Thinking About a Boat

Boats should generally be purchased according to what you want to do with it, and where you will be using it.

I am not a pontoon fan, personally, in all but a few cases (usually involving frequent boating in really shallow water, or catfishing). If I wanted the open/flat-deck layout, I'd go for a deck boat. Similar layout to the pontoon, but worlds better in handling, fuel-efficiency, and ride comfort. The gunnels of most boats (bass boats not included) are more than sufficient to hold in small children, often times taller than the 24" rail on a pontoon/deck boat will.

With small kids (under age 5 or so), they usually aren't as interested in skiing/tubing as much, and certainly not at any speed above what a pontoon will do. One of the most important things is to have something with a large bimini top to keep them in the shade while they play. Cuddy cabins are okay, but can get stuffy if you boat in any place where it's 95+ degrees in summer. Most people end up using cuddy cabins in the south for storage more than anything else. We used to go play on the water for 2 hours or so, pull up to a beach and have a picnic lunch, then swim/Frisbee/football for an hour, then back on the boat for another 2 hours or so for a second round of watersports or just cruising around. Then call it a day and head-in. 6hrs on the water is generally plenty for most people, and the sun will really take it out of you if you don't have shade available.

We are lucky to have family with lake-front houses/docks on two local lakes, so we can go play for a few hours, then come back inside and rest/relax. It's easier to deal with small children who decide they no longer want to be on the water when you can offload them within 30 minutes and keep on boating with those who still want to be out.

Agree 100% with your opening sentence.

The cuddy cabin was a great boat for what we bought it for initially. When we started out, the cabin was a great place to throw the kids (they were smaller) for loading/unloading. Plus a good place to store stuff. Many naps happened in that cabin, and it worked well. So we still think this was the right boat to purchase when we did.

I'm not a pontoon fan myself and had dismissed them for that reason. However, the reasons make sense and I could get converted going back to buying a boat for the mission and for what we're doing. I also like your suggestion of a deck boat and we'll look into those as well. For what we're looking for now, no real reason why a pontoon won't work. I figure in a few years they'll be ready to ski and we'll be looking for something else again anyway.
 
Agree 100% with your opening sentence.

The cuddy cabin was a great boat for what we bought it for initially. When we started out, the cabin was a great place to throw the kids (they were smaller) for loading/unloading. Plus a good place to store stuff. Many naps happened in that cabin, and it worked well. So we still think this was the right boat to purchase when we did.

I'm not a pontoon fan myself and had dismissed them for that reason. However, the reasons make sense and I could get converted going back to buying a boat for the mission and for what we're doing. I also like your suggestion of a deck boat and we'll look into those as well. For what we're looking for now, no real reason why a pontoon won't work. I figure in a few years they'll be ready to ski and we'll be looking for something else again anyway.

Sure, no reason you can't swap to whatever boat design makes sense. I like the deck boats because they give you similar open deck space like the pontoon, but are well-suited for recreational skiing/tubing/wakeboarding as well. Also, when you get caught out in some pop-up storms/choppy water, the deck boat can get you back to shore quickly and keep you dry. The pontoons like to plow the waves instead of ride on top/cut through, so you generally get wet and they don't usually run too much past 25-30mph unless you find one with an upgraded engine. There are tritoons that will run 65mph with 300HP+ hanging off the back, but most pontoons seem to come stock with 90HP or less, which isn't going to get you anywhere fast. If we want to run down to the south end of our local lake for lunch, it's about a 30 minute run at 35-40mph in the runabout, and I usually don't think much about it. If I were in a boat that only cruises at 20mph without being WOT, it becomes more of a "decision" because it's going to cost another hour round-trip versus the runabout. Those considerations are items that many don't think about, but are the result of how a particular boat will dictate how you use your time on the water.

It's a large reason that many with the big 40' cruisers don't leave the dock more than a few times in the summer, because people end up doing the same thing with them on the open water that they'd do tied up at the dock.
 
Sure, no reason you can't swap to whatever boat design makes sense. I like the deck boats because they give you similar open deck space like the pontoon, but are well-suited for recreational skiing/tubing/wakeboarding as well. Also, when you get caught out in some pop-up storms/choppy water, the deck boat can get you back to shore quickly and keep you dry. The pontoons like to plow the waves instead of ride on top/cut through, so you generally get wet and they don't usually run too much past 25-30mph unless you find one with an upgraded engine. There are tritoons that will run 65mph with 300HP+ hanging off the back, but most pontoons seem to come stock with 90HP or less, which isn't going to get you anywhere fast. If we want to run down to the south end of our local lake for lunch, it's about a 30 minute run at 35-40mph in the runabout, and I usually don't think much about it. If I were in a boat that only cruises at 20mph without being WOT, it becomes more of a "decision" because it's going to cost another hour round-trip versus the runabout. Those considerations are items that many don't think about, but are the result of how a particular boat will dictate how you use your time on the water.

