Stepping stones to a turboprop

TMetzinger said:
Ken, I'm sorry but what you said doesn't make any sense to me. Your statement "For whatever reason, the insurance companies don't like piston twins these days, and the rates and requirements reflect that.." implies that piston twin insurance would be more expensive than a single, followed by "...we found that the premium was LESS on a mid-60s Baron 55 (with a rookie MEL pilot) than that same pilot in a late-80s Malibu worth five times as much in hull value."

Want to try again? I can't figure out what your point is.
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Oops. The premium was less for the Malibu. Original post edited to correct.
 
Missa said:
Hey Troy, if you got that kind of money... how about owning a citibra based in Williamsport?!?!?:blowingkisses: :smilewinkgrin:
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Oh, I don't, but I dream big!! The hangar would definitely have a taildragger or two of some sort... probably a Sport Cub for low & slow morning flights, and something aerobatic and fast for ripping holes in the sky.
 
TangoWhiskey said:
Oh, I don't, but I dream big!! The hangar would definitely have a taildragger or two of some sort... probably a Sport Cub for low & slow morning flights, and something aerobatic and fast for ripping holes in the sky.
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This hanger work for you, Troy? (The high wing sticking into the picture on the right is an LSA for your low & slow needs.)
 

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Lance F said:
This hanger work for you, Troy? (The high wing sticking into the picture on the right is an LSA for your low & slow needs.)
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Too many jets!!! :-) But we can have a garage sale and we'll be close.

[was that just blasphemy, to say "too many jets"?]
 
Missa said:
Big round pistons... my guess is if you sould a couple of the jets you could get a nice Beach with round engines... :smilewinkgrin:
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and I would like that very much. Unfortunately in this economy the boss has found it tough to sell jets like everything else.
 
Lance F said:
For romance I think the pistons have to be in a radial arrangement.
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That's for the ultimate in romance, but if you're like me, I'll settle for my pistons being arranged in a horizontally opposed manner. Don't get me wrong, turbines have a major cool factor (and I hope to get some turbine time at some point) and I've thoroughly enjoyed the turbine planes I've had the opportunity to fly in. For me, there's just about piston planes that I love that turbines don't have. Really, it doesn't get any better than piston twins for me... unless it's a got 4 engines instead of two (B-17, anyone?). ;)
 
TMetzinger said:
Beech 18 or DC-3, please.
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Tim, you are a man after my own heart. I have about 45 minutes in a Beech 18. Just after liftoff to short final. :smile: I WANT a DC-3 Type, but don't have the cash lying around to pay for it.

Actually, if I were to own a twin with radials, for affordability of operation, I would want a Bamboo Bomber (Cessna T-50).

I missed the nostalgia by about 50 years, but I don't think I really want to go back there now.
 
The Beech 18 was my favorite act at OSH this year.

I've got a few hours of DC-3 Dual, and would get typed in it if it would count towards future jet types. But alas, it won't so I'm gonna go get my initial type rating in some small jet so I can later get an unrestricted type in a bigger jet.
 
Another local case is interesting regarding insurance company logic. A guy has CMEL-IR, 500TT with about 380 in a Baron. A couple years ago he was flying a leased A-36 Bo when a cylinder departed the engine and he deadsticked it into a field. Some damage to the airframe, but he walked away and the airplane was repaired. We all thought he did a hell of a job getting it on the ground so it could be flown again.

He decided to buy a 414, so we started shopping for insurance. The companies wanted a full 50 hours of dual & initial sim, same as for a guy with a new MEL. Turns out the insurance company didn't care how good a job he did handling the Bo emergency, or that it was a mechanical failure totally independent of his piloting skills. All they cared about was that he had some damage history on his insurance application, for which they docked him regarding his new policy.
 
wabower said:
Another local case is interesting regarding insurance company logic. A guy has CMEL-IR, 500TT with about 380 in a Baron. A couple years ago he was flying a leased A-36 Bo when a cylinder departed the engine and he deadsticked it into a field. Some damage to the airframe, but he walked away and the airplane was repaired. We all thought he did a hell of a job getting it on the ground so it could be flown again.

He decided to buy a 414, so we started shopping for insurance. The companies wanted a full 50 hours of dual & initial sim, same as for a guy with a new MEL. Turns out the insurance company didn't care how good a job he did handling the Bo emergency, or that it was a mechanical failure totally independent of his piloting skills. All they cared about was that he had some damage history on his insurance application, for which they docked him regarding his new policy.
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Now that's just insane.
 
Missa said:
The people makeing those decisions are generally not pilots and therefor have no apprecation for the facts beyond having an incident in the past with damage to an airplane.
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That doesn't make it any more sane. :)
 
I had something like that happen to me when I was moving up to my P-Baron. In the end, I found an agent that would talk directly to the underwriter: most agents don't or can't do that.

I found out years later when the agent was reminiscing, after going back and forth several times the underwriter just asked the agent; is this guy going to have an accident. The agent said no. reasonable policy issued <g>

I had tried several agencies before that whose name y'all would know and was told they just couldn't get me insured without a lot more time in the plane.

Best,

Dave
 
Dave Siciliano said:
I had tried several agencies before that whose name y'all would know and was told they just couldn't get me insured without a lot more time in the plane.
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I've heard of several people who've gotten this response, and so they've just flown without insurance for a year. Get a bunch of hours, call back, suddenly everyone's willing to insure them. Of course, then you have the risk associated with flying uninsured for a year.
 
Another plan is to fly right seat with someone and log PIC time when sole manipulator of the controls (after the flight). I found a CFI that needed a partner in a Baron. We agreed I'd buy in and be able to sell after XX hours. After 25, I was covered.

Best,

Dave
 
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