Successful Cirrus Chute deployment.

[gismo]

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-14-2006/0004249104&EDATE=

I wonder if they were flying in "known icing conditions"? If so it will be interesting to see what the FAA does to the ATP. Sounds like he made the right decision though, given that he was in a spin and couldn't recover. I wonder how much ice he had.

 

[James_Dean]

This was the adds icing potential at 6000 for a couple hours after the accident.


James Dean

 

[spiderweb]

I wonder if a different type of aircraft would have been more spin resistant. (Probably a rhetorical question.)

 

[Lance F]

This was the adds icing potential at 6000 for a couple hours after the accident.


James Dean

Looks like about 110% potential!! He should NOT have been there under any circumstances.

 

[AdamZ]

There is a pretty extensive thread on this over on the red board. No way the pilot who I understand is an ATP could have missed the iceing potential. I wonder if the chute had the potential to accumulate ice as well? If so it wouldn't do much good I suppose.

 

[Steve]

I agree completely.

There's an SR22 based at my airport and the FBO manager and I were looking at it today while we discussed this accident. Although there's a weeping wing and alcohol prop there is no "protection" on the vertical fin or the outboard ~3 feet of each wing. Plus, the landing gear looks to be a good ice catcher. How much additional weight does it take to raise the stall speed. But hey, it's certified for known ice so it must ok. Blow & go.

I think the accident in CA last week demonstrated that there is a minimum altitude that that parachute is effective as a safety device,too.

Looks like about 110% potential!! He should NOT have been there under any circumstances.

 

[James_Dean]

I agree completely.

There's an SR22 based at my airport and the FBO manager and I were looking at it today while we discussed this accident. Although there's a weeping wing and alcohol prop there is no "protection" on the vertical fin or the outboard ~3 feet of each wing. Plus, the landing gear looks to be a good ice catcher. How much additional weight does it take to raise the stall speed. But hey, it's certified for known ice so it must ok. Blow & go.

I think the accident in CA last week demonstrated that there is a minimum altitude that that parachute is effective as a safety device,too.

IIRC, the Cirrus in this accident didn't have the TKS.

James Dean

 

[gismo]

I wonder if a different type of aircraft would have been more spin resistant. (Probably a rhetorical question.)

Any airplane that has collected so much ice it can't hold altitude with full power is by definition a "different airplane".

 

[gismo]

Looks like about 110% potential!! He should NOT have been there under any circumstances.

Not necessarily (although in hindsight you are correct). The FIP only shows the potential for ice, not the severity. The high potential could have been for light ice which shouldn't have been an issue. It seems likely that the biggest fault was lingering in the ice when it started to build and letting it get to the point where it stalled. Just descending to maintain airspeed would have been a better option since AFaIK they were over low flat terrain and had they dropped a few thousand feet they most likely would have exited the icing.

 

[Paul Allen]

IIRC, the Cirrus in this accident didn't have the TKS.

James Dean

I don't think any Cirrus is known icing. The weeping wing on a Cirrus is not certified for ice. I think Mooney has the only known icing single engine airplane.

 

[poadeleted20]

I don't think any Cirrus is known icing. The weeping wing on a Cirrus is not certified for ice. I think Mooney has the only known icing single engine airplane.

I think there was a booted version of the C-210 that was KI-certified.

 

[spiderweb]

I think there was a booted version of the C-210 that was KI-certified.

I am sure of that. Also, I believe the Mirage is KI certified.

 

[wsuffa]

I think there was a booted version of the C-210 that was KI-certified.

The Commander 115 is also certified KI with TKS.

 

[JMcMannamy]

I don't think any Cirrus is known icing. The weeping wing on a Cirrus is not certified for ice. I think Mooney has the only known icing single engine airplane.

Cirrus is definitely not certified for known icing, but some pilots don't seem to notice the placard above the switch.

 

[Paul Allen]

I think there was a booted version of the C-210 that was KI-certified.

I should have said current production single.