It's a large reason that many with the big 40' cruisers don't leave the dock more than a few times in the summer, because people end up doing the same thing with them on the open water that they'd do tied up at the dock.

Good points for sure. We don't really venture too far on the lake, and we weren't going all that fast with our boat. Nowhere near full power. So I think the speed limitaitons of the pontoon still work for us.

We will always leave the dock, if nothing else because we like the view of sitting on the lake with few other boats around. This is pretty doable at the lake we go to since it tends to receive limited use and we go during off-peak hours. And then we don't have others walking by at the dock, which you'll have.
 
However, I told him that as soon as he towed that boat either with his truck (or when he showed up with that nice K2500 Duramax) he would be selling the 1/2-ton and looking for a proper 3/4 or 1-ton pickup, probably with a diesel.

@jesse is already looking. Haha. He lamented that there's not a decent Duramax for sale for hundreds of miles around Lincoln and asked if I was selling the Dodge. Hehehehe.

I had to tell him that since the fifth wheel sale is a consignment and could take a while, I have to hang on to the Dodge in case we have to tow the thing again. I don't have any friends with fifth wheel hitches anymore, perhaps with the exception of @gkainz and I'd rather make sure I have the truck rigged to tow the trailer until I know it has really sold and the title is signed away...

Dodge might be a PITA anyway. It's two downfalls are that it's a stick and that it's got the low rear end. It really hates doing 75. Loud as hell at that speed too. Definitely geared for 55 cruising and loud but okay at 65. 75 is just insanely loud and annoying and probably not all that great for the Cummins at the RPM it holds at. I forget what it ends up at up there but you can tell you need another gear. And you're not really supposed to tow in sixth with the NV5600 transmission if you want it to last and not have to spend a lot of money rebuilding it. We just putz down the highway like old people at 65 in it.

In the price range and age I'm guessing he's looking in for a part time driver/towing rig, I'd be hunting a Duramax/Allison combo myself. I only needed up with the older Dodge because we got a nice deal on it from a friend. And I'm dumb enough to have doubled that price with the head gasket rebuild, steering rebuild, brake rebuild, etc.

Now the A/C has failed again on it and I'm just avoiding fixing that until we know the final disposition of it. Either it becomes an airport fuel hauler and stays to haul the cargo trailer, or it goes away. But it would have to be replaced by another pickup truck. Still have truck stuff to do, just maybe not a 3500 1-ton dually worth of truck stuff to do. Ha.

Toying with selling both it and the Yukon and pooling that money to get one decent 3/4 ton. Might not even need diesel for that, but ... love diesel trucks... whatever it is needs to be a better doggy hauler than than Dodge tiny extended "four door" old style cab too.

Ahh decisions decisions...

I think I'll go steal Ted's Excursion. That'd work perfectly. Dogs would like it, too. LOL.

That or find one of the discontinued Dodge MegaCabs... that'd work... doggies would like the back of that...

Right now the Yukon is the dog hauler. That's it's main job. They love it back there. They give me the stink eye when they have to jump up in the Dodge or wedge themselves into the Subaru. hahaha. The 85 pounder really dislikes the Subaru.

Mostly because the 45 pounder snaps at him if he intrudes on the little Queen's personal space as he's trying to maneuver to lie down. Haha. He's sure not the alpha dog. Hen-pecked, more like.
 
@jesse is already looking. Haha. He lamented that there's not a decent Duramax for sale for hundreds of miles around Lincoln and asked if I was selling the Dodge. Hehehehe.

I had to tell him that since the fifth wheel sale is a consignment and could take a while, I have to hang on to the Dodge in case we have to tow the thing again. I don't have any friends with fifth wheel hitches anymore, perhaps with the exception of @gkainz and I'd rather make sure I have the truck rigged to tow the trailer until I know it has really sold and the title is signed away...

Dodge might be a PITA anyway. It's two downfalls are that it's a stick and that it's got the low rear end. It really hates doing 75. Loud as hell at that speed too. Definitely geared for 55 cruising and loud but okay at 65. 75 is just insanely loud and annoying and probably not all that great for the Cummins at the RPM it holds at. I forget what it ends up at up there but you can tell you need another gear. And you're not really supposed to tow in sixth with the NV5600 transmission if you want it to last and not have to spend a lot of money rebuilding it. We just putz down the highway like old people at 65 in it.

