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If there's ever a shining example for the cliché, "You can't judge a book by its cover."... this is it:
This lady can sing!
This lady can sing!
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Yeah, yeah. Good for her.
You don't suppose the show's producer(s) and maybe others were surprised by that do you?
Yeah, yeah. Good for her.
You don't suppose the show's producer(s) and maybe others were surprised by that do you?
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Yeah? The next time you hear about Susan will be when she's on the Today Show plugging the musical she's in on Broadway. It will be how remarkably nice she looks, too.
Then we hope she can get another job when the buzz fades. Otherwise, she'll be touring singing in small halls and county fairs.
Yeah? The next time you hear about Susan will be when she's on the Today Show plugging the musical she's in on Broadway. It will be how remarkably nice she looks, too.
Then we hope she can get another job when the buzz fades. Otherwise, she'll be touring singing in small halls and county fairs.
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Don't forget about william hung. That guy actually started a major career out of that show. Not so much in the US, but in other parts of the world they are still selling his CDs.
Don't forget about william hung. That guy actually started a major career out of that show. Not so much in the US, but in other parts of the world they are still selling his CDs.
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and therefore will never be a "star". Ever since MTV, music has gone down hill because really talented people can't make it without looks.
and therefore will never be a "star". Ever since MTV, music has gone down hill because really talented people can't make it without looks.
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There's nothing like watching an entire room full of people taking a 2x4 in the face.
Finishing up then turning around and walking off = pure class!
A walk in...
There's nothing like watching an entire room full of people taking a 2x4 in the face.
Finishing up then turning around and walking off = pure class!
A walk in...
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MTV isn't the musicial stage. Yeah, Broadway tends to book movie and TV stars for high ticket shows, but there are a few, only known for theater, who are always finding work, and they they aren't always young and pretty.
MTV isn't the musicial stage. Yeah, Broadway tends to book movie and TV stars for high ticket shows, but there are a few, only known for theater, who are always finding work, and they they aren't always young and pretty.
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Broadway's audience is too narrow to produce "Stars", they are conditional stars. Bet not one non NYer here can name a Broadway Star they don't know from film or television.
Broadway's audience is too narrow to produce "Stars", they are conditional stars. Bet not one non NYer here can name a Broadway Star they don't know from film or television.
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Cherry Jones.
Jerry Orbach went from Broadway to film and television.
They both did whatever movie and TV work they could pick up.
In high school I organized a talent show that included John Herrera, who went to Broadway and has been working steady and teaching. He was Che in Evita.
Cherry Jones.
Jerry Orbach went from Broadway to film and television.
They both did whatever movie and TV work they could pick up.
In high school I organized a talent show that included John Herrera, who went to Broadway and has been working steady and teaching. He was Che in Evita.
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From that list I have only heard of Jerry Orbach, and I'm not positive who he is though I think he played a detective on Law and Order. You're part of the limited audience that pays attention. Now, go around the world and ask who Madonna is. People in the jungle wearing gourds as a cod piece know who Madonna is, and she was brought about by MTV. Madonna level stars are what these shows are trying to put out, and sorry to say, that girl will never be a star to that level. In the days of Radio, yes, but if you look around, in the age past Mtv, the only bands that have an ugly frontman/woman are legacy bands.
From that list I have only heard of Jerry Orbach, and I'm not positive who he is though I think he played a detective on Law and Order. You're part of the limited audience that pays attention. Now, go around the world and ask who Madonna is. People in the jungle wearing gourds as a cod piece know who Madonna is, and she was brought about by MTV. Madonna level stars are what these shows are trying to put out, and sorry to say, that girl will never be a star to that level. In the days of Radio, yes, but if you look around, in the age past Mtv, the only bands that have an ugly frontman/woman are legacy bands.
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OK. I went to the London-Broadway theater career idea because she sang a song from a musical. This is "Britain's Got Talent" which AFAIK, is Simon Cowell's own show as is "America's Got Talent" and may not be the same as "American Idol," which is supposedly looking for the next Madonna, although since Madonna herself can't actually sing she wouldn't have made it on the show. (Hows that for irony?)
