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Just looking for some comments on this youtube video I stumbled on. The video(2nd attempt at 1:00):


When I was watching this, I was a little confused as to what I was witnessing. It seems that he is angled towards the camera, left of the runway, most of the time. That nose alignment had me originally thinking the wind was from from the left. But after a couple views, the wind is coming from the opposite side, the right. Is he just putting in too much rudder? Maybe its just the camera angle, but it just looked strange to me. I looked up the airport and based on the METAR it was a right crosswind at 50deg. 20Knot
 
Not enough rudder.

I'd be looking for a different runway.
 
Camera angle problem I think. It appears he wasn't particularly smooth on the controls. The rate of climb on the balloons made me think he was fast. A 150 can handle a heck of a lot more crosswind than he had there.
 
It looked like the gusts were messing with him more than the crosswind.
 
Not enough rudder. A little fast on approach speed. Maybe too much additional speed for the wind gust factor. No flaps, or not enough flaps.
 
Yeah, I think not enough cowbell too.

Appears that perhaps he didn't have enough wing down and too much rudder as the nose is pointed to the left, and as mentioned, it looked gusty. But looks like they walked away and didn't scratch the plane.
 
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Just rather abrupt on the controls. Looked like he landed in a crab too, though a 150 can take it. I used to come in fast in bad crosswinds. Just hold it off in the runway environment and let it settle, 150's are plenty draggy. I had to get out of thunderstorms once (got myself surrounded) and did a full throttle landing. Took 5k feet, but I had it and used it.
 
steingar said:
Just rather abrupt on the controls. Looked like he landed in a crab too, though a 150 can take it. I used to come in fast in bad crosswinds. Just hold it off in the runway environment and let it settle, 150's are plenty draggy. I had to get out of thunderstorms once (got myself surrounded) and did a full throttle landing. Took 5k feet, but I had it and used it.
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Yea, but wasn't the crab pointing left, with the crosswind from the right, that is what had me puzzled.
 
exncsurfer said:
Is he just putting in too much rudder? Maybe its just the camera angle, but it just looked strange to me. I looked up the airport and based on the METAR it was a right crosswind at 50deg. 20Knot
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I agree, seems like a lot of left rudder, too much compensation for the dropped right wing. The wind was from 230 and he was landing on 18. So yes, right x-wind.
Notice how when he touches down, he's immediately heading for rwy excursion to the left (still too much left rudder).

Could have been a training flight, two guys int he cockpit. We all have to learn our crosswinds, this was a great day to tame the beast!
 
I don't think he said "let's go do that again" after he got down.
 
Improper amounts of cross-controlled input coupled with excessive landing speed, embellished by the learning phase of pilot training vs seasoned barnstormer.
 
Stingray Don said:
If I see 20G32, I’m staying on the ground.
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You would be very limited on flying around here then.

But then you would get used to it pretty quick and laugh at others when they say they would never fly in windy conditions.
 
Too much rudder for the amount of aileron. The thing heads for the left side of the runway when the nose touches.
 
Obvious there's a lot of wind and gusts. Obvious where wind is at first glance. In any event he went around once , smart choice, and pulled off a decent save. Obvious it was a tricky wind which is why the ass scratchers and peanut gallery were watching, commenting and filming.
 
Stingray Don said:
If I see 20G32, I’m staying on the ground.
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Curious what some others' personal minimums are?

For crosswind component I've adopted the POH's "max demonstrated" but what about gusts? Coming in at 65 knots a 12 knot change in airspeed can be dramatic.. even if straight down the runway

*As far as the video, I generally don't like poo poo'ing other people's landings, they're never perfect, but it did seem like it was a touch overcontrolled, especially with pitch. The go around on the first attempt was definitely the right call though!
 
Tantalum said:
Curious what some others' personal minimums are?

For crosswind component I've adopted the POH's "max demonstrated" but what about gusts? Coming in at 65 knots a 12 knot change in airspeed can be dramatic.. even if straight down the runway

*As far as the video, I generally don't like poo poo'ing other people's landings, they're never perfect, but it did seem like it was a touch overcontrolled, especially with pitch. The go around on the first attempt was definitely the right call though!
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If I can hold it straight on approach then it can be landed. Crosswind limit isn’t a hard number.
 
Clark1961 said:
If I can hold it straight on approach then it can be landed. Crosswind limit isn’t a hard number.
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Yeah pretty much this if another more favorable runway isn't available. Sometimes ya gotta find somewhere else to land.
 
looks to me like he has a left crosswind and is not able to keep a straight line on the runway which will require a left wing down and some application of rudder, he keeps drifting to the right and the entire landing is done on the right main. Lucky this is not a taildragger or he will be tasting a ground loop
 
Tantalum said:
Curious what some others' personal minimums are?

For crosswind component I've adopted the POH's "max demonstrated" but what about gusts? Coming in at 65 knots a 12 knot change in airspeed can be dramatic.. even if straight down the runway

*As far as the video, I generally don't like poo poo'ing other people's landings, they're never perfect, but it did seem like it was a touch overcontrolled, especially with pitch. The go around on the first attempt was definitely the right call though!
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Depends a lot on the airplane. I’m comfortable doing an approach and landing in many nose-wheels at 90 degrees gusting to the low 30s.

Tailwheels not so much. In the Twin Beech, I won’t do over 20 Kt x-wind component. 15 kts is my limit in the T-6.

Agree with your critique. Over controlling pitch was his biggest problem.


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Tantalum said:
Curious what some others' personal minimums are?
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Here in the southwest it is too much wind when I am out of rudder travel and ailerons and more than 10 inches manifold pressure between the two engines and still can't keep aligned with the center line.

In Alaska I have landed, and taken off of ice runways with severe cross winds. I would touch down in a crab and slide because the plane would not stay aligned with the imagined center line. I stayed in the center of the runway using rudder and power. On take off the plane would weather vane into the wind as soon as power was added so the TO run would be sliding at up to a 45 degree angle to the center line, again using rudder as needed to keep in the center of the runway.

Just another day in the office.
 
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