In the price range and age I'm guessing he's looking in for a part time driver/towing rig, I'd be hunting a Duramax/Allison combo myself. I only needed up with the older Dodge because we got a nice deal on it from a friend. And I'm dumb enough to have doubled that price with the head gasket rebuild, steering rebuild, brake rebuild, etc.

Now the A/C has failed again on it and I'm just avoiding fixing that until we know the final disposition of it. Either it becomes an airport fuel hauler and stays to haul the cargo trailer, or it goes away. But it would have to be replaced by another pickup truck. Still have truck stuff to do, just maybe not a 3500 1-ton dually worth of truck stuff to do. Ha.

Toying with selling both it and the Yukon and pooling that money to get one decent 3/4 ton. Might not even need diesel for that, but ... love diesel trucks... whatever it is needs to be a better doggy hauler than than Dodge tiny extended "four door" old style cab too.

Ahh decisions decisions...

I think I'll go steal Ted's Excursion. That'd work perfectly. Dogs would like it, too. LOL.

That or find one of the discontinued Dodge MegaCabs... that'd work... doggies would like the back of that...

Right now the Yukon is the dog hauler. That's it's main job. They love it back there. They give me the stink eye when they have to jump up in the Dodge or wedge themselves into the Subaru. hahaha. The 85 pounder really dislikes the Subaru.

Mostly because the 45 pounder snaps at him if he intrudes on the little Queen's personal space as he's trying to maneuver to lie down. Haha. He's sure not the alpha dog. Hen-pecked, more like.

Yeah, I know Jesse is looking for a Duramax. ;)

It sounds like your Dodge is really not set up well for anything but towing a bit 5th wheel trailer. Which is fine if that's what you do with it, but annoying for everything else. I wouldn't call the manual a downfall, though, especially not in your year. The 47RE transmissions were junk, and while the 48REs were better, I still wouldn't want one. Mine had the NV5600, which I think is what you have, and I found it to be a great box. Of course, I sold the truck with 108k on it so it was basically new.

I'll make you a deal on the Excursion if you want to buy it, but Laurie won't let you steal it. Trust me, that won't work out well for you. ;)

Once I fix the issues on the F-350 I may actually find myself liking the 6.0, although I'm thinking that at least some of my complaints have to do with the transmission's calibration. Really don't like automatics. If this one gets on my nerves enough, I may buy one of the Banks transmission controllers that gives you more control over how it works.
 
I don't have any friends with fifth wheel hitches anymore, perhaps with the exception of @gkainz and I'd rather make sure I have the truck rigged to tow the trailer until I know it has really sold and the title is signed away...
edit - what the heck happened to the auto-font :) never mind - fixed it (sort of).

I have a gooseneck ball and Andersen Ultimate hitch setup, but it only takes a few minutes to put the adapter plate on a 5er kingpin... so I got you covered if you need to move it and Bubba's not around ... :)
 
I'll make you a deal on the Excursion if you want to buy it, but Laurie won't let you steal it. Trust me, that won't work out well for you. ;)

I don't want to mess with you, but I KNOW I don't want to ever mess with Laurie! Or her truck! LOL.

I have a gooseneck ball and Andersen Ultimate hitch setup, but it only takes a few minutes to put the adapter plate on a 5er kingpin... so I got you covered if you need to move it and Bubba's not around ... :)

Appreciate it but doubt it'll be necessary. I am jealous of your hitch setup though. Ha. Puts my ancient rusty Reese to shame.
 
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Appreciate it but doubt it'll be necessary. I am jealous of your hitch setup though. Ha. Puts my ancient rusty Reese to shame.
seems like everything I do lately ... dammit - auto-font size just kicked in again! ... anyway, everything I do lately is weighed against "how many trips to the chiropractor is THIS going to cost me?"
Andersen Ultimate is 34 lbs ... :)
 
I don't want to mess with you, but I KNOW I don't want to ever mess with Laurie! Or her truck! LOL.

Smart move. As a former off-shore helicopter pilot flying to oil rigs (and flying oil rig people) she's got places to hide bodies nobody even knows exist. ;)
 
seems like everything I do lately ... dammit - auto-font size just kicked in again! ... anyway, everything I do lately is weighed against "how many trips to the chiropractor is THIS going to cost me?"
Andersen Ultimate is 34 lbs ... :)

I was going to install a hoist in the garage to remove the Reese annually, but never got around to it. Haha. I feel your pain. Literally. Damn Continental Airlines and all those bags in MD-80 bins... but that was still a heck of a fun job for the money way back then.
 
