UAV & me

Rick Rademacher

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I attended an all-day Airspace and Infrastructure Work Group (AIWG) meeting last Thursday in Dayton, Ohio. I was invited to attend this meeting representing the interests of private pilots. The invitation occurred the preceding night when I was in attendance at an Ohio Airspace Integration Study (OASIS) that was noted in an AOPA e-gram. The U.S. Air Force is looking for a place within 60 miles of Wright Patterson field to do UAV testing.

The meeting was very well structured with facilitators, a dedicated audio/video specialist, staff people, representatives from Dayton and Springfield and two general aviation pilots. In all, about 25 people were present with one called Pappy who teleconferenced into the meeting from Washington. I enjoyed talking with and meeting all of those gathered who I felt had the knowledge and experience to make the correct decisions.

The main focus of the meeting was to present to the ESG (?) our recommendations or evaluations of UAV airspace sites. The site selection criteria included such things as emergency landing area, proximity to special use airspace, away from populated areas, avoid ground hazard areas, low air traffic volume, stay away from traditional GA traffic (flyways and training areas) ect……

The UAVs that would be flying in the selected area were classified as group 1 through group 3. These would include hand launched weighing from 1 to 20 pounds through group 3 weighing 1320 lbs. or less flying less than 250 knots. The altitudes of use would be between 10 feet to 6,000. The area needed would be some 10 to 20 square miles.

After spending all day looking at various locations, the consensusof the group was to place a restricted area for UAV testing under the existing MOAs in the southern part of Ohio. Then Pappy, the man from Washington reminded the group of his suggestion earlier in the day to extend the Class D airspace from Wright Patterson field to Springfield and use this area for the UAVs as it would take too long for the FAA to approve any restricted area for the UAV testing.

As Pappy seemed to be the leader of the group from afar, the meeting dissolved. I expressed to Pappy and the group my uneasiness about using the Springfield/Dayton area for UAV flights as this area was not far away from GA activities and populated areas. We have powerful local politicians who want to keep and expand local jobs in the UAV activities business sectors. I can understand their position yet let’s not do something stupid.
 
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What a great idea! Put it in an MOA, out of which which we're supposed to stay anyway. Its not like there aren't a couple rally big ones nearby. No surprise that some big cheese Washingtonian policy wonk with no skin in the game wouldn't buy onto that. No, lets just grad some extra airspace away from GA, that's the way to do it.

These things are going to proliferate, and sooner or later the only place you'll be able to fly is in a tiny patch of the UP.
 
You mean it took all these so called professionals all day long to figure out that keeping them in an MOA was the solution?
 
Buckeye MOA, and publish a route to/from for the larger ones to travel from their launch/recovery point
 
As Pappy believes that it might take up to 5 years for the FAA to place a restricted area for UAVs on the map while the FAA might quickly approve using UAVs in a Class D airspace, he and unnamed others like the idea of creating and using a large Class D area between and around Wright Pat and Springfield. Who knows what's going to happen in this weird world of ours.
 
What a great idea! Put it in an MOA, out of which which we're supposed to stay anyway. Its not like there aren't a couple rally big ones nearby. No surprise that some big cheese Washingtonian policy wonk with no skin in the game wouldn't buy onto that. No, lets just grad some extra airspace away from GA, that's the way to do it.

These things are going to proliferate, and sooner or later the only place you'll be able to fly is in a tiny patch of the UP.
Who says we are supposed to stay out of MOAs?
 
Who says we are supposed to stay out of MOAs?

I check to see if they're active, and if they are I try and go around, over or under. I try hard not to go through an active MOA. There can be some fast movers in there that might not see you in time to keep you from becoming a bug splat.
 
Hey Rick , Matt VanDervort here, did they make any mention of COA's (certificate of authorization) that they are issuing for UAS's (unmanned aerial systems) seems there quite a few of those out there. I'm admittedly uninformed of the difference between a UAV and UAS.

I agree there are better locations available.




-VanDy
 
Why the random Google map?

Nothing random about it. It's exactly where I think the UAVs belong. If you are having trouble, I guess you could click the little red 'A' and then click on 'more info.
 
MOAs are the safest place(in the sky) for a GA plane.
 
Nothing random about it. It's exactly where I think the UAVs belong. If you are having trouble, I guess you could click the little red 'A' and then click on 'more info.

Before I clicked on the link I expected you to dump me in the middle of Area 51. :D However, the middle of the Pacific Ocean works, too.
 
Hello Matt,

Yes, there was mention of using COA's (certificate of authorization) within the Class D airspace. One local college is using this to fly within the property bounds of the Springfield airport. One flight instructor stated at the Wednesday night meeting that several times he had to wait to land because the UAV was not immediately landed as per the agreement.


Had to chuckle as the Springfield governmental rep keep mentioning on Thursday that the Springfield airport had arming pads ready for the Air force to use.
 
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Yes, the pads are a leftover from the F-16 and previous military jets that used the Springfield Air Guard base.

From what I understand of the Air Force plans, the UAV's they are talking about are not the larger ones in group 4 (Predator, ect. ) or group 5 (Global Hawk ect.)
 
Rick, do you mean connecting wright part and springfields airspace, or extending even further. That would put a real hamper on some guys around here that have been there as long as I can remember. Is there a medium for everyone else to voice their opinion as well?


-VanDy
 
Matt,

As far as I know, everything is in the preliminary stages of planning. Most people at the Thursday meeting thought that extending the Class D from Springfield to Wright Pat with no VFR corridor was not the best idea. I expressed to the people present my thanks for being invited to the meeting as a GA participant and encouraged then to seek more GA input.
At this point in time, I don’t know where to send you for more information or to express your concerns. On second thought, you might contact A.O.P.A as they had the notice in their e-gram that started my UAV adventure.
 
I believe Class D is a better option than MOA. These things should be in controlled airspace at all times. MOA's out west are numerous and huge, it's extremely inconvenient to near impossible to completely avoid them.
 
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