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Football is becoming so emasculated -- players are routinely slapped with huge penalties for legitimate hits -- that they should change the name to pussyball. I predict that within a year or two, they'll stop keeping score and start giving everyone trophies. :mad: ... sigh ...
 
Penalties are getting ridiculous . Refs aren't getting any better either. Time to take another look at the rule changes.
 
The NFL has always had slightly less acting than the WWE and slightly more drama than the Soap Network. No idea why anyone watches that ****.
 
N5922S said:
Football is becoming so emasculated -- players are routinely slapped with huge penalties for legitimate hits -- that they should change the name to pussyball. I predict that within a year or two, they'll stop keeping score and start giving everyone trophies. :mad: ... sigh ...
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I see my years of ignoring football were not in vain.
 
NFL - National Flag-football League.

What's the problem?
 
Something had to be done. Too many young men getting injured for life. No different than gladiators except these guys get paid more. It was turning into a blood sport and needed to be curtailed. Lawsuits about concussions will put an end to football as we knew it, and I think it is a good thing. The game should not be about hurting someone intentionally.

If anyone thinks it "pussyball" I would like to see you play a quarter of college ball or a set of downs of pro ball. I think your armchair view of the game would be changed.... if you can make it back to the chair. :lol:
 
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My friends dad played 10 years in the NFL. Rookie season was the 72 Dolphins. He suffers from Parkinson's, and he is involved in the big NFL lawsuit. While the equipment is better now than when he played, the players are stronger and faster. I have no problem with the NFL trying to make a safer game.
 
JB1842 said:
My friends dad played 10 years in the NFL. Rookie season was the 72 Dolphins. He suffers from Parkinson's, and he is involved in the big NFL lawsuit. While the equipment is better now than when he played, the players are stronger and faster. I have no problem with the NFL trying to make a safer game.
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The human body and physics hasn't changed at all. ;)

I would like to see more "carry over" penalties where players are ejected from the game, and a couple of more with no pay for serious infractions.
 
Geico266 said:
The human body and physics hasn't changed at all. ;)

I would like to see more "carry over" penalties where players are ejected from the game, and a couple of more with no pay for serious infractions.
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True. But nutrition and training has. And that has a direct affect of the body. There are still some stupid penalties depending on who you hit it could be either legal or a penalty.
 
N5922S said:
Football is becoming so emasculated -- players are routinely slapped with huge penalties for legitimate hits -- that they should change the name to pussyball. I predict that within a year or two, they'll stop keeping score and start giving everyone trophies. :mad: ... sigh ...
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I agree. While I think the head on head hits with the crown of the helmet should be more severely penalized (they are ****-poor form for a tackle, as you lose sight of your target), the other penalties including hitting someone almost out of bounds, etc. are ridiculous, and are diminishing the game.

I think the lawyers are making the NFL into a pansy league, and it's sad.
 
Geico266 said:
Something had to be done. Too many young men getting injured for life. No different that gladiators except these guys get paid more. It was turning into a blood sport and needed to be curtailed. Lawsuits about concussions will put an end to football as we knew it, and I think it is a good thing. The game should not be about hurting someone intentionally.
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Oh brother. It is not about hurting someone intentionally. It's about running, passing, blocking, and tacking.

And I think you overstate the injury "epidemic."

Cervical Cord Injuries
Seven cervical cord injuries with incomplete neurological recovery occurred to football players at the high school level and one occurred at the college level, according to the 2009 Annual Survey of Catastrophic Football Injuries. This makes the rate of this serious injury 0.46 and 1.33 per 100,000 players, respectively. The majority of cervical cord injuries occur during games. Between 1977 and 2009 – including the nine players previously mentioned: 253 high school players, 34 college players, six recreational players and 14 professionals suffered an incomplete recovery from a cervical cord injury.
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http://www.livestrong.com/article/369537-percentage-statistics-for-football-players-serious-injury/

Any cervical spine injury is tragic. But in 32 years, there were less than 8 of those per year in High school, 1 per year in college, and 0.5 per year in the pros. Not really a blood sport.


[/QUOTE]If anyone thinks it "pussyball" I would like to see you play a quarter of college ball or one play of pro ball. I think your armchair view of the game would be changed.... if you can make it back to the chair. :lol:[/QUOTE]

I played college football. The goal was actually to win the game, and taking stupid penalties trying to injure someone brought a penalty, and usually the wrath of the coaches.

I had a concussion, and two knee surgeries, but in 8 years of HS and college ball, the worst injury I saw was in a tackle pile-up, a steel-tipped cleat got under the face mask of one of our DBs and it knocked out a bunch of lower teeth and split is lower lip in half.
 