I was out at the lake today with my daughters and one of their friends. We dropped anchor for a swim break, the three of them were hanging out on the stern of our boat listening to the Kings of Leon. so I got on the inflatable that we had been towing and pushed off to the end of the tow rope to give them some space. From my perch out on the water, I had a few minutes to watch the other boats out on the lake. Most of the ones that were moving were towing some sort of inflatable. The pontoon boats make sort of a long radius swooping turn which would be fine for towing kids under about age 9, ones older than that are going to going to want a more aggressive ride. All the deck boats, bowriders, and ski boats looked like they could dish out more than most kids would want to handle. My wife's cousin has a Chaparral Sunesta 232, and he gives awesome tube rides. The only thing negative I have to say about deck boats is that some of them have a fairly flat hull and pound in choppy water.
 
I was out at the lake today with my daughters and one of their friends. We dropped anchor for a swim break, the three of them were hanging out on the stern of our boat listening to the Kings of Leon. so I got on the inflatable that we had been towing and pushed off to the end of the tow rope to give them some space. From my perch out on the water, I had a few minutes to watch the other boats out on the lake. Most of the ones that were moving were towing some sort of inflatable. The pontoon boats make sort of a long radius swooping turn which would be fine for towing kids under about age 9, ones older than that are going to going to want a more aggressive ride. All the deck boats, bowriders, and ski boats looked like they could dish out more than most kids would want to handle. My wife's cousin has a Chaparral Sunesta 232, and he gives awesome tube rides. The only thing negative I have to say about deck boats is that some of them have a fairly flat hull and pound in choppy water.

Yup, as I mentioned, pontoons don't handle turns or any other maneuver worth a damn. Deck boats often have what many refer to as a "modified V" which is sort of a hybrid of a true V-hull and a tri-hull. Either way, it'll still handle the waves better than a pontoon simply due to the ability to trim the bow up.

20-25mph is fast enough for any inflatable, for any rider if the captain knows what they're doing. It's about timing the turns and accelerating, and being able to adjust the technique based on rider skill level. It's fun to put the rider on edge and make it challenging, dunking them every time isn't fun for them.

The problem pontoons have is that they generally don't have a tight turning radius, which means you have to rely more on acceleration to make the ride fun, which they generally don't have much of, either. Skiing with an adult in tow can be a challenge for some to get up behind pontoons with low HP, too.


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with little ones, avoid anything with an open bow. Depending on your budget, the Pontoon would best fit the mission, but frankly, they handle like a piece of plywood on two pieces of pipe. If you're looking for late-model, I'd suggest any of the bayliner or sea ray runabouts.

We have a much different mission- one Five year old who has spent her entire life on boats and one on the way in November. Our lake boat/gofast is a 1980 Mastercraft Stars and Stripes. Single 351W Direct-drive inboard. Reliable, fast, fun and cheapest boat to maintain... after spending several AMU's on outdrive and lower unit repairs, I swore I'd always go inboard/direct.

Of course, I sold my 34' Bayliner 3288 last august and recently replaced it with a 2858 Command Bridge with you guessed it... a 350 running a Mercruiser Bravo III outdrive.

Avoid the cuddy cabin and invest in a nice Bimini top. Also look at a boat that has higher sides with all of those little ones running around.... my friend has a 99 Four Winns that might just be the most comfortable little runabout I've ran.

The obnoxious direct drive ski boats handle shiatty at low speeds...i.e. Docking, but will be the best bang for the buck long term for maintenance and operation... impeller changes take me mere minutes on an inboard... except my former 36' Chris craft which required a complete disassembly of the living room and the removal of
a 5KW generator every year to do the port side impellers.
 
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with little ones, avoid anything with an open bow. Depending on your budget, the Pontoon would best fit the mission, but frankly, they handle like a piece of plywood on two pieces of pipe. If you're looking for late-model, I'd suggest any of the bayliner or sea ray runabouts.

We have a much different mission- one Five year old who has spent her entire life on boats and one on the way in November. Our lake boat/gofast is a 1980 Mastercraft Stars and Stripes. Single 351W Direct-drive inboard. Reliable, fast, fun and cheapest boat to maintain... after spending several AMU's on outdrive and lower unit repairs, I swore I'd always go inboard/direct.

Of course, I sold my 34' Bayliner 3288 last august and recently replaced it with a 2858 Command Bridge with you guessed it... a 350 running a Mercruiser Bravo III outdrive.

Avoid the cuddy cabin and invest in a nice Bimini top. Also look at a boat that has higher sides with all of those little ones running around.... my friend has a 99 Four Winns that might just be the most comfortable little runabout I've ran.