And considering that I never watch these things I can't believe I know so much about it. It's only because they keep covering this crap as news.
OK. I went to the London-Broadway theater career idea because she sang a song from a musical. This is "Britain's Got Talent" which AFAIK, is Simon Cowell's own show as is "America's Got Talent" and may not be the same as "American Idol," which is supposedly looking for the next Madonna, although since Madonna herself can't actually sing she wouldn't have made it on the show. (Hows that for irony?)
And considering that I never watch these things I can't believe I know so much about it. It's only because they keep covering this crap as news.
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As far as appearance goes, I think they neglected to dress her up on purpose so they could go for the effect. It worked, didn't it? I don't think you need to be beautiful to be a successful singer, even if you are female. However, a professional makeover and wardrobe would do wonders. I have seen performers without their makeup and they look just like everyone else.
There's Elaine Paige who was mentioned by Susan Boyle in the YouTube clip (which incidentally doesn't work for me - I went to the YouTube site to see this). She isn't exactly a household name.
As far as appearance goes, I think they neglected to dress her up on purpose so they could go for the effect. It worked, didn't it? I don't think you need to be beautiful to be a successful singer, even if you are female. However, a professional makeover and wardrobe would do wonders. I have seen performers without their makeup and they look just like everyone else.
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Didn't Sarah Brightman star in Phantom of the Opera?
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When I tried to play that all I get is a static frame with the words "Embedding disabled by request"
Got the full link?
When I tried to play that all I get is a static frame with the words "Embedding disabled by request"
Got the full link?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPZh4AnWyk
You can get the link by clicking on the box on the lower left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPZh4AnWyk
You can get the link by clicking on the box on the lower left.
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It appears several here thought this was a set up and the producers knew she could sing as well. Shame.
Given Simon Cowell's history of being the cynic, I can't picture him ever allowing that to happen. He seems to go out of his way to vote against someone.
As for the her appearance on a morning show, here she is... singing a capella, no less:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/susan-boyle-youtube-sensa_n_187661.html
A couple other writings:
http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/04/16/susan-boyles-world-domination-continues-on-cbs-early-show/
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/04/16/the-susan-boyle-bubble/
From Twitter:
It appears several here thought this was a set up and the producers knew she could sing as well. Shame.
Given Simon Cowell's history of being the cynic, I can't picture him ever allowing that to happen. He seems to go out of his way to vote against someone.
As for the her appearance on a morning show, here she is... singing a capella, no less:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/susan-boyle-youtube-sensa_n_187661.html
A couple other writings:
http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/04/16/susan-boyles-world-domination-continues-on-cbs-early-show/
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/04/16/the-susan-boyle-bubble/
From Twitter:
I hope Susan Boyle does live her dream. Even if she does not pursue singing, she has still touched the hearts of many. That cannot be disputed.
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Nothing that can't get fixed. I'm sure she's got only a couple thousand slick guys and gals from America calling offering to represent her and fix her up.
Susan, go with Ovitz.
It appears several here thought this was a set up and the producers knew she could sing as well. Shame.
Given Simon Cowell's history of being the cynic, I can't picture him ever allowing that to happen. He seems to go out of his way to vote against someone.
As for the her appearance on a morning show, here she is... singing a capella, no less:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/susan-boyle-youtube-sensa_n_187661.html
A couple other writings:
http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/04/16/susan-boyles-world-domination-continues-on-cbs-early-show/
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/04/16/the-susan-boyle-bubble/
From Twitter:
I hope Susan Boyle does live her dream. Even if she does not pursue singing, she has still touched the hearts of many. That cannot be disputed.
Nothing that can't get fixed. I'm sure she's got only a couple thousand slick guys and gals from America calling offering to represent her and fix her up.
Susan, go with Ovitz.
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Define beautiful and successful. If successful is $50-$100k a year as voice talent, you bet, I worked in a recording studio for a brief period and can attest to that. As for "Industry Successful" where you have more money flowing out your a-- than you have productive things to do with, I'd love to believe you, but I don't believe that to be true any longer. Feel free to provide recent examples, within the last decade will be fine. Can you find me 10? 5?....
