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EvoV98

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So I just started my training for Private Pilot, What headset should I get. I really like DCs but im straped for cash. I was thinking going wioth AirClassica HS-1A with gels and when I get farther in trining or career I could upgrade and use the HS-1A as passenger or back up set... any suggestions?
 
Flighcom 4DX or 4DLX makes a good economy Passive Headset, should cost under about $130 for the DLX a bit less for the 4DX.

They do have a good quality microphone which is why I recommend them for an inexpensive set. Biggest problem I see with inexpensive headsets is microphones that don't cancel the background noise making communication difficult.

Unlike the David Clarks which will probably last you 20 years or more, expect these to fail in 3-5 years. Biggest problem is lower quality wires and connectors that will eventually fail.

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL

reminds me, I need to go fix the connector on my flightcom portable intercom. but then this is only then 2nd failure in 15+ years, and it was the other connector that failed last time.

Brian
 
Protect your hearing. Don't cheap out on a headset with inadequate hearing protection.
 
Protect your hearing. Don't cheap out on a headset with inadequate hearing protection.

I keep seeing this. Do they make cheap headsets with inadequate noise suppression? Are the listed db ratings not accurate?
 
I have over 10K hours and have yet to see the need for ANR. I sorta like to hear the engine SE and be able to sync them ME.

To be fair, I can see the use and would probably buy ANR if I owned my own SE Piston plane.
 
I keep seeing this. Do they make cheap headsets with inadequate noise suppression? Are the listed db ratings not accurate?

(caveat - I'm not an acoustical engineer)

Yes (in my opinion)

I believe they are accurate
 
Pilot USA model 1161 have great reviews online and from a bunch of student pilots I know. They are $100 shipped on Amazon and will be a good passenger headset when for when you get your license and splurge on a much better one with ANR.

Once you get your license check out the LightSpeed Sierra's. They are amazing for their price ($600-$650). Their ANR technology is very good and they are super comfortable. They also have Bluetooth...
 
I bought my first headset on eBay and got a great deal. Still have the headset too.
 
Welcome to the forum! This question gets asked all the time. Search function is your friend. In the 11 years I have been flying I have had a David Clark, Sigtronic, and Lightspeed. The DC has outlasted all of them. Even had a friend slip on some ice and land on the DC popping an ear of it off. DC Customer Service put all new components on it, cleaned it, adjusted the mic, and sent it back to me all for the cost of shipping(never sent in a warranty card). My advise, save a few extra hundred bucks and buy something quality that will last you. My DC is the H10-13.4 S
 
Check eBay, Craig's List, etc. David Clarks are freakin' indestructible in my experience, last for decades with no particular great care.
 
Get a pair of DC's. I still use my dad's headset when he was a CFI back in the 80s
 
Get a pair of DC's. I still use my dad's headset when he was a CFI back in the 80s

+1 for DC ANRs. I have 700 hours on my pair, plus probably another 200 while using a very loud lawn tractor. The only problem I had is when the batteries in the battery pack (for the ANR) leaked. DC replaced the battery pack for free.

They got me hooked with that move. I'll never own another brand. :yes:
 
I have over 10K hours and have yet to see the need for ANR. I sorta like to hear the engine SE and be able to sync them ME.

That's the same argument guys were using 30 years ago against using headsets in general. Personally, I've never had problems doing either of these with any headset, ANR or not.
 
Get a pair of Clarity Alofts (500$) and you'll be happy the rest of your life.

Otherwise, get some eBay David Clarke H10-20 or H10-13.5's for ~ 175$ and you'll be happy until you get your Clarity Alofts.

Hmm maybe an opinion here.
I currently own Bose X, DC H10-13x, 3 DC H10-20, and I only wear Clarity Aloft.
 
Get a pair of Clarity Alofts (500$) and you'll be happy the rest of your life.

Otherwise, get some eBay David Clarke H10-20 or H10-13.5's for ~ 175$ and you'll be happy until you get your Clarity Alofts.

:yesnod::yesnod: :yes::yes:

Biggest issue I saw when flight instructing was students getting a headset just to save a few bucks. This is not something you want to cheap out on. If you get a good headset now you'll save money in the long run as you won't then have to buy a second one. My first headset was the standard DC however as the above poster mentioned, I wish I had just gotten Clarity Alofts then, nothing compares. Headsets are on your head for a prolonged period of time. You'll want to find something that is comfortable, and if you wear glasses you may want to take that into consideration as some are better than others for that. It's also your hearing at stake, once its gone you can never get it back without artificial means, take care of it now so you don't have to spend money fixing it later.
 