The obnoxious direct drive ski boats handle shiatty at low speeds...i.e. Docking, but will be the best bang for the buck long term for maintenance and operation... impeller changes take me mere minutes on an inboard... except my former 36' Chris craft which required a complete disassembly of the living room and the removal of
a 5KW generator every year to do the port side impellers.

Why would you need to avoid an open bow with little children? Children love to ride up front, but they should be supervised by an adult no matter the boat. If you're worried about a child falling over, get a snap-on bow cover. Easy-peasey. Direct drives are good for ski tractors, not good for much else, imo. Larger cruisers and non-planning hulls that sit in the water 24/7 are a different story. No ability to trim and flat bottom means choppy water is miserable. I/Os are pretty low-maintenance unless you bang them on something underwater, but they're still better in that regard than direct/V-drives. If changing a $20 water impeller and $50 u-joint bellows once every 3-5 years is a big deal, boating may not be the best hobby. The Bravo I and Volvo Penta units use an engine-mounted impeller just like the direct drives do.

I'd skip Bayliner as a brand for runabouts (their cruisers were a good value). Four Winns/Chapparal/Crownline make decent runabouts, Cobalt/Formula/Chris Craft are top tier.


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Yup, as I mentioned, pontoons don't handle turns or any other maneuver worth a damn. Deck boats often have what many refer to as a "modified V" which is sort of a hybrid of a true V-hull and a tri-hull. Either way, it'll still handle the waves better than a pontoon simply due to the ability to trim the bow up.

20-25mph is fast enough for any inflatable, for any rider if the captain knows what they're doing. It's about timing the turns and accelerating, and being able to adjust the technique based on rider skill level. It's fun to put the rider on edge and make it challenging, dunking them every time isn't fun for them.

The problem pontoons have is that they generally don't have a tight turning radius, which means you have to rely more on acceleration to make the ride fun, which they generally don't have much of, either. Skiing with an adult in tow can be a challenge for some to get up behind pontoons with low HP, too.


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Except this guy ... I think he has adequate acceleration ... :)

 
Good thoughts. It's going to be sometime next month before we'd even have a chance to get on the lake. The kids seem to miss the boat a bit, but mostly it's out of sight, out of mind. Given that, I'm not sure whether we really want to mess around with a pontoon or the like this year. We might just watch towards the end of the season when prices go down and consider it for next year.
 
Except this guy ... I think he has adequate acceleration ... :)

Lol, yeah I 've seen his videos. Shows you can make anything fast with enough HP! I'd be scared to death to ride on that thing, get a little bit of air under the deck or have a pontoon "catch" a small wake and kiss your butt goodbye! They have some factory tri-toons that will run 65mph+ with relative safety, but I wouldn't shell out the money they want for those.
 
Why would you need to avoid an open bow with little children? Children love to ride up front, but they should be supervised by an adult no matter the boat. If you're worried about a child falling over, get a snap-on bow cover. Easy-peasey. Direct drives are good for ski tractors, not good for much else, imo. Larger cruisers and non-planning hulls that sit in the water 24/7 are a different story. No ability to trim and flat bottom means choppy water is miserable. I/Os are pretty low-maintenance unless you bang them on something underwater, but they're still better in that regard than direct/V-drives. If changing a $20 water impeller and $50 u-joint bellows once every 3-5 years is a big deal, boating may not be the best hobby. The Bravo I and Volvo Penta units use an engine-mounted impeller just like the direct drives do.

I'd skip Bayliner as a brand for runabouts (their cruisers were a good value). Four Winns/Chapparal/Crownline make decent runabouts, Cobalt/Formula/Chris Craft are top tier.


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We've been taking our daughters out in a deck boat since they were toddlers. @SoonerAviator is right, they love to sit in the bow, but someone has to sit with them. They have no tendency to want to jump overboard, they have to be older to get that nutty. We now have a Yamaha jet boat, and the more we use it, the more I'm impressed with it. When we first got it, I found the low speed handling to be difficult, but once I got the hang of it I've realized that it will do anything I ask of it, I just have to know how, and it's very maneuverable at both low and high speed, much more so than a sterndrive or outboard. I have two engines and two throttles, and can walk the bow around by splitting the throttles. There's no gearbox, just a reversing bucket, so it's a very simple drivetrain. The advantages of the jet drives is the shallow draft, superior hole shot, and the compactness, our boat is 21' 3" but has the room of a 22' 6" sterndrive, plus you get easy access to the water with the stepped stern.