Define beautiful and successful. If successful is $50-$100k a year as voice talent, you bet, I worked in a recording studio for a brief period and can attest to that. As for "Industry Successful" where you have more money flowing out your a-- than you have productive things to do with, I'd love to believe you, but I don't believe that to be true any longer. Feel free to provide recent examples, within the last decade will be fine. Can you find me 10? 5?....
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Besides, like I mentioned before, makeup can do wonders to otherwise average-looking people. Then there's the other problem that I don't think I could name 10 female singers from this decade attractive or otherwise...
Haha, you're not going to goad me into naming people who I think are unattractive.Feel free to provide recent examples, within the last decade will be fine. Can you find me 10? 5?....
Besides, like I mentioned before, makeup can do wonders to otherwise average-looking people. Then there's the other problem that I don't think I could name 10 female singers from this decade attractive or otherwise...
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Didn't even think of that. She could be the next Marnie Nixon, although now everybody will recognize her voice. Watch her sing for a Disney animated movie.
VO guys who get regular work also make a lot more than that.
"Unknown" singers maybe not. She's not unknown now. Sponsors love recognizable but unidentified voices. I just noticed that Mike Rowe is doing the Ford TV commercials, but I should have remembered he signed Ford up as a sponsor for Dirty Jobs.
Didn't even think of that. She could be the next Marnie Nixon, although now everybody will recognize her voice. Watch her sing for a Disney animated movie.
VO guys who get regular work also make a lot more than that.
"Unknown" singers maybe not. She's not unknown now. Sponsors love recognizable but unidentified voices. I just noticed that Mike Rowe is doing the Ford TV commercials, but I should have remembered he signed Ford up as a sponsor for Dirty Jobs.
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Very true, I haven't been able to access the video, but I believe you she may have an excellent voice. I've seen a 1-900 boiler room, it would make me laugh and my skin crawl at the same time. I get the same reaction seeing Charlie Manson interviews.
This may have bought her a spot in the world on her talent regardless the rest of the competition. As I said, I would regularly see people doing voice work making $50-$100k 22 years ago (am I really that old now???), and I consider that a good living. She may very well pick up a corporate benefactor, and that would be a good thing IMO. However, it really is a matter of the exceptions setting the rules. I've had friends and dealings in the music business since highschool and I've just seen the way it's developed. It's always been entertainment therefor "Pretty" mattered, but since the major exposure was over radio, you could make it on talent reasonably easily, but if you were pretty enough or outlandish enough to make it on Ed Sullivan, now you were going somewhere. Take Elvis. If Elvis looked like Steve Tyler (I pick these two because I consider their caliber of talent on par with each other) do you think that Elvis would have been the phenomenon he was? Steve Tyler is a Rock Star no doubt and a great talent with a supremely hot daughter. Elvis is still even long dead OD'd on Twinkies, a Super Star. The difference is looks.
Very true, I haven't been able to access the video, but I believe you she may have an excellent voice. I've seen a 1-900 boiler room, it would make me laugh and my skin crawl at the same time. I get the same reaction seeing Charlie Manson interviews.
This may have bought her a spot in the world on her talent regardless the rest of the competition. As I said, I would regularly see people doing voice work making $50-$100k 22 years ago (am I really that old now???), and I consider that a good living. She may very well pick up a corporate benefactor, and that would be a good thing IMO. However, it really is a matter of the exceptions setting the rules. I've had friends and dealings in the music business since highschool and I've just seen the way it's developed. It's always been entertainment therefor "Pretty" mattered, but since the major exposure was over radio, you could make it on talent reasonably easily, but if you were pretty enough or outlandish enough to make it on Ed Sullivan, now you were going somewhere. Take Elvis. If Elvis looked like Steve Tyler (I pick these two because I consider their caliber of talent on par with each other) do you think that Elvis would have been the phenomenon he was? Steve Tyler is a Rock Star no doubt and a great talent with a supremely hot daughter. Elvis is still even long dead OD'd on Twinkies, a Super Star. The difference is looks.
