Like I said before.
I think that is a dubious (hyped) representation of solar power and the Tesla.
I think it's also dubious to try to portray the Tesla as having low maintenance costs. $40,000 battery?
It's arguable whether the car is environmentally friendly. It's arguable whether the car is green. It's arguable whether the car is energy efficient.
The range estimates are probably under idealistic conditions. If you drive it like a sports car, the range will likely decrease and the maintenance will likely increase.
Ask yourself this. In 100 years time, will:
1. Cars be electric?
2. Gay marriage be allowed?
3. Marijuana legal?
Of course they will. So why not get with the program now and be progressive, rather than a backwards stick in the mud?
It isn't green. Supported by the current administration(any current administration) is newspeak for paid for with money taken from the American people.
This thing is a beauty, and 0.1 faster 0-60 than my Lexus...I'm getting one as soon as the Lexus is paid off...unless I can convince my wife to get one sooner than that (I will bribe her with a new Audi)...
No Joy's objections are purely political - he categorically opposes everything that is (a) green, and (b) supported by the current administration. Regardless of whether its made in America or good for Americans. A true patriot, he is....
Clearly you didn't read post #108.
Tesla repaid $465 million in government loans nearly ten years early.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/22/auto...ent/index.html
Try comparing that to car or bank bailouts.
The above assumes a pickup that cost $50K, never breaks in 100K, and holds its value extremely well. Take a real competitor like a BMW or Mercedes and the numbers are ridiculously in favor of the Tesla.
Teslas are cool cars. The performance is unmatched, and the electric motor gives an enormous standing torque, far better than any gasoline engine (they all give ZERO standing torque!). If you want one for that reason, it's entirely legit. But if you want one because it's "green" and especially because it's going to "save money," you're fooling yourself.
Slanderous hypocrisy.This thing is a beauty, and 0.1 faster 0-60 than my Lexus...I'm getting one as soon as the Lexus is paid off...unless I can convince my wife to get one sooner than that (I will bribe her with a new Audi)...
No Joy's objections are purely political - he categorically opposes everything that is (a) green, and (b) supported by the current administration. Regardless of whether its made in America or good for Americans. A true patriot, he is....
Upside:
From a performance aspect, lithium batteries are some of the best with current technology. Lithium batteries are generally less harmful to the environment than some batteries.
Downside:
Lithium batteries also tend to be more of a fire and explosive hazard than most other batteries.
Lipo Battery Fire
http://youtu.be/C5_-eBbDE0s
It will be interesting to see how well the Tesla batteries hold up as they become older and when/if they grow in popularity.
As the lithium car batteries age, and more of them get involved in accidents, and exposed to water and other chemicals; I suspect there will be more fires and explosions involving vehicles with lithium batteries.
Another reason that I'm not a big fan of Tesla, is I prefer to support American labor. I prefer not to export our wealth and jobs.
Part of the reason that I chose my vehicle, is it is American owned, made and the vast majority of components are American made.
I one of the many things I don't like about Tesla, is so many of the components are imported. I don't like exporting our jobs and wealth.
Slanderous hypocrisy.
Part of the reason that I chose my vehicle, is it is American owned, made and the vast majority of components are American made.
I one of the many things I don't like about Tesla, is so many of the components are imported. I don't like exporting our jobs and wealth.
Nope. In 100 years the great progressive society will have crumbled and we will be living in a new dark age while real men grow up and figure out knowledge that was lost. Crumbled society means either violent and short lives or *gasp* traditional nuclear family based society. Nothing else works for long.
Where do people make this stuff up from?
Every generation claims to have it worse than the prior, yet, if you look at the data - The notion of it getting worse is entirely false and contrived.
People need to stop watching news and start living..
You're post doesn't make sense. It's contradictory.This makes no sense.
You're post doesn't make sense. It's contradictory.
Obviously you don't frequent spin zone. This kind of stuff is SOP on spin zone.Where do people make this stuff up from?
Every generation claims to have it worse than the prior, yet, if you look at the data - The notion of it getting worse is entirely false and contrived.
People need to stop watching news and start living..
In many cases the serial number can be used to determine the type of components and the origin of components. IE engine size and origin.The VIN will tell you where the assembly line was in many cases, but it will not tell you the origin of any of the components.
Not true. In many cases the serial number can be used to determine the type of components and the origin of components. IE engine size and origin.