Plenty of good reasonably priced headsets out there , if the price is right,you won't loose a lot of money when you move up.
 
I bought my first headset on eBay and got a great deal. Still have the headset too.

:yeahthat:

I bought AVComm AC-200s off of eBay for $60. Like new in box. I've still got them 11 years later. They work fine. I've upgraded mine and now that are passenger headsets, but still in good shape.

John
 
Definitely look on eBay. There is a steady stream of good condition DCs.

I ended up buying a lower tier Sennheiser ANR for half the retail price. It was new in the box.

Just have your top bid in mind so you aren't tempted to get into a bidding war. More headsets pop up all the time.
 
Go into a physical shop and TRY ONE ON.

A great headset will do you no good if you can't wear it for an hour 'cause it hurts. Especially David Clamps.
 
Go into a physical shop and TRY ONE ON.

A great headset will do you no good if you can't wear it for an hour 'cause it hurts. Especially David Clamps.


That.

Personally I have a Lightspeed Zulu 1, had it for years and thousands of flight hours, very happy with it and very happy with Lightspeed.


Look on craigslist, eBay, etc. Tons of people buy all the swag and never finish their PPLs, then sell everything for a fraction of what they paid.

On that note, I would just use the flight schools loaners till you get your PPL


Definitely look on eBay. There is a steady stream of good condition DCs.

I ended up buying a lower tier Sennheiser ANR for half the retail price. It was new in the box.

Just have your top bid in mind so you aren't tempted to get into a bidding war. More headsets pop up all the time.

:yes:

I got a crap pair of DC 46s for my spare, got them for free as they were not usable, totally falling apart, however the electronics, ear cups and mic were just fine, I got a "comfort kit" with new upgraded ear seals, mic muff, head pad, metal parts, all in like $50 new, and now I have a super comfy DC that even looks new for 50 bucks.
 
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Can somebody smarter than me tell me why headsets are so expensive? -30db ear muffs(for mowing etc) are $20. Ear buds are $20. Maybe the $$ is all in the mic?
 
Can somebody smarter than me tell me why headsets are so expensive? -30db ear muffs(for mowing etc) are $20. Ear buds are $20. Maybe the $$ is all in the mic?

Easy. The core of the earth (hell) are where deals are. Now, you can't go there cause it's too hot. But the closer you get the better the savings. Flea markets and garage sales are like hell and therefore have great deals.

The further away you get the prices go up. Lunch in the Space Needle? Pricey. Base lodge at a ski resort is expensive until you go to the Vista Haus at the top and find stupid expensive.

A ticket to WALK up Mt Everest goes for around $60,000 each!


That's why airplane headsets are expensive...it's the increased distance from the bargain basement prices of the core of the earth.

Btw, this is why NASA spends soooooooo much.
 
Here is the thing, I am young guy with a family and not a lot of cash stashed since I havent really got any where in the world of professionals to make enough money, so this buy will be signifigant.

I was drawn to the DCs since I used them as a kid and they are everywhere and have heard of their customer service. But ASA look the same to me and cand take gels. so for the cheaper price are ASAs ok for students, taking into consiceration I most likely wont be in the plane for more than 4hrs at a time (thats pushing it). then when/if I become a pilot as a professional then buy a good pair for personal use. Seems logical but if there is another low cost option that im missing I would want to know. I definalty dont want to suffer and cheap out but....

Thanks for the input
 
Get a Bose X or Lightspeed Zulu used - you can find them for $300-$350 easily. Its only about 2 hours worth of flight time - well worth it for a nice headset. This is not a place to go cheap.
 
I bought a pair of DC's used off Ebay for.....@ $150-175, I cant remember exactly. Nice and work great. I just got QT Halo's for my birthday, so the DC's will be my pax headset now.
 
Can somebody smarter than me tell me why headsets are so expensive? -30db ear muffs(for mowing etc) are $20. Ear buds are $20. Maybe the $$ is all in the mic?


Aviation headset prices are based in their electronic components - up to a point, and down to a point. As far as electronic noise cancellation, it again, has to do with the type of components used.

Using us as an example, our Arcus ANR runs, on average, about $550. Now that price has nothing to do with the fact that its for a pilot. It has to do with several factors.
1) Everyone forgets that an aviation headset requires side tone (hear yourself). That requires a specific setup.
2) Your firearm/lawncare/home ear protection, ANR or otherwise doesn't need to integrate with an electret microphone system or an external radio transmitter.
3) We use american made hi-fi ported speakers.
4) We use an exclusive internal ANR system (very similar to LS and Bo's).
5) All 3 of us use advanced microphone systems.

