Well it was a good (almost) 10 years.

Brad Z said:
You know plate readers are tracking where you drive your car. Might want to consider a bicycle instead.
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Not where I live and work they aren't. I'm outside of any city limits, and I know for a fact there are no cameras where I am 99+% of the time.
 
EdFred said:
Back in May of 2009 I flew to Florida and picked up an airplane.

Today, I signed an 8050-2 form. That's the FAA Bill of Sale for those not in the know of all the form numbers. I didn't really feel like being watched by everyone and their brother who builds an ADS-B monitor and have it be known when I'm not home. I really don't care about the FAA knowing, but when anyone and everyone can see what I'm doing and there's no way to hide myself from view I decided that it was time to let it go and not be an owner anymore.

I doubt I will be looking for a new airplane anytime soon.
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I would take the money and pay some doubles so some low tech person just doesn’t watch your driveway follow you around and know what you doing.
 
Lowflynjack said:
What I haven't seen is anything saying we have to broadcast our N-number. Is that a requirement? I like having ADS-B In. Like a lot of people, I hated the idea of being forced to add it, but I've grown to love it. That being said, I like seeing another airplane flying directly toward me, but I don't care who it is or what your N-number is.
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Your ADS-B out device is programmed with a 24 bit code that is your N number. The entry of a flight number/callsign which can easily be changed is sent as different data. (Yes, I know you can re-program your transponder to not send the proper 24 bit code for your N number, but that's between you and the FAA)

If you're using a 1090 ADS-B out device it must always transmit your unique 24 bit code.

If you're using a 978(UAT) out device and a standard Mode C transponder squawking 1200 you can set your ADS-B out device to 'anonymous' mode which uses a random ID code for the flight, hopefully your installer enabled that feature.

No, adding your aircraft to the FAA BARR list will not block the hobby sites from tracking you, some sites may abide by that blocking request but a number of them receive no FAA data and only rely on hobbyist receivers and don't block anything, no matter how nicely you ask.

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Here's a shot of an aircraft my receiver is currently tracking, note the callsign GTIxxx, the 24 bit code Axxxx(in hex) and the tail number Nxxx
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EdFred said:
Not where I live and work they aren't. I'm outside of any city limits, and I know for a fact there are no cameras where I am 99+% of the time.
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Satellites, bruh. Eye in the sky. Dincha ever watch Enemy of the State?
 
Brad Smith said:
Ed - I noticed that your profile page has your gender, location, birthday and occupation. And you're worried about ADS-B?
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You are assuming all of that information is accurate. My profile also doesn't tell you when I'm not at home.
 
Brad Smith said:
Ed - I noticed that your profile page has your gender, location, birthday and occupation. And you're worried about ADS-B?
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I know. Weird. On a whim, with 10 minutes of googling I had his address, work address, work email, work phone, relatives names, other email addresses... and if I actually cared and wanted to pay money, I could do a comprehensive records search.
 
Sluggo63 said:
I know. Weird. On a whim, with 10 minutes of googling I had his address, work address, work email, work phone, relatives names, other email addresses... and if I actually cared and wanted to pay money, I could do a comprehensive records search.
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I have done the same thing. That information is not entirely accurate, and I have not bothered to let them know it's not. Depending on which site it was that you went, I have up to 4 different occupations - 3 of which I have never been associated with, and it also has incorrect relatives - which I am also fine with.
 
A number of years ago, banks were required to put in place disclosures to their customers about their privacy practices. As a bank compliance officer, I said then and still say today, our privacy statement should be just 7 words: "There is no privacy. Get over it."
 
eman1200 said:
I guess the best way to respond to this is with a copyrighted flow chart (mods can u please make this a sticky?)


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The first box should be, "Do you own an airplane?"
 
Brad Z said:
You know plate readers are tracking where you drive your car. Might want to consider a bicycle instead.
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Neat. Can you point me to the public website where I can track anybody in real time using their plate number?
 
Katamarino said:
Neat. Can you point me to the public website where I can track anybody in real time using their plate number?
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No but I did find a plate reader map that shows the 4 we have in our metro area. I haven't driven through 3 of the intersections. 1 I have driven through maybe 3 times in the past 8 years.
 
EdFred said:
You guys in the beltway really don't understand the rest of the country.
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Au contraire...I come from that part of the country and enjoy my privacy as much as the next guy. Im just not quite ready to ditch my plane over it. Trust me, I get it. I fly inside of the FRZ. TSA even once tried to unsuccessfully take enforcement action against me for their own error. It's a headache living here. I just like driving my 45 year old soda can with wings too much. If it wasn't for my wife's job, I'd live ANYWHERE else but up here.
 
I’m just curious about the need to share the details of the decision to sell.
 
ElPaso Pilot said:
EdFred -

I sense a new business opportunity for you.