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There's an integrated swim ladder at the stern, but I don't use it to get out of the water, I just put my hands on the lowest step and push myself up onto the step. The disadvantages are that the top speed is not as high as it would be for a sterndrive or outboard with equivalent power, and that it uses a little more fuel than would an equivalent sterndrive, maybe an extra half or one gallon per hour. This boat has a 20 degree deadrise and rides better than I thought it would. IMO outboards are the quietest and most fuel efficient, but you have to deal with the engine sticking up at the stern. I/Os give you a better water access at the stern and work really well for a boat that's not stored in the water, but are more mechanically complex and take up a lot of space inside the boat. The only inboard boats I see in this size range are ski and wakeboard boats, and they're really expensive, I never considered one.
 
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It's been a bit over 2 years since Jesse bought our old boat. In that time, he's done a lot more with it than I ever did, and he's made it a better machine for sure. It was a great first boat for us that did exactly what we needed it to, but it got to where it was time to get rid of it for reasons explained in pages past.

Our kids are now 2 years older - 6 (approaching 7) and 4.5. Our son is a great swimmer and can confidently swim all around the pool, including the deep end, without any life jacket on. Our girls are doing well in swim lessons but, as you'd expect, not at that level yet. Plus now we have the Ram, which is capable of towing just about anything you can hook to the bumper. Although we have no shortage of projects going on, we're at the point where the kids are getting better to take places on the whole, we can get them to sit down and for a few minutes as needed, and they understand and can follow logic better.

So... I'm thinking about [another] boat.

Where we last left off, my wife had shown interest in pontoon boats. That's a potential, but when I think about the things that annoy my wife the most and how I think we'd end up using it in the coming years, I think there are a few negatives with a pontoon. For one, too slow. For now the kids are still at a point where tubing slow is fine, but it won't take long before they want to go faster, and it won't take long after that before they want to start skiing or wakeboarding.

Another issue is that I think this time around, I think we'd be better off with something with a bit better cabin than what we had, and specifically something that has air conditioning for the cabin. My wife doesn't like feeling super hot and likes a place to get out of the heat. Conversely, boats with AC tend to also have heat, and we enjoyed using our boat during off-peak times. For that, it's nice to have someplace that you can have a warmer temperature if so desired.

@jesse and I have been talking some and I think that a want, but not need, is to have a twin. The biggest reason here is because we're talking a bigger boat, and in a single these bigger boats would either have a big block with a Bravo outdrive (if Mercruiser) or two V6s or small block V8s with an Alpha. The Bravos are a lot more expensive, so that makes me think I'd rather have the twin. Plus, redundancy when one engine fails.

Our last boat was 23 foot. This now has me looking more in the 27-31 foot range. The boats we're looking at are also in the 9'6" width range instead of the 8'6" or so, which also makes the deck and cabin nicer.

The problem with the width is that technically puts me in an oversize permit range, so I need to do some research on what that means from a practical perspective. Most of these have trailers associated with them. The obvious best thing to do would be to get a slip and just park it there, trailering it at the beginning and end of the season or if we were going to go to a different lake for a long weekend. I didn't like these aspects before, but I think that it's worth it now. I think the ability to trailer makes sense if nothing else because we weren't a big fan of the lake closest to our house, and so we probably want to do some exploring to determine where exactly we want to park the thing if we do put it on a slip. Plus, slips sometimes have wait lists, so there's no guaranteeing we could actually accomplish the goal of having the boat on a slip.

We liked the Sea Ray we had before, but I'm not tied to Sea Ray as a brand at all. The Sundancers are more what we'd be looking at, and plenty around what I'd consider a reasonable investment. I'm open to other brands as well, but it seems like regardless they're all about the same dimensions, so it's more a matter of features, condition, trailer included, etc.

What worked well for us last time around was buying something in the 2nd half/tail end of the season when values drop. I'm thinking that we start looking around and what's available and start gearing up to strike at an appropriate time.

Fire away with thoughts and telling me I'm wrong. Jesse should also have input since he's already said he wants to buy whatever I buy from me in a few years. ;)
 
1. I dislike pontoons because the ride like crap, handle like crap, and are generally fuel inefficient. However, they make plenty of pontoon models that will run 65+ if you really want to go there. Most tri-toons when powered appropriately (225-300HP) will run 40-50mph which is more than adequate for tubing/water skiing. They won't throw much of a wake for wakeboarding, but there's not a ton of boats that are well-equipped for that task aside from tournament boats. Most I/O runabouts can do it decently-enough with some ballast bags in the stern.

2. Cruisers are great, most 27'-28'ers will have single Bravo with a big block pushing it. 29'+ are where they normally go to twin 350's and the beam gets above the std 8'6" width.

3. The A/C will be fine at the dock, but unless the boat has a genset, the A/C won't be running while out on the water. Find one with a genset, or try to rig up a Honda portable strapped to the swim platform and deal with any concerns of carbon monoxide making it's way into the cockpit/cabin.

