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0 TP in 3 major stores this morning. Very disappointed in people right now. The store I bought some food in looked like it had been ravaged by a tornado. They were trying to restock everything. I need to get TP for my 78 year old Mom. She is afraid to go out and I can't find any for her.
 
timwinters said:
I really don't know what you guys are talking about...

in the White House daily briefing, our Cheeto in Chief just said Americans are seeing very few empty shelves in Walmart because of everything that he's done.

...not making a political comment, just reporting the news...
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Actually you are, by using a disparaging term for the President.
 
Everskyward said:
Actually you are, by using a disparaging term for the President.
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really? you can't use a humorous nickname for a politician here. I'll make note of that.

a simple descriptor of his skin color has nothing to do with what he said. besides, he continues to use the term "Chinese virus" and continued to do so this morning...even though that's not the name for it. is that disparaging on his part? most people here think it's not. and are openly talking about it... is that not political? or is the only thing that is political is something you don't agree with?
 
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flhrci said:
0 TP in 3 major stores this morning. Very disappointed in people right now. The store I bought some food in looked like it had been ravaged by a tornado. They were trying to restock everything. I need to get TP for my 78 year old Mom. She is afraid to go out and I can't find any for her.
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This is where I got lucky yesterday.

I found out a local store had gotten a shipment, but it was still in their back room on pallets. An employee went back and got me 2 12-packs, one for my parents and one for my MIL. There might be a chance that a kind word with the store manager could help you find out when their shipments come in and maybe someone can pull a package or hold one back for you. We were going to have to split what we have at home with them, but now they each are set for a while.
 
timwinters said:
a simple descriptor of his skin color has nothing to do with what he said. besides, he continues to use the term "Chinese virus" and continued to do so this morning...even though that's not the name for it. is that disparaging on his part? most people here think it's not. and are openly talking about it... is that not political? or is the only thing this political something you don't agree with?
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Note that I personally have no patience for political digs on either side, especially now, and I have already responded to those who insist on calling it the Chinese virus in another thread.

People on both sides are trolling in order to get a reaction, IMHO.
 
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddddddddddddddddddd... lock in 3.....2......1.....:p
 
Everskyward said:
People on both sides are trolling in order to get a reaction, IMHO.
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pointing out the reality that our federal leaders are not providing clear consistent messaging and are raising false hopes by downplaying (and lying about) the severity of what's going on is not trolling... it's reality.
 
NY just ordered all non essential workers to stay home. Leaving for ATL in a few hours. Training will go as planned.
 
timwinters said:
pointing out the reality that our federal leaders are not providing clear consistent messaging and are raising false hopes by downplaying (and lying about) the severity of what's going on is not trolling... it's reality.
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What kind of messaging are you looking for? Messaging from the lame stream media or messaging from the experts who know what the hell their talking about rather than harboring a political agenda. Personally I prefer to ignore the media and search out the facts on my own from the experts.
 
timwinters said:
pointing out the reality that our federal leaders are not providing clear consistent messaging and are raising false hopes by downplaying (and lying about) the severity of what's going on is not trolling... it's reality.
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You could have stated it that way to begin with. Although that's arguably political too, at least you aren't throwing around childish insults.
 
azblackbird said:
What kind of messaging are you looking for?.
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The truth maybe?

Like...

...maybe NOT telling a private group how serious it is and NOT then turnIng around and reassuring the public that it it is nothing serious while at the same time selling a bunch of personal stock, full well knowing how serious it is and that it'll likely negatively affect the market...

one can dream...
 
Just got back from Publix. The store was not too busy, and most things were available. Still no TP, and I couldn't find pancake mix either. The laundry detergent selection was limited as well, and there was no liquid dishwasher detergent, so it's back to pods for a while. They did have eggs.

All I can say is that those folks who are hoarding food better eat every last bite of what they bought.
 
Curious, so I called Costco, they have TP, pasta and eggs in stock. Only ran out of TP and pasta once. Have had no issues since they put limits on how much people get.

Tim
 
tspear said:
Curious, so I called Costco, they have TP, pasta and eggs in stock. Only ran out of TP and pasta once. Have had no issues since they put limits on how much people get.

Tim
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Hopefully that new supply will trickle down to other stores soon.
 
Just returned from Kroger.

Usually I use click-list and just drive over for a load and go. Next available pickup, when I looked this morning, was MONDAY at 3:30PM. Fail.

So off to the petri dish we go.

They were out of many of the brands I usually buy. Pasta aisle was wiped out. Fresh fruit wasn't too good. They had paper towels but very little TP.

Fortunately the Miller Lite distribution network is unaffected. But I got 3 cases just to be safe. :)
 
Plenty of Corona and other beer here. Snacks waiting to be restocked.
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Not only snacks, but also frozen dinners were nearly completely sold out at Shaw's today in Berlin, VT.