JB1842 said:
True. But nutrition and training has. And that has a direct affect of the body. There are still some stupid penalties depending on who you hit it could be either legal or a penalty.
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Penalties are part of the game, becoming permanently injured should not be.
 
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Geico266 said:
Something had to be done. Too many young men getting injured for life. No different that gladiators except these guys get paid more. It was turning into a blood sport and needed to be curtailed. Lawsuits about concussions will put an end to football as we knew it, and I think it is a good thing. The game should not be about hurting someone intentionally.

If anyone thinks it "pussyball" I would like to see you play a quarter of college ball or one play of pro ball. I think your armchair view of the game would be changed.... if you can make it back to the chair. :lol:
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I have no issue with attempting to do something to prevent injuries.

However, the actual implemention hoover's big time. Phantom calls for hitting with the crown of the helmet when you can clearly see the tackler made the play exactly how the NFL wants them to do it.

And all the "illegal contact" calls .... don't touch the receiver (poor peyton manning.... it's too hard for him to play unless his receivers can run anywhere they want).

Illegal hands to the face? how many injuries were caused by hands to the face?

btw - how many injuries were caused by tackling/blocking someone by taking out their knees?
 
The reality is the situation (like it or not) is that lawsuits concerning damage to the brain from concussions and other permentant injuries will curtain the sport.

There is no epidemic of permentant injury amoung football players? How do you explain the lower life expectancy? :dunno:
 
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I quit watching the NFL about 15 years ago when I realized that it was acceptable to try to win by injuring your opponent. I still watch college ball, the rules there are much more geared towards protecting the players from injury. Not that injuries don't happen, but it seems that they are fewer.
 
Geico266 said:
The reality is the situation (like it or not) is that lawsuits concerning damage to the brain from concussions and other permentant injuries will curtain the sport.

There is no epidemic of permentant injury amoung football players? How do you explain the lower life expectancy? :dunno:
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Cry me a river. These guys exchange damage to their bodies for celebrity and millions. No one holds a gun to their heads, they do this willingly. And God forbid they might have at least one firing neuron and put a little money away for medical care later in life. The fact that some of these guys are now suing the NFL sickens me.
 
Bill Jennings said:
Cry me a river. These guys exchange damage to their bodies for celebrity and millions. No one holds a gun to their heads, they do this willingly. And God forbid they might have at least one firing neuron and put a little money away for medical care later in life. The fact that some of these guys are now suing the NFL sickens me.
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The facts are the lawsuits will continue to curtail the sport.
 
Never had much use for pro ball. Just a bunch of hired guns playing for the enrichment of the already rich.
 
JB1842 said:
True. But nutrition and training has. And that has a direct affect of the body.
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Not only has training and nutrition improved but so has the AAS compounds these guys are running. Im all for optimum performance and that includes running some serious gear to make the human body superhuman. If baseball player s are cycling anabolics I can only imagine what the stacks that American football players are running. Im all for AAS by the way.
 
I don't pay much attention what is with players getting fined/benched for domestic violence stuff? Not defending hittin yo womyn, but it gets sticky when your employer is defending PC morality. Especially how easy it is to convict in the court of public opinion. If I owned a NFL team I'd be sending truckloads of strippers to opposing players parties, with a bonus plan, if they can get themselves hit by a star player they get $100,000. Easy championship win.
 
Football used to be a contact sport....
 
More rules, more penalties. Is it working? Are injuries to players down? Quantify the results and see where we're going. Not sure there's a correlation yet.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/titans-locker-texans-fitzpatrick-injured-031745815--nfl.html

It's a tough game. I used to play hockey in college in some of the bad years. I'm not a big guy, and I hurt after every game. No way could I have played in the NHL, just no way. Football is worse, it's gridiron face off every play.
 
ClimbnSink said:
I don't pay much attention what is with players getting fined/benched for domestic violence stuff? Not defending hittin yo womyn, but it gets sticky when your employer is defending PC morality.
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Slippery slope.
 
NFL is a state recognized monopoly. They can do anything they want within the club. If you don't agree, you don't get membership. I recall the USFL and they went after some NFL players for a short time. One USFL owner signed his NFL player to a 'personal service' contract. No matter if the USFL went bust or not, the owner had to pay the guy. Also in the contract were stipulations about freedom to go anywhere, anytime, and do anything he wanted. I think the player in question was in trubble with the NFL for some kind of morals thing, maybe pot. Did not turn out well for the owner.
 
docmirror said:
More rules, more penalties. Is it working? Are injuries to players down? Quantify the results and see where we're going. Not sure there's a correlation yet.



http://sports.yahoo.com/news/titans-locker-texans-fitzpatrick-injured-031745815--nfl.html



It's a tough game. I used to play hockey in college in some of the bad years. I'm not a big guy, and I hurt after every game. No way could I have played in the NHL, just no way. Football is worse, it's gridiron face off every play.
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I don't know. I played college football, but you hockey players are tough bast*rds.

