the ultamate compliment

- - - and you actually let him fire up your flying wonder wings?

HR

No, Harley, the guy copied my vid to show what his could look like.

I have no idea who he is. other than a member of the Firchild club.
 
I better pick this up. I need to find my retirement project now. What's another airplane.

Kevin
 
I better pick this up. I need to find my retirement project now. What's another airplane.

Kevin

Yea. Everyone needs half a basket case...

I can't imagine a project like this where someone else took it apart and lost half the stuff and then trying to put it back together again.

"Something went here – I wonder what?"

"WTF does this do?"

Etc.

BTW – love the sound of that engine. Just love it. Nothing like my stupid Rotax, eh?
 
Yea. Everyone needs half a basket case...

I can't imagine a project like this where someone else took it apart and lost half the stuff and then trying to put it back together again.

"Something went here – I wonder what?"

"WTF does this do?"

Etc.

BTW – love the sound of that engine. Just love it. Nothing like my stupid Rotax, eh?

That is what blue prints are for, we have over 4k of them on CD. It is a must to have them, because many of the old birds are no longer correct, or have paper on any of the changes.

If you are interested in a project 24 there are a few for sale cheap. they are well supported and the parts are plentiful.

but you might better buy mine, it will have a fresh overhauled Warner on it and I ve priced it at the cost of a Warner. I've got 90K in it and will take 50 for it.
 
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Well no s-t Tom, you probably have the prime freaking sample of the type....:thumbsup:

BTW, How do they do on floats?

Well, Thank you.

not worth a sh-- too under powered, but they will do it.
 
I've got 90K in it and will take 50 for it.

I am going to save your quote, for the next time someone posts about a project plane they want our opinion on buying. Not to discourage those wanting to preserve history or to bring an old clunker back to life, but the facts of aircraft restoration are well stated by your line above.
 
I am going to save your quote, for the next time someone posts about a project plane they want our opinion on buying. Not to discourage those wanting to preserve history or to bring an old clunker back to life, but the facts of aircraft restoration are well stated by your line above.

The way this market has treated aircraft prices, is the reason I'm in upside down on this one. I usually double my money on the aircraft I restore. The month prior to my buying the 24, there were two sold for 90K and they weren't as good as mine.

It's not flyable and I must vacate the hangar, so I get to pull the wings again.

When I get it flying again, the price will go back up.
 
Including your labor??

Yes..

2623V bought for 10k, sold for 30k
2801C bought for 24k, sold for 45k
19143 bought for 40k, priced at 90k (flying)

plus remember I fly them too, that is equal to the rent of a like aircraft.

I put 250 hours on 2623V, and almost that much on 2801C,
 
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Good deal then.

19143 bought for 40k, priced at 90k
I am still dubious, bear with me.
Let's say you put say 20K parts and out of pocket expenses into the Fairchild. (Adjust as necessary.) That leaves 30K profit, if you value your labor at $0.

I daresay you should be able to make 100K with your level of competence and expertise as a freelance A+P.
So, if you took 120 8-hour days (~1/3 year) to refurbish the airplane, your profit goes to zero.
What'd I miss?
 
Not that I would ever want to do it, but it seems to me that the act of bringing an old wreck back to life, be it an airplane, automobile, boat, house, or whatever, is not about the money, but more about the enjoyment of working toward the accomplishment.

I think most, but not all, of those who undertake such tasks for monetary gain, are setting themselves up for disappointment.

It's the journey.

John
 
You want to hear about how much money I've done on the house remodel job?

Good deal then.


I am still dubious, bear with me.
Let's say you put say 20K parts and out of pocket expenses into the Fairchild. (Adjust as necessary.) That leaves 30K profit, if you value your labor at $0.

I daresay you should be able to make 100K with your level of competence and expertise as a freelance A+P.
So, if you took 120 8-hour days (~1/3 year) to refurbish the airplane, your profit goes to zero.
What'd I miss?
 
Doing the work Tom has done, and as he has chronicled it, can surely not be solely for the economic benefit (although he richly deserves such benefit); there is so much in the way of love and art there, as well.

Could Mozart, if told he would never sell another piece for money, have stopped writing his music? I think not.
 
What was the joke about Mozart in his casket furiously erasing one of his works? The guy at the funeral home said not to worry, he was just decomposing.

Doing the work Tom has done, and as he has chronicled it, can surely not be solely for the economic benefit (although he richly deserves such benefit); there is so much in the way of love and art there, as well.

Could Mozart, if told he would never sell another piece for money, have stopped writing his music? I think not.
 
Good deal then.


I am still dubious, bear with me.
Let's say you put say 20K parts and out of pocket expenses into the Fairchild. (Adjust as necessary.) That leaves 30K profit, if you value your labor at $0.

I daresay you should be able to make 100K with your level of competence and expertise as a freelance A+P.
So, if you took 120 8-hour days (~1/3 year) to refurbish the airplane, your profit goes to zero.
What'd I miss?

You missed the fact I do this as a hobby, evenings and weekend as time permits, that turns my idle time into money. I bought the 24 as a project from a guy who knew I'd get it restored some day. It was a flying project, when I bought it, pristine 24s at that time were selling for 80-100K, I bought this one for 40K, I've spent from the time I took it apart in 2001 to 2009 to restore it, I flew 40+ hours summer 2009, and it lost oil pressure on the down wind to OKH 07 out over the water, I shut it off to keep it from failing and beating its self apart. and now have the Warner apart and replacing the oil feed bushing, two mag drive gears and bushings plus polishing the crank, and fitting it with a new master rod bearing, .(0005 under) plus cleaning the sludge traps and curing some oil leaks,

Its a fun old aircraft, and draws a crowd where ever it goes, It flys great, carries me and Barb OK, but not much more.

It will climb at 800' per minute, with 2 aboard and 60 gallons of fuel. and cruise at 90k, at 1750 Turns burning 8-9 gal per hour.

you can see the vids on U-tube, (fairchild flyer )

cost to restore any aircraft went thru the roof during 2000-2009 time period I have 40k buy, and another 40K in materials in this one, Cessnas and other tin and rivet aircraft do not require the expensive materials that a rag and tube aircraft does. MY cost for recover materials alone were 6k, price S2S spruce, and the other supplies like stitching tape, ceconite. etc, you'll understand where the 40k went

But who else do you know that is a head in $ for their hobby?
 
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All I can say is, thank God there are guys like you around that keep them flying.
http://www.aircraftowner.com/videos...-airfield-on-the-flightline-tv-show_1771.html

Blakesburg is the mecca for the classic aircraft groupies, but you will find most of the restorations are completed by the specialty shops not by the individual like myself, simply because of cost of doing it.

The specialty shops can show there trophies and draw the folks with the big bucks and get the job on contract, The individual can't
 
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