OTOH, there was plenty of cereal, especially the "organic" kind...
 
On the TP supply, here in SE PA, both Staples and the local Ace Hardware had pallets of the stuff. The local family-owned supermarket was out of TP - but had plenty of Victory Brewing Hop Devil - I'm good!!
 
Just bought some on Amazon finally. All stores were out of toilet paper. I even checked Home Depot, Lowe’s, Dollar Tree, etc.
 
Even though pallets of tp were delivered yesterday, that same store is out today. The other store I checked this afternoon is out of tp, kleenex, napkins, and paper towels. They had just put out a pallet of paper towels before i got there
 
The thing about it that makes it difficult for manufacturers to catch up is that most of the paper lines run mostly 24/7 as it is because they have sized the capacity to roughly what normal usage is. There’s a little bit of extra capacity they might be able to ramp up but not much. In 2-3 weeks they’ll have enough production to have caught back up with the demand since all the hoarders won’t need TP for over a month.
 
SoonerAviator said:
The thing about it that makes it difficult for manufacturers to catch up is that most of the paper lines run mostly 24/7 as it is because they have sized the capacity to roughly what normal usage is. There’s a little bit of extra capacity they might be able to ramp up but not much. In 2-3 weeks they’ll have enough production to have caught back up with the demand since all the hoarders won’t need TP for over a month.
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I think right now it isn't hoarders that are the problem. The hoarders did their damage and now other people are starting to run out and getting desperate. So as soon as any hits the shelves, people are buying the limit because there's no knowing when the next time any will be available. So in the first hour or less, what's been stocked is already gone. That might eventually slow down, but there's still the chance of slow motion hoarding. People will buy one or two packs at a time whenever they see it, and not consider that they already have several month's supply at home.
 
asicer said:
In your industry, how does one increase production in response to a demand spike?
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We really can’t in the short term. We are all attempting a huge pivot from the demand that has died(food service, restaurant, hotels, schools) to the retail demand which has exploded. It is an enormous logistical challenge.

My company is trying to source an extra 250,000 egg cartons. Per day.
 
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James_Dean said:
We really can’t in the short term. We are all attempting a huge pivot from the demand that has died(food service, restaurant, hotels, schools) to the retail demand which has exploded. It is an enormous logistical challenge.

My company is trying to source an extra 250,000 egg cartons. Per day.
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How does the demand change? e.g. Did food service... have the boxes/containers of the liquid stuff cartons of a dozen eggs?

Tim
 
I’d assume commercial consumers are likely to buy eggs in 110/140-count flats instead of buying a dozen per carton. The overall demand may not change in terms of sheer number of eggs but the way they get packaged is different. As he mentioned, trying to source a crapload if 12-ct egg cartons isn’t easy to do, while you are simultaneously sitting on tons of large-quantity egg flat shipping supplies that you can’t use.
 
tspear said:
How does the demand change? e.g. Did food service... have the boxes/containers of the liquid stuff cartons of a dozen eggs?

Tim
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You know the scrambled eggs you see at every hotel breakfast buffet?

https://www.eggsolutions.com/foodservice/scrambled-eggs/

Most restaurants use a product like this-

https://www.eggsolutions.com/foodservice/liquid-eggs/

QSR’s use products like these
https://www.eggsolutions.com/foodservice/egg-patties/


Those type of products consume more than 1/3 of the eggs produced in this country. A lot of that demand just died. I have one farm that produces 500,000 lbs of liquid egg per day that leaves in tanker trucks. No way to even gather the 5 million shell eggs for packaging.

That farm is connected to three of these that can each break 200,000 eggs/hr.



Millions of people are stuck at home. Cooking for themselves. Parents with kids at home cooking breakfast seven days a week. Demand at retail right now is simply unprecedented.

Get it now? It’s like Ford making 1,000,000 vehicles 2/3 trucks and 1/3 cars and saying let’s switch that to 900,000 trucks next week. Tooling is wrong, people aren’t trained, parts aren’t there, oh and the global shipping system is melting down.
 
SoonerAviator said:
I’d assume commercial consumers are likely to buy eggs in 110/140-count flats instead of buying a dozen per carton. The overall demand may not change in terms of sheer number of eggs but the way they get packaged is different. As he mentioned, trying to source a crapload if 12-ct egg cartons isn’t easy to do, while you are simultaneously sitting on tons of large-quantity egg flat shipping supplies that you can’t use.
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I'd imagine that restaurants that use whole in shell eggs probably get them in the 30 egg flats or similar.
regardless, it seems to me that they could just redirect the large qty flats to retail. Either the stores could split the packaging or customers could bring in their empties....or just sell in lots of 30 or whatever....
 
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