Last week Kevin Klein of the Rangers had part of his left ear TORN OFF by a high stick, got it stitched up, and then went back in to shoot the game winning goal!

I think we can agree that in baseball, that would put someone on the 15-day disabled list at a minimum.
 
Eh, take away all the safety gear, much like rugby. You won't see people get steamrolled (awww) but much more skilled plays.
 
Geico266 said:
Something had to be done. Too many young men getting injured for life. No different than gladiators except these guys get paid more. It was turning into a blood sport and needed to be curtailed. Lawsuits about concussions will put an end to football as we knew it, and I think it is a good thing. The game should not be about hurting someone intentionally.

If anyone thinks it "pussyball" I would like to see you play a quarter of college ball or a set of downs of pro ball. I think your armchair view of the game would be changed.... if you can make it back to the chair. :lol:
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You beat me to it, Geico. I'm not a huge football fan, but i'm disappointed more people aren't angry at the NFL for pretending their players weren't getting brain damaged by the hits some you are missing.
 
bbridges51 said:
You beat me to it, Geico. I'm not a huge football fan, but i'm disappointed more people aren't angry at the NFL for pretending their players weren't getting brain damaged by the hits some you are missing.
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You going to go all the way down to kids chewing themselves up playing high school football? Not defending the NFL, not a football fan either, but you'd have to change the countries culture to change the game. Guys hurt themselves for money banging nails, building bridges, etc. so what's the difference if they do it chasing a NFL ride? Trading health for money is a job description for most male jobs.
 
ClimbnSink said:
Trading health for money is a job description for most male jobs.
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Interesting comment.

When I first thought about this comment, I thought you were referring to the trades, but "trading health for money" also applies to jobs where stress is a factor.
 
bbridges51 said:
You beat me to it, Geico. I'm not a huge football fan, but i'm disappointed more people aren't angry at the NFL for pretending their players weren't getting brain damaged by the hits some you are missing.
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Exactly. I love football, I really do, but I hate when people are injured for my entertainment.
 
Geico266 said:
Exactly. I love football, I really do, but I hate when people are injured for my entertainment.
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They're not. They're injured because of an accident, or frequently player error.

I'm not happy pilots who fly for entertainment still get into stall-spin and fuel exhaustion accidents. Something's got to be done! :crazy:
 
Tonights' game was a flag fest. What I'm still not sure of is the rate of penalties reducing injuries. On Sunday, Texans lost two QBs, and a bunch of other players went down with serious stuff. Doesn't seem to be a correlation with penalties and more rules to me.
 
N5922S said:
Football is becoming so emasculated -- players are routinely slapped with huge penalties for legitimate hits -- that they should change the name to pussyball. I predict that within a year or two, they'll stop keeping score and start giving everyone trophies. :mad: ... sigh ...
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It started back when Rozelle was obsessed with parity.

The the league began to "crack down" on any particular player that became extremely popular. I remember how fast the league went after Mark Gastinuea (sp) for dancing around after a sack, and they way they went after any individual that was a threat to rise above the league in terms of attention.

You can see the obsession with the league above the law, and the power of the league above the enjoyment of the fans, and the rule of the league above the game.

The NFL has a history of doing the wrong thing all the time.
 
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nddons said:
I don't know. I played college football, but you hockey players are tough bast*rds.

Last week Kevin Klein of the Rangers had part of his left ear TORN OFF by a high stick, got it stitched up, and then went back in to shoot the game winning goal!

I think we can agree that in baseball, that would put someone on the 15-day disabled list at a minimum.
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Anymore, baseball puts players on the disabled list for sprained toe nails.
 
I always thought the DL was to manage the book on a team or series or game. Swing the spread just the right direction. Started noticing that when I used to bet on the Dodgers who had a streak going here and there.
 
docmirror said:
I always thought the DL was to manage the book on a team or series or game. Swing the spread just the right direction. Started noticing that when I used to bet on the Dodgers who had a streak going here and there.
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What? I though "Charlie Hustle" Pete Rose was the only person to ever bet on baseball, leaving him out of the hall of fame according to the holier-than-thou, wanna be, jock-sniffing baseball writers.
 
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