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Reminds me of Paul Potts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEo5bjnJViA
And he won the whole thing, too.
Reminds me of Paul Potts:
And he won the whole thing, too.
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Pamela Anderson is one to avoid if she isn't wearing makeup. She lives near me and I see her out walking with her trainer. She makes you want to cross the street in case the ugly is contagious.
Haha, you're not going to goad me into naming people who I think are unattractive.
Besides, like I mentioned before, makeup can do wonders to otherwise average-looking people. Then there's the other problem that I don't think I could name 10 female singers from this decade attractive or otherwise...
Pamela Anderson is one to avoid if she isn't wearing makeup. She lives near me and I see her out walking with her trainer. She makes you want to cross the street in case the ugly is contagious.
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Wrong! Many years ago in my camera store I met a young customer who, when I saw him at the former Brunswick Music Theater -- for many years now known as Maine State Music theater -- who was in town to Lead in Sigmund Romberg's The Student Prince. He was a magnificent tenor; and two different ladies I escorted(separately) to the theater decided each was "in love." He came to the theater during other summers.
Years after, he was in a show on Broadway; probably still holds the record as the longest-playing Lead in that The Phantom of the Opera.
Mark Jacoby, one summer, was playing the Lead Gaylord P. Ravenal(sp?) in a Chicago production of Show Boat. He took a month, or so, leave from the show to come to Brunswick to play "J. L. Chamberlain" in the world premier of Chamberlain. Then he went back to Chicago to retake the "Show Boat" Lead.
http://www.filmreference.com/film/97/Mark-Jacoby.html
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Wrong! Many years ago in my camera store I met a young customer who, when I saw him at the former Brunswick Music Theater -- for many years now known as Maine State Music theater -- who was in town to Lead in Sigmund Romberg's The Student Prince. He was a magnificent tenor; and two different ladies I escorted(separately) to the theater decided each was "in love." He came to the theater during other summers.
Years after, he was in a show on Broadway; probably still holds the record as the longest-playing Lead in that The Phantom of the Opera.
Mark Jacoby, one summer, was playing the Lead Gaylord P. Ravenal(sp?) in a Chicago production of Show Boat. He took a month, or so, leave from the show to come to Brunswick to play "J. L. Chamberlain" in the world premier of Chamberlain. Then he went back to Chicago to retake the "Show Boat" Lead.
http://www.filmreference.com/film/97/Mark-Jacoby.html
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I have no doubt most of her issues these days have to do with excessive sun damage. She was truly beautiful years ago (now, character, I can't say).
I have no doubt most of her issues these days have to do with excessive sun damage. She was truly beautiful years ago (now, character, I can't say).
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Ah, but it only counts half because you knew him from a venue off broadway.
Ah, but it only counts half because you knew him from a venue off broadway.
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Cindy Crawford was (is? most likely still) the opposite. She looked better with no makeup than after. Filming a Pepsi Gotta Have It! commercial on the Southward in Avalon Harbor, I had the shoreboat duty for the production company (I wasn't running any other cruise ship pax) so when Cindy flew over on the helicopter, I went and picked her up, she was absolutely stunning and was wearing little, or likely no, makeup. (I wanted to ask her sooo bad, "So, was that you sticking the gerbil up Rick's butt?"). When hair and makeup were done with her
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Cindy Crawford was (is? most likely still) the opposite. She looked better with no makeup than after. Filming a Pepsi Gotta Have It! commercial on the Southward in Avalon Harbor, I had the shoreboat duty for the production company (I wasn't running any other cruise ship pax) so when Cindy flew over on the helicopter, I went and picked her up, she was absolutely stunning and was wearing little, or likely no, makeup. (I wanted to ask her sooo bad, "So, was that you sticking the gerbil up Rick's butt?"). When hair and makeup were done with her
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I doubt if it's all sun related.... It's a rough lifestyle and ages the body quickly.
I doubt if it's all sun related.... It's a rough lifestyle and ages the body quickly.