But like I said I used more than just the VIN. I use serial numbers and other identifications.
I don't know if it applies to foreign manufacturers. However I think most (if not all) US manufacturers have a record of much of what was installed on a vehicle in case there is a recall or theft.
Part of the reasons your posts don't make sense, is bigotry and ignorance.
In many cases the serial number can be used to determine the type of components and the origin of components. IE engine size and origin.
But like I said I used more than just the VIN. I use serial numbers and other identifications.
I don't know if it applies to foreign manufacturers. However I think most (if not all) US manufacturers have a record of much of what was installed on a vehicle in case there is a recall or theft.
Part of the reasons your posts don't make sense, is bigotry and ignorance.
Trolls crack me up. Bigotry and ignorance are often related.Bigotry and ignorance? Odd definition.
Ignorance #1: The VIN **IS** the serial number. If you weren't talking out of your butt, you would know that. You have a single engine code that says its model, nothing more. And the number of options encoded in the VIN is a short list. Typically, it's the type of transmission (often just manual vs. automatic), whether or not you have ABS/traction control, body type, perhaps wheelbase if there is a choice, and not much else. For instance, it will tell you nothing at all about the origin of any part of the electrical system. You're aware that a car has several hundred components, right?
So, why won't you tell us which model you chose? Is it because we could then verify you were wrong?
Trolls crack me up. Bigotry and ignorance are often related.
VIN stands for "vehicle identification number". Engines also contain serial numbers. There are often serial numbers on transmissions, and differentials. To make it easier for law-enforcement, some newer vehicles have both VIN and serial numbers on the engine and or transmission.
http://www.nastyz28.com/chevy-engine-code-stampings.php
I don't know if it still is common practice; but some manufacturers use to keep a list of the serial numbers that were indexed by the corresponding to the VIN. This helped law-enforcement fight crime (vehicle theft, chop shops, etc.) The lists helped law-enforcement identify what serial number parts were shipped with what VIN, this helped recover stolen property, and bust thieves.
Also sometimes parts lists were stored on a database and indexed by the VIN. Therefore it was easier to order parts and target mailers for recall notices.
Often there was a identification plate on the outside firewall or finder well that contained information about paint type, etc.
Often there was a minor assembly list with the dealer papers on delivery, inside firewall, glove box, under the seat or over the visor.
Often there was a larger assembly list under the passenger side carpet, passenger seat, or inside a front door.
Many vehicles and many parts used to have a Julian date system, that would identify the date, shift, location, lot number, that the vehicles and components was made.
Who said it had anything to do about ethnicity?Just out of curiosity, what part of your ethnicity has been violated, if I may ask?
Who said it had anything to do about ethnicity?
Let me guess; you are erroneously stereotyping the word "bigotry", as to being about ethnicity? You taking what I say out of context?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Bigotry
Trolls typically are prejudice. Whether out of malice and/or because of their ignorance, they often take things out of context to make unfounded attacks. Prejudice typically is a form of ignorance, whether it be; cause or effect.
Lets see, my Saturn is my most American car, made in TN yet it still has a Saab transmission.This makes no sense.
Pick your favorite Ford. Many of the components are made by Japanese companies, including major drivetrain components like the transmissions. Multiple engine families were German made. It's been this way since the 80s. Ford owns several "foreign" automakers and takes advantage of that. Until very recently, Ford owned 1/3 of Mazda. Is it really a Japanese company? What does that actually mean?
GM does the same thing with a different family of foreign automakers.
Chrysler hasn't been American for 5 years now. First, owned by Daimler (German), now Fiat (Italian).
There is no such thing as an American memory chip. Not since the early 90's. A VERY large number of cars these days have CANs, a German technology owned by Bosch.
We've lived in a global marketplace for a long time.
If you're going to claim there is a such thing as an American made vehicle -- or even a "mostly" American made vehicle (whatever that means), you're deluding yourself.
Oh boy, spin zone hits hanger talk. Next thing you know,,,,,,,,, I'm not going to start it, someone else can.
That's really not funny for me.
I'd never buy a Tesla - it's way too expensive and I can't replicate their payback calculations unless I compare it with a Maserati. If the cost was more in line with a $20,000 sedan I would probably buy one.
This is a very interesting car. The biggest Achilles heel in electric cars is the batteries. Tesla is using lithium ion batteries, which are lighter and perform far better than lead acid batteries used in every other electric vehicle. It's a big step.