveling public wouldn’t be able to afford a seat. I have bought airline tickets for less than the cost of fuel in my car. No way that happens in a regulated market. Frankly. I don’t give a crap if any or all of the airlines bust. There is always someone waiting in the wings to make their mark in industry. The airplanes, gates and skilled labor don’t disappear. Just the management that couldn’t keep it going. Free markets rock.
Not really. I would still be a captain and still have a job. The only difference is I wouldn’t be at Delta for another few years because no one is going to hire. I’d rather be furloughed and have a seniority number at Delta than stuck at a regional as a captain making good money for the next few years. Everyone is staying at their current position and airline for the next few years. Short term it would have been better to stay at Endeavor but long term it wouldn’t have been.
Isn't that how most unions work? Last in, first out.
Yes. The cuts come from the bottom. Some junior captains got downgraded but as of now, no one is getting furloughed at Endeavor.
Complete opposite of why a union exists. You're thinking like a business owner/ non-union manager! Unions aren't generally concerned about minimizing payroll costs, because that's their main selling point to union members (pushing for higher wages/ benefits). They also don't care much about essential staffing, but they do care about keeping as many members employed as possible, even when they are poor performers being highly paid (seniority trumps most everything). I'm not digging on the ALPA or other airline-associated unions necessarily, just speaking about unions in general. Unions don't exist to save the company money or align with management's best interests, they exist to extract as much money as possible for their members.
They're worried about it putting the national and global economy on complete lockdown again.
Just like businesses don't exist to serve the best interests of their employees, but rather to exploit them as much as possible for as little cost as possible. There are other highly-industrialized countries where neither of these two things is the case and everyone prospers. Germany is an example. In this country, as with everything else, we live with the biggest extremes at either end. At least we did.