Peel-off temporary N-numbers with eman’s registration, and a selectable output wired to your ADS-B...

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Just go to a local graphics shop and have em make up some high speed vinyl wraps. One of the local ones says they should be good to up to 400mph.
 
You know Ed, some of us are making light of your decision, but you are 100% correct. We have given up any semblance of privacy using these stupid internet devices and around here there is a camera on every traffic signal and every few miles on the highways. There are readers that I'm sure can read ez pass type devices and when we carry our cell phones we can be located with in a few feet. There is no privacy anymore.
 
You know....I would say Ed is a bit tin foil hatish on this one. But then I realized that I could easily register "robthispilot.com" and have home address, map with directions, nearby options and flight status for anyone with ADS-B pretty easily .

I wouldn't sell a plane or refuse to buy one as a result, but I do think this needs more visibility to the powers that be.
 
SkyHog said:
You know....I would say Ed is a bit tin foil hatish on this one. But then I realized that I could easily register "robthispilot.com" and have home address, map with directions, nearby options and flight status for anyone with ADS-B pretty easily .

I wouldn't sell a plane or refuse to buy one as a result, but I do think this needs more visibility to the powers that be.
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The powers that be have this visibility, as it has been raised numerous times. Face it, small planes are seen as a security threat, and this data was selected as somehow vital to keeping the voting public safe.

Unfortunately, the IT implementation is horribly insecure, in a manner only our government could pull off.
 
EdFred said:
Just go to a local graphics shop and have em make up some high speed vinyl wraps. One of the local ones says they should be good to up to 400mph.
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We used to put graphics on our Falcon 10s for a couple of companies...we had to get the less-sticky ones so they’d come off, but we never had a problem, and got up to almost 500 KTAS.
 
EdFred said:
Just go to a local graphics shop and have em make up some high speed vinyl wraps. One of the local ones says they should be good to up to 400mph.
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Actually, a technology problem needs a technology solution. E-Ink or LED or flap displays that display whatever N number you're currently faking.
 
Katamarino said:
So, your comparison is nonsense then...
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My point is that if someone wants to track you down, they can.

Just as a network of ADS-B out monitors have been set up to track planes, there's nothing to prevent private citizens from setting up a network of plate readers to track and follow license plates. Law enforcement does this already to find stolen vehicles, delinquent ticket payers, etc., but there's nothing to prevent you from setting up a camera and publishing what you see.
 
Brad Z said:
My point is that if someone wants to track you down, they can.

Just as a network of ADS-B out monitors have been set up to track planes, there's nothing to prevent private citizens from setting up a network of plate readers to track and follow license plates. Law enforcement does this already to find stolen vehicles, delinquent ticket payers, etc., but there's nothing to prevent you from setting up a camera and publishing what you see.
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Sure, but to complete the comparison, you’d have to have to also publish the plate owners name and address database, and track every vehicle in real time, not at discrete locations.
 
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

It's definitely Ed Fred's choice not to own a plane with ADS-B out, and I'm sure there are lots more out there, and they'll be selling their planes, too. That might mean a temporary glut of planes and a price dip. That might make some planes affordable for people who don't care about being tracked. I grew up in big family, and on a farm outside a small town, so everyone knew everyone else's business, and it was no big deal
 
Funny. So who may be interested to know when you are not home.

- the local meth-head who is the most likely candidate to break into your cabin in the woods. He's not going to go on an ADSB site to check on your planes last flight, he just checks whether your truck is in the driveway.

- the agents of darkness from FBI/DEA/IRS/INS/DIA/FDA who want to know when they can safely bug your cabin. Unless you travel with burner phones bought with gift-cards you bought of a drug dealer in Detroit, they just push some buttons to see the metadata from your credit card and cellphone to track your location. I doubt they rely on a hobbyist ADS-B site.

Nothing wrong with saying 'I don't want to spend all that money on something that doesn't benefit me'. But that would be a much less interesting thread.
 
Couldn’t u just not get adsb and not fly where it’s required and therefore not get tracked?
 
Thats crazy, theres cameras everywhere. if someone wanted to find you they easily could.
 
EdFred said:
Back in May of 2009 I flew to Florida and picked up an airplane.

Today, I signed an 8050-2 form. That's the FAA Bill of Sale for those not in the know of all the form numbers. I didn't really feel like being watched by everyone and their brother who builds an ADS-B monitor and have it be known when I'm not home. I really don't care about the FAA knowing, but when anyone and everyone can see what I'm doing and there's no way to hide myself from view I decided that it was time to let it go and not be an owner anymore.

I doubt I will be looking for a new airplane anytime soon.
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I’m not buying it, tell us the REAL reason for the sale of your plane. If you own a cell phone you have more to worry about my friend.

So, what’s the real story?
 
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