TBM Down at KMWC

mirage00 said:
Accidents happen. That's why they are called accidents. It can happen to ANYONE. If you think it can't you're mistaken.
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Accidents CAN happen to anyone!

If you prop strike an airplane on landing a bad decision is trying to take off again. The airplane most likely is not airworthy, You most likely damaged the prop and worst case the engine as well which could've been the reason why the stall happened, I'm not sure.

The reason why most of us post accidents is to learn from them. I have learned a considerable amount from these posts. I'm not immune to accidents in fact I try to minimize as many of the risks as I can by learning.
 
Ok, so did he not put the gear down? Did he collapse the nose gear? How else do you have the prop hit the runway 22 times?


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RIP

Either a bad day mechanically or mentally for the pilot, or both, and a bad outcome for everyone.
 
Ah yes, the usual communists, gun grabbers, and "fairness" advocates always jump in declaring that no one has the right to be more successful than they are - of course, THEY decide what is fair :mad2:
 
FloridaPilot said:
If you prop strike an airplane on landing a bad decision is trying to take off again. The airplane most likely is not airworthy, You most likely damaged the prop and worst case the engine as well which could've been the reason why the stall happened, I'm not sure.

The reason why most of us post accidents is to learn from them.
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I recently got to talk to a guy who had a prop strike due to an almost-gear-up landing and didn't know he had a prop strike. It completely changed my perception of this type of accident.

Basically, he realized in the flare that he hadn't put the gear down, and by the time he went around, he had hit the runway briefly. All he heard was a scraping noise - Not the "tink tink tink" that I had imagined a prop strike would be like. He thought he had scraped the tail during the go-around, not the prop.

So, if you hear a scraping noise, abort and check it out!

dans2992 said:
Ok, so did he not put the gear down? Did he collapse the nose gear? How else do you have the prop hit the runway 22 times?
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If he was in the process of the go-around, and he was at, say, 2400 RPM, 22 hits of the runway happens in less than 1/100 of a minute, or 6/10 of a second. Quite easy to do if you porpoise, I bet.
 
dans2992 said:
Ok, so did he not put the gear down? Did he collapse the nose gear? How else do you have the prop hit the runway 22 times?


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That's what I'm trying to figure out. Prelim says gear handle was down and all three gear were extended at the time of impact. Tower didn't notice anything unusual in the landing or a bounce and said the gear appeared down on the approach.

He was landing with a slight tailwind component, but still mostly a direct x-wind. Maybe he just landed nose wheel first and hit the prop, then lost it on the go-around? How much prop clearance does a TBM have?

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Hate the thought of a go-around after touchdown in a complex aircraft. There is a lot to do in mine to transition from landing to flying, and not a whole lot of time to do it. I'm done doing touch and gos, that's for sure. RIP to the pilot and his spawn, same damn thing could happen to any of us. Well, it could happen to me at any rate.
 
I think prop-tip strikes may happen at least twice as often as reported. I remember being on the runway at LZZ on time with a student in a taildragger and pointing out a symmetrical series of gashes in the runway... no skid marks or evidence of a crash, but certainly something awfully propeller like was there.
 
RyanShort1 said:
I think prop-tip strikes may happen at least twice as often as reported. I remember being on the runway at LZZ on time with a student in a taildragger and pointing out a symmetrical series of gashes in the runway... no skid marks or evidence of a crash, but certainly something awfully propeller like was there.
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I had a prop strike go-around when I was getting a tailwheel checkout as a fairly new pilot. I bounced hard on an attempted wheel landing and elected to go around. We didn't climb very well but made it around the pattern. I didn't know it was a prop strike until we shut the engine down. Not sure the CFI did either.
 
Everskyward said:
I had a prop strike go-around when I was getting a tailwheel checkout as a fairly new pilot. I bounced hard on an attempted wheel landing and elected to go around. We didn't climb very well but made it around the pattern. I didn't know it was a prop strike until we shut the engine down. Not sure the CFI did either.
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I've been in a Cub for a propstrike. Customer shoved the stick forward on a wheel landing ALL THE WAY - and real hard and fast. Was a real annoyance. He didn't know we'd had the prop strike and was about to go around but I felt two little "thwhacks" and took the plane from him, closed the throttle, and brought her to a stop. Taxied in under power and we had about 2 inches of the wooden prop splintered off. Was about an $11K mistake... engine teardown / crank inspection and reworked because of a tolerance (needed a new bearing for diameter I think) and a new $2K wooden prop.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
If he was in the process of the go-around, and he was at, say, 2400 RPM, 22 hits of the runway happens in less than 1/100 of a minute, or 6/10 of a second. Quite easy to do if you porpoise, I bet.
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Not even that long.. 6/10ths of a second would be 22 rotations of the engine at 2400rpm. If it had a 4 blade prop, you're looking at .1375 of a second for the 22 marks. .33 seconds if he came in with the prop at 1000rpm.
 
RyanShort1 said:
I've been in a Cub for a propstrike. Customer shoved the stick forward on a wheel landing ALL THE WAY - and real hard and fast. Was a real annoyance. He didn't know we'd had the prop strike and was about to go around but I felt two little "thwhacks" and took the plane from him, closed the throttle, and brought her to a stop. Taxied in under power and we had about 2 inches of the wooden prop splintered off. Was about an $11K mistake... engine teardown / crank inspection and reworked because of a tolerance (needed a new bearing for diameter I think) and a new $2K wooden prop.
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This was in a Citabria so it was a metal prop. I seem to remember both blades being curled for about three inches. I don't remember any particular noise, just a big bounce. The CFI must not have heard or felt anything other than the bounce either. Later people asked us if we had felt any unusual vibration and the answer was no.
 
RyanShort1 said:
I've been in a Cub for a propstrike. Customer shoved the stick forward on a wheel landing ALL THE WAY - and real hard and fast. Was a real annoyance. He didn't know we'd had the prop strike and was about to go around but I felt two little "thwhacks" and took the plane from him, closed the throttle, and brought her to a stop. Taxied in under power and we had about 2 inches of the wooden prop splintered off. Was about an $11K mistake... engine teardown / crank inspection and reworked because of a tolerance (needed a new bearing for diameter I think) and a new $2K wooden prop.
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Huh. I always thought that one advantage of a wood prop was that you didn't need an engine teardown after a prop strike?
 
That may be an opinion Jay but I probably wouldn't fly the plane anyway just in case and we did end up finding a point out of tolerances that was I thing reground with a new bearing.


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Jay Honeck said:
Huh. I always thought that one advantage of a wood prop was that you didn't need an engine teardown after a prop strike?
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I think Lycoming currently requires a teardown even if you just taxi through long grass and the engine slows down at all. :(
 
FredFenster said:
Not even that long.. 6/10ths of a second would be 22 rotations of the engine at 2400rpm. If it had a 4 blade prop, you're looking at .1375 of a second for the 22 marks. .33 seconds if he came in with the prop at 1000rpm.
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Oh yeah. Duh. Good catch.
 
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