4. Skiing/tubing behind a cruiser isn't ideal and will suck a lot of fuel in addition to throwing a big wake at all of the boats/docks in the cove you are doing it in. Makes for unhappy boating neighbors.

5. Good compromise might be something akin to a Formula SunSport. A Formula 280SS/330SS might get you a good mix of cruiser vs sport boat. I think SeaRay made a 280SS in the late 90's as well. Remember that 1' of beam is generally worth 3' of length, the extra width makes the room in the boat much more usable than a longer boat.

6. Alpha vs Bravo. Most anything with 350 Mag or big block is going to have a Bravo strapped to it. Honestly, I'd be looking for a Bravo III if it were a single screw, because it tracks much better in reverse and at low speed with the contra-rotating propellers. The cost of components between the two should be considered negligible, because if they are treated properly and serviced every few years (generally not more than changing the gear oil/bellows) they should run for decades without issue.

7. Towing - wide loads: generally-speaking, it becomes more and more of a chore to tow a boat the wide/longer it is, especially when it comes to finding adequate boating ramps and overnight docks/services. Most people don't trailer 30'+ boats because of that, and instead keep them in a slip or dry dock at the lake. I think you can get a seasonal or annual wide load permit of sorts if it makes it easier. Keep that in mind.
 
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3. The A/C will be fine at the dock, but unless the boat has a genset, the A/C won't be running while out on the water. Find one with a genset, or try to rig up a Honda portable strapped to the swim platform and deal with any concerns of carbon monoxide making it's way into the cockpit/cabin.

This was something else I was wondering about with this idea, as I don't know how many of them are set up. So you're saying that a lot of the ones with AC can't run off of engine power? I think the solution would need to be a genset, otherwise plugging in the portable would be too much of a pain. Would need to be able to run the AC on the water. Really point would be on a hot day (like today, for instance) the AC would be running so the cabin would stay cool. I think if that's not feasible then a lot of the benefit of this idea disappears pretty much immediately.

Personally I don't think the pontoon would do what we want long term. Might work today, but we'd outgrow it quickly. I'd rather avoid that altogether.

Fair points on the wake and being good neighbors. Some of that also depends on where we are and how busy the lake is. We generally try to frequent lakes before or after the big rush to try to avoid that. Honestly this is why long term I'd rather have a boat on the ocean, but that's not exactly next door. Fuel consumption I'm not concerned with. But also don't want to annoy everyone at the lake.
 
This was something else I was wondering about with this idea, as I don't know how many of them are set up. So you're saying that a lot of the ones with AC can't run off of engine power? I think the solution would need to be a genset, otherwise plugging in the portable would be too much of a pain. Would need to be able to run the AC on the water. Really point would be on a hot day (like today, for instance) the AC would be running so the cabin would stay cool. I think if that's not feasible then a lot of the benefit of this idea disappears pretty much immediately.

Personally I don't think the pontoon would do what we want long term. Might work today, but we'd outgrow it quickly. I'd rather avoid that altogether.

Fair points on the wake and being good neighbors. Some of that also depends on where we are and how busy the lake is. We generally try to frequent lakes before or after the big rush to try to avoid that. Honestly this is why long term I'd rather have a boat on the ocean, but that's not exactly next door. Fuel consumption I'm not concerned with. But also don't want to annoy everyone at the lake.

Just about every boat I can think of which has built-in reverse cycle HVAC uses a genset to power it unless you're at the dock. When you're dockside (with electrical service) you can plug in the shorepower 30A cords (usually two of them) to run any of the boat's electrical gizmos. Once you're on the water, the load required of the A/C is more than the alternators typically produce, and I don't think they're even wired to operate off the alternator bus. The other thing to keep in mind is maintaining the twin engines and such, especially in a boat with narrower 8'6" beam. Those twin V6's or 350's don't have much space around them to reach spark plugs and other stuff, so it can get cramped in there.

Also, running twins is much better when dealing with a 28'+ boat, because docking and trailering can be really tough with a singe engine, especially if it's just an Alpha or Bravo I with single prop. With twins, you can more or less pivot the boat like a tank or drive it sideways since you can have one outdrive in forward, and one in reverse. There are some pontoons with a small cabin with AC which can be pleasant to escape the heat or just drive in comfort, but they aren't much for watersports.

Like aircraft, it's hard for a boat to be a jack of all trades. Cruisers are good for bringing the comforts of home along, but not particularly easy to trailer or use for playing around with towables. That's why I suggested the 280SS/330SS-type boats because they can have some small kitchenette appliances, A/C and genset, while also offering a bit of sporty handling capability for towing the kiddos. They'll run 55-65mph to boot. You can find most of the mid-90's models for around $35K.
 