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She looks like a dude. Not cool.
She looks like a dude. Not cool.
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Finally saw the video, and I don't understand the title here. Simon was straight forward and the only comment he had about her career trying to break into singing was "How's that been working for you." He was honest when he said he knew they were going to hear some fantastic singing, his staff wouldn't have let her out otherwise. Here they would have, but in England it would be viewed as cruel and uncouth at that place.
Hopefully she gets some voice work out of it.
Finally saw the video, and I don't understand the title here. Simon was straight forward and the only comment he had about her career trying to break into singing was "How's that been working for you." He was honest when he said he knew they were going to hear some fantastic singing, his staff wouldn't have let her out otherwise. Here they would have, but in England it would be viewed as cruel and uncouth at that place.
Hopefully she gets some voice work out of it.
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Gawking at physical image only is exactly how america keeps getting overdone teenager idols touring the country making a bazillion $$'s...who's actual singing ability ranges from horrific to worse than a violently sick dog barking in a trash can. Do what voice instructors do - close your eyes and listen to the voice.
Give me the choice of unlimited free tickets to any of the typical nonsense or $100 tickets to a Susan Boyle concert and my credit card will take a hit.
Just for fun watch the youtube video timer. A total nobody took all of 4 seconds to floor everyone and 22 seconds to bring them to their feet - based purely on actual talent, not image and cleverly choreographing designed to attempt to hide vocal inadequacies. I've seen the national tour of Les Miserables twice and heard some seriously talented singers do that specific song multiple times. She's good even though it's through a shoddy video with crappy audio.
As far as being well known and famous and whatever is concerned, who cares. She is exactly the kind of unknown person and capability that you find at local, often literally hole in the wall, theatres all across this country and around the world. I know because I work with those people every day and I guarantee that you almost certainly don't know a single one of those individuals. They're really really good.
Gawking at physical image only is exactly how america keeps getting overdone teenager idols touring the country making a bazillion $$'s...who's actual singing ability ranges from horrific to worse than a violently sick dog barking in a trash can. Do what voice instructors do - close your eyes and listen to the voice.
Give me the choice of unlimited free tickets to any of the typical nonsense or $100 tickets to a Susan Boyle concert and my credit card will take a hit.
Just for fun watch the youtube video timer. A total nobody took all of 4 seconds to floor everyone and 22 seconds to bring them to their feet - based purely on actual talent, not image and cleverly choreographing designed to attempt to hide vocal inadequacies. I've seen the national tour of Les Miserables twice and heard some seriously talented singers do that specific song multiple times. She's good even though it's through a shoddy video with crappy audio.
As far as being well known and famous and whatever is concerned, who cares. She is exactly the kind of unknown person and capability that you find at local, often literally hole in the wall, theatres all across this country and around the world. I know because I work with those people every day and I guarantee that you almost certainly don't know a single one of those individuals. They're really really good.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/apr/16/britains-got-talent-susan-boyle
Thank God she shaved her pits.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/apr/16/britains-got-talent-susan-boyle
Thank God she shaved her pits.
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That was just wrong Elizabeth, now my lunch is going to waste because I suddenly have no appetite. Brings back images of the South of France...
That was just wrong Elizabeth, now my lunch is going to waste because I suddenly have no appetite. Brings back images of the South of France...
woodstock
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heh.
I'm truly evil, but I cannot help but think of Monty Python when I see photos of her.
That was just wrong Elizabeth, now my lunch is going to waste because I suddenly have no appetite. Brings back images of the South of France...
heh.
I'm truly evil, but I cannot help but think of Monty Python when I see photos of her.
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No kidding on both. She does remind me of a Terry Jones character, and that picture of you,
my psychic abilities show me pictures of vats of acidic sludge.
No kidding on both. She does remind me of a Terry Jones character, and that picture of you,
my psychic abilities show me pictures of vats of acidic sludge.
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er, the caption was a joke, I've been a cat lady since I was little.
No kidding on both. She does remind me of a Terry Jones character, and that picture of you,
er, the caption was a joke, I've been a cat lady since I was little.