There are a few more, but thats the main ones. So I said "up to a point". So a Bose, you would think, has some special Bose speakers. Nope, they use the same speaker company we do. They must have a fancy mic. Nope its the mic that Telex developed in the 90's. Youre paying for the name. Well and their headset design is very pleasing. That is worth some additional value.
The Lighspeeds have that weird mic and they say "magnesium". Must be really advanced... nope. They use a touch of magnesium in the paint on the aluminum ear pieces. The mic has a pretty cool cardioid disc though, but its cosmetic only and doesn't improve sound quality. However, they also have a beautiful headset design.
All of our ANR systems are almost identical, just delivered differently. The new adjustable ANR is not new, they're just giving you access to the adjustment screws basically.
DC has been using the same components forever and hasn't really advanced anything because, well, they don't have to. They have robust - albeit - antiquated components that are well built.

Having said all that, the electronics we all use are not cheap. In fact, they are advanced for their application. My margins on a headset are less than 25%, period. So saying we're "gouging pilots" is the biggest bunch of malarkey on the planet. Now the "$100 headset" that is always talked about is made from very low quality - chinese made - components knocked off and designed for very low time usage. Which means, they work, but not well, and not for long. There's a reason they're all over eBay and Craigslist.

Hopefully that answers some questions and keeps the propaganda posters to a minimum.


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Can somebody smarter than me tell me why headsets are so expensive? -30db ear muffs(for mowing etc) are $20. Ear buds are $20. Maybe the $$ is all in the mic?

Headsets are not expensive. Aviation headsets are expensive because pilots are made of money. Nothing else can justify a $1000 headset.

Simple enough?

Seriously, the headsets in the $150-$200 range are probably very adequate and you do not need ANR. If you flew enough to need ANR, you would be spending enough money on the airplane that you wouldn't be worried about the prices of headsets. Clamping pressure is something to be aware of, if you wear them for a long time period, some of them can give you a headache. My only concern on some models is durability, so treat them with a little bit of care and you'll be fine.
 
Aviation headset prices are based in their electronic components - up to a point, and down to a point. As far as electronic noise cancellation, it again, has to do with the type of components used.

Using us as an example, our Arcus ANR runs, on average, about $550. Now that price has nothing to do with the fact that its for a pilot. It has to do with several factors.
1) Everyone forgets that an aviation headset requires side tone (hear yourself). That requires a specific setup.
2) Your firearm/lawncare/home ear protection, ANR or otherwise doesn't need to integrate with an electret microphone system or an external radio transmitter.
3) We use american made hi-fi ported speakers.
4) We use an exclusive internal ANR system (very similar to LS and Bo's).
5) All 3 of us use advanced microphone systems.

There are a few more, but thats the main ones. So I said "up to a point". So a Bose, you would think, has some special Bose speakers. Nope, they use the same speaker company we do. They must have a fancy mic. Nope its the mic that Telex developed in the 90's. Youre paying for the name. Well and their headset design is very pleasing. That is worth some additional value.
The Lighspeeds have that weird mic and they say "magnesium". Must be really advanced... nope. They use a touch of magnesium in the paint on the aluminum ear pieces. The mic has a pretty cool cardioid disc though, but its cosmetic only and doesn't improve sound quality. However, they also have a beautiful headset design.
All of our ANR systems are almost identical, just delivered differently. The new adjustable ANR is not new, they're just giving you access to the adjustment screws basically.
DC has been using the same components forever and hasn't really advanced anything because, well, they don't have to. They have robust - albeit - antiquated components that are well built.

Having said all that, the electronics we all use are not cheap. In fact, they are advanced for their application. My margins on a headset are less than 25%, period. So saying we're "gouging pilots" is the biggest bunch of malarkey on the planet. Now the "$100 headset" that is always talked about is made from very low quality - chinese made - components knocked off and designed for very low time usage. Which means, they work, but not well, and not for long. There's a reason they're all over eBay and Craigslist.

Hopefully that answers some questions and keeps the propaganda posters to a minimum.


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What about insulation? Has that changed at all or different between manufacturers?

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Got a pair of DC's off of ebay for around $150. That was two years ago, and still going strong.
 
So I picked up a pair of ASA HS-1A for $65 with gels already on them, got a new mic muff, and got cloth covers. For that price I thought it was a great deal.

Is there anything that I am forgetting or dont know about that a noob should probably have?
 
Aviation headset prices are based in their electronic components - up to a point, and down to a point....

Thanks for providing this info, very helpful. This is good info coming from a builder of headsets. Do you have any plans to build the in-ear type of headsets in the future?
 
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