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Oh, and also well above price range. :)

What is the price range? Did I miss it?

I love boat shopping, I will find your next one! One that really meets your parameters, not just the coolest pontoon boat made.
 
Those are all good points @SoonerAviator , and as you said nothing can really be jack of all trades. Like planes it's figuring out what does the most of what we want to make it the most enjoyable. I did look at a Sea Ray 280SS and it looked like a nice cabin and deck that would meet the needs well. Like I've said before I didn't like the pontoon idea and I don't think it makes sense, hence why I'm talking about some of these cabin boats.

With twins, you can more or less pivot the boat like a BULLDOZER

FTFY ;)

What is the price range? Did I miss it?

I love boat shopping, I will find your next one! One that really meets your parameters, not just the coolest pontoon boat made.

We haven't actually decided to get something yet, this is still in the "thinking about" stage. But looking something in the low 5-figure range (so figure $10k range, $15k max). Yes, I realize that gets us an older boat and that worked well for us last time. They all float.

No need to search yet, not sure my wife is sold on the idea yet. :)
 
The window itself doesn't move relative to what it's bedded into. So, stronger is better. 5200 it is.

I know that post is old as dirt, but we experienced boaters call 5200 the devil's glue. Nothing needs to be stuck that hard!
 
I know that post is old as dirt, but we experienced boaters call 5200 the devil's glue. Nothing needs to be stuck that hard!

Jesse will have to tell you how he feels about that since he now owns that boat.
 
With a $15K budget it’ll be harder to find one but some of the late 80’s/early 90’s pocket cruisers might do it. Something akin to a Formula 27PC might fit the bill to be able to have a usable cabin with genset/AC and be maneuverable enough for towables. They’re about 29’ long from bow pulpit to swim platform and almost a 10’ beam.
 
Laurie and I talked about it and she's on-board with the idea, now we're browsing. So @Fiveslide you can start searching. :)

Like I said, looking to spend under $15k. $10k would be better. Size wise something that can still be trailered, and trailer included is preferable. I'm sort of thinking 27-31' is the length range, but could go a bit bigger or smaller if the specifics were right. Willing to drive within a few hundred miles of KC for the right boat.

Not pontoon. Power boat with a cabin. Bridge style is fine, but it still needs to have a good deck. Also needs to have a good cabin. AC and a generator I'll say are requirements for now.

We would like something we could camp on if we so chose. I could see us doing that with this boat. Kitchen I'd say we care less about, but in that size range most of them seem to have it. Bigger deal is having a comfortable cabin.

Deck is where we'll spend most of the time, but in our price range it seems like a lot of the deck layouts aren't exactly what we'd want. That can be changed around though, and so may require some adjustments.
 
Laurie and I talked about it and she's on-board with the idea, now we're browsing. So @Fiveslide you can start searching. :)

Like I said, looking to spend under $15k. $10k would be better. Size wise something that can still be trailered, and trailer included is preferable. I'm sort of thinking 27-31' is the length range, but could go a bit bigger or smaller if the specifics were right. Willing to drive within a few hundred miles of KC for the right boat.

Not pontoon. Power boat with a cabin. Bridge style is fine, but it still needs to have a good deck. Also needs to have a good cabin. AC and a generator I'll say are requirements for now.

We would like something we could camp on if we so chose. I could see us doing that with this boat. Kitchen I'd say we care less about, but in that size range most of them seem to have it. Bigger deal is having a comfortable cabin.

Deck is where we'll spend most of the time, but in our price range it seems like a lot of the deck layouts aren't exactly what we'd want. That can be changed around though, and so may require some adjustments.
That first boat fits the bill, needs mechanical work. but there is room in the budget.
 
Your specifications have me thinking Bayliner Command Bridge 28**, Sea Ray flybridge 30, some Carvers might fit, Silverton 31. These are just on the edge of too wide to reasonably trailer. Something 27 to 31 feet isn't typically trailered often, usually twice a year to and from the marina each season, left in the water.

Those are some brands you can check out. One of my favorite boats ever is the Silverton 34, but that'd be a little wide and mostly found on the coast.

Finding any of these boats with a functional genset and AC at that price, and near KC is going to be like finding unicorn ****.

Any way you can trailer or ship from the Chesapeake Bay? They're practically giving them away out here. Shipping a flybridge isn't quite as bad as shipping, say, a sailboat where you have to pull the mast and still may not it under bridges because of the keel.

I await your reply.
 
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