. . . Something else I'm trying to figure out is what I want to do about sun visors. The stock ones are completely worthless - just smallish visors that flip down, and are also worn and ugly. They don't cover anything close to the entire windshield, so I end up with the sun in my eyes a lot. There are some options (both manual and power) available, which I will probably be looking to buy and install, but I need to do some measuring and figure out what makes the most sense there.
Somewhat duplicate here, but I started this thread:
https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/com...rv-air-conditioning-heat-pump-project.131144/
Which I may then continue over here. I've ordered a home R22 style compressor, 115VAC, which I will mount up front in the RV and use that to drive the driver's area air conditioning. After one of the original AC lines broke in August or September and I started to see what a ridiculous system the whole thing was, this just made sense.
Since the point was made that a reversing valve (to create a heat pump) would also require some sort of logic to determine when to run the setup in AC mode to defrost the condenser in the winter, I think that's just more complexity than I feel like doing. I'll stick to just air conditioning. The compressor is supposed to arrive on Friday. I'm not going to get started on the project immediately (at least I don't plan to) since the RV is still drivable as-is. This will give me 13k BTUs (roughly) of cooling, which should be enough to help add some coolness/comfort up front, not to mention defrost capability on the windshield.
Something else I'm trying to figure out is what I want to do about sun visors. The stock ones are completely worthless - just smallish visors that flip down, and are also worn and ugly. They don't cover anything close to the entire windshield, so I end up with the sun in my eyes a lot. There are some options (both manual and power) available, which I will probably be looking to buy and install, but I need to do some measuring and figure out what makes the most sense there.
All of that is a lower priority vs. finishing up the interior, of course, but something else that needs to get addressed.
Have you considered tint for the windshield? It's a no-no from a purely legal standpoint in many states, but a very light tint (say 70%) on the windshield isn't noticeable at all, but does wonders for reducing sunlight/headlight glare. You won't hardly be able to tell it's tinted with 70% tint, and it won't really affect night driving.
im going to ask a question that is potentially very important but that I do not know the answer to. Is the coil and expansion valve in the dash compatible with R-22 (or the modern equivalent )?
I ask because auto systems were R-12 and now R-182 not R-22.
That might help some, but it doesn't do much for the direct sun-in-my-eyes, which is what I'm really after trying to achieve.
Being absolutely serious, you might give it a try to see what you think. Sometimes the blinding glare is what is uncomfortable more-so than the staring at the sun itself. Maybe find some of the cling-on tint to see if it works out. There's just not much else you can do outside of a flip-down visor like a school bus driver would use. There were several times where I could drive into the early morning sun and the "eyebrow tint" strip would cancel out most of the intensity. Now, my tint strip was darker than 70%, but it's the glare/UV protection that is more important than the light transmittance itself. Something to think about/experiment with.
Can you reach the windshield from your seat?
R134a was what I was thinking of I just mis-remembered. Home systems are rapidly switching to R410. In fact they stopped making parts for R-22 based systems in Jan of 2020. I wound up replacing both of my home systems because of it. I just know they should be compatible for good cooling and lubrication because the refrigerant also carries the oil for the compressor.
Ted:
Have you considered using difluoroethane (R152a)?
It’s very inexpensive, and is not a greenhouse gas. Plus, you’d not have to purge the old oil from the system, as you’d need to do with a 134a conversion.
I’ve been using it in my Oldsmobile for several years, with excellent result.
They make larger power shades that you can install and then make go down to block out the sun with the push of a button. That seems like it might be the best solution, although it adds some complexity with the installation of a switch/wiring.
I cannot. The ergonomics on this are not the best - a lot of switches are far enough away that they require me to get up or otherwise move around.
I thought MU-2 pilots wore Geordi LaForge-style visors instead.You're a pilot. Shouldn't you already have a pair of Ray Ban Aviator sunglasses?
That's the answer. Make Ted wear a helmet with tinted visor. Bonus points for having the air conditioning/heating piped into the helmet like a NASCAR driver, lol.Ted is really the Stig.
Has anyone ever done a cost comparison between rving and flying?
I understand that... But I wasn't thinking 150... Or twin. Rather somewhere in the middle. A used class A, say around $80K. V a comparable plane... Say an early Deb, or a Cardinal RG....Well, I don’t even think about how much RV trips cost me or RV repairs. The plane every shop visit was concerning. This RV was worth maybe 15% of the value of the MU2.
If you compared this to a 150, it might be different. But our RV is not the equivalent of a 150, it’s closer to the equivalent of the MU2 (or at least some go places twin).
I understand that... But I wasn't thinking 150... Or twin. Rather somewhere in the middle. A used class A, say around $80K. V a comparable plane... Say an early Deb, or a Cardinal RG....
Take an 800 mile (one way) trip in either... taking into account storage facilities for each, insurance, gas mileage, parking/camp fees, hotel rooms, car rental. One week stay...
It's an apples/oranges comparison... But travel is the end result.
I should take a look at that, Spike. I've not even heard of R152a (which doesn't mean much) but if it might be a more "ideal" refrigerant for this application, it could be worth buying some for it. I have a big bottle of R134a, but no reason I "have" to use it.
Doing a quick google doesn't seem to show R152a being readily available in a bottle for AC purposes, so I may be searching poorly. Where are you buying it or is there some brand name you're buying it under?
Thanks Ted... You're explanation matches my thinking. I am just trying to put numbers on everything.I think the biggest issue I have with the comparison as you have it is that an $80k Class A is a way more luxurious travel experience to an $80k Deb, Cardinal RG, etc. A Class A is closer to a cabin class twin, at lowest a Malibu. You've got a lot more space, you can carry more people, make a sandwich while you're flying, etc. A 4-seat piston single would be more equivalent to a Class B, maybe a small Class C. But really, I'd figure that the 4-seat piston single like you mentioned would be closer to a Class B, a 5/6-seat twin (310, Aztec, Baron) would be more like a Class C, and then a Class A would be like a cabin class twin.
But, a few specs on mine.
Storage: $0, since we store it on our property. You could argue that we're building the shop to store it, but we were building the shop because I needed a shop. A hangar around here would run around $400/month. Almost no plane will be something you could keep on your property. However, many people can (and do) keep their RVs on their property. If you're paying for indoor RV storage, though, it may not be too far off from hangar.
Insurance: $1k/year with an agreed upon value of $45k on our Class A. $1k/year for a piston single isn't out of line (although in today's insurance market it's probably low). We'll call this a wash.
Gas mileage: We get roughly 8 MPG, but our mileage varies wildly depending on the roads we're on and how fast I feel like going. Worst we got was 5.5. Diesel is cheaper than 100LL or Jet A.
Parking/camp fees vs. hotel rooms/car rentals: Well, you (likely) won't be renting a car with an RV as most more serious RVers tow a car behind. However, parking and camping fees with an RV also vary wildly. There are a lots of places you can park/camp overnight for free. I think the highest we've paid was around $100/night to park our RV with full hook-ups, cable, etc.
If you were to talk about a more equivalent (to your airplane choice) Class B, you could probably park it in your driveway, have even cheaper insurance, better gas mileage, lower parking fees... you get the idea. The RV is going to be cheaper than an equivalent airplane.
The big difference is that in most planes you can make an 800 mile trip in one day. 800 miles in a day in a big Class A RV is a lot, even for me. I think the most we've done in a day in the RV (granted with the kids which slows things down) is around 450. For an 800 mile one way trip I'd plan on two days each way, so you have more travel time and that adds a night of parking each direction.
Therein lies the real difference - the experience. With the planes, we were able to make long weekend trips to places that in the RV take two days each direction to go. Then again, in the RV you can pretty much guarantee the weather won't be enough to stop you, whereas in a small plane that is certainly not a guarantee (although usually it isn't an issue if you have an instrument rating). But with the RV, if there's something along the way on that 800 mile trip (even somewhat out of the way) you just go and look at it. With the plane if you're going someplace, you tend to just go someplace. Sure, a lot of this has to do with attitude, but every stop you make with a plane requires a lot of extra planning. In the RV you can just go take off in a direction and not even know where you're going to stay the night - worst case you can stay in most WalMart parking lots, a rest area, or a truck stop. You theoretically could take off in a plane and not have your intended point of landing planned, but that's frowned upon.
Really, both are great modes of travel. It just depends on your phase of life, needs, and what you want. I'm finding a lot of RVers have a lot in common with pilots. Not to mention a lot of pilots are also RVers, or thinking about it.
A side-by-side won't hold a large pizza box, however.Residential fridge: installed
The stock Norcold 1200 was 12 cubic feet, this Frigidaire is 18. It’s big for an RV but fits quite nicely. I need to do a little more work to secure it to the top (or at least prevent it from tipping) which I will. End result: cheaper than a rebuild of the Norcold would’ve been for an improved end result. We also think the side by side layout makes more sense in an RV, since the food then doesn’t have as far to move forward and backward during acceleration and braking.
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A side-by-side won't hold a large pizza box, however.
Here you go:
This: https://www.amazon.com/Falcon-Dust-Off-Professional-Electronics-Compressed/dp/B003X242PQ/
plus this:
https://www.amazon.com/Robinair-10102-Side-R134A-Respective/dp/B0009XT7NY/
You're welcome.
Really, both are great modes of travel. It just depends on your phase of life, needs, and what you want. I'm finding a lot of RVers have a lot in common with pilots. Not to mention a lot of pilots are also RVers, or thinking about it.
So as I understand this, basically you just buy the dust off cans, and then that tool punctures the fan in a manner that lets you use it as a refrigerant can?
Just an aside, here is a story about a fun little RV trip that went awry yesterday, not that far from where I grew up in Idaho. The pickup went over the bridge guardrail, the camper trailer did not.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rescuers-save-2-pickup-dangling-025622455.html
I consider that one hell of an endorsement for whatever brand of trailer safety chains they were using.
What that photo above doesn't show is a view of the Malad River Gorge, and the Devil's Washbasin and Falls, directly under the bridge.
Imagine staring straight down at that for a few hours while awaiting rescue! The highway bridge is in the background, a pedestrian bridge in the foreground.
Precisely.
I've had enough long hours on the highway for one lifetime. If I ever do go RVing after retirement, it's going to be strictly non-Interstate travel, and it'll be weeks or months at a time so I don't spend much time trying to get somewhere.
I do enjoy reading your adventures, though - Both in restoring and traveling! What a great experience for your kids.
What? Your RV doesn't have cruise control?... we can change places, make and eat lunch, do things besides sit strapped into a seat pretty much unable to move. Granted, I